20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

b.g.

b.g.

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I have this same rec from the same doc with 6# instead of 4....I also have a non-profit with other members,,,,anyway i was curious as to what you thought about this???I am hearing that this rec will not hold water in court if something were to happen..I am getting mixed feedback regarding that particular 99 rec..From my understanding is that if you were to operate with just that rec alone that those amounts would be considered rediculous for 1 patient to have...
 
collective gardener

collective gardener

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b.g. said:
I have this same rec from the same doc with 6# instead of 4....I also have a non-profit with other members,,,,anyway i was curious as to what you thought about this???I am hearing that this rec will not hold water in court if something were to happen..I am getting mixed feedback regarding that particular 99 rec..From my understanding is that if you were to operate with just that rec alone that those amounts would be considered rediculous for 1 patient to have...
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Technically, you would have to prove in court why you need so much meds. The safe way is to have enough members to get your plant count using the standard 6/12 plant limit. So, if you have 48 plants in veg and 48 in bloom, you could get by with 12 members: 4 members veging 12 plants each, and 8 members blooming 6 plants each. This is the safest way to go about it. The big rec just gives you that much more ammo.

We have more than enough members for our grow. I still like to keep it under 99 plants to be ultra safe.
 
collective gardener

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The first RDWC system is complete. I didn't have the camera today to take pics. I made a big change, and added a top feed component. The water is fed in via a top feed stream, and drains back to the res via a 3/4" hose with tee's to the buckets. It's now a Top Feed Recurculating Deep Water Culture system, or: TFRDWC. LOL. I figure the top fed water cascading through the hydrotons in the basket bucket lid will only add more O2 to the water. I am keeping the water level an inch below the bottom of the basket. This way, if the air pump should fail, the suspended roots will still have access to air. I also placed a second pump in the res, feeding a horizontal PVC pipe 2" above the water line with a dozen small holes facing down, blasting the surface of the water with jets of high pressure water. This adds major air to the res water. And, of course, there's an air stone in each bucket. We're stoked with the design. So much so, that we purchased an 8 light T-5 just to light up these 8 buckets. The plants will then go onto the table, then the floor. Each station has slightly more spacing between the buckets.

I really want the bloom room buckets to be movable, but it's looking less and less likely. Hopefully, with some trial and error on veg time and training, we can make sure the finished canopy size evenly fills out the area Helper D can always Bush Whack (use Bushmaster) any plants that look to be getting to tall. Wew're figuring 8 plants for every pair of 1000 watt HPS's in the bloom room. This would be slightly more than 2 sq ft per plant. This is much less space than our current plants are using. When we were getting started we had just a few plants, so we wanted them BIG. Now, it's time to carefully calculate finished size. I've always had better yield with more smaller plants, anyways. We'll be throwing away quite a few plants in veg to make sure that when room opens up in bloom, the new DWC plants have a place to go. The transition is going to be a bit of a cluster fuck. But, with a perpetual harvest, as long as the bloom room is always full, you're doing the right thing.
 
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TheLastWood

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I learn so much from reading your posts cg. The top feed is a great idea, by the way did you ever order any of those farm kits?
 
collective gardener

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TheLastWood said:
I learn so much from reading your posts cg. The top feed is a great idea, by the way did you ever order any of those farm kits?
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We just kind of made our own. Since I needed a pump for the R in the RDWC system, I just fed the water in the top and out the bottom. I used 3/4" tube for the drainage back to res, and next time I'll use 1". The buckets further away from the res tend to stay about 1" fuller than the buckets near the res. This is why Under Current uses such big pipe. I prefer our settup because the top feed adds some security in case the air pump fails. We can also place barely rooted clones in it and aim the top feed right st the base. Even if the roots are well above the water line, the top feed assures water will hit the roots at all time.

I'm thinking of using 7 gallon buckets for the bloom room. The mass of roots in Godzilla 5 weeks into bloom displaces about 2 gallons of water. The air stone is now a part of the root mass.
 
HIGHunderAcanopy

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Alright, so I have been following this thread since the beginning religiously. I think what your doing is great, and in taking care of my partners similar grow (you can call me helper x) I know the troubles and tribulations with mites. What a pain in the ass right? Add thrips into the equation and...well you can imagine my mindset. As with bushmaster, I recently tried using it on a "mystery" strain, which I honestly have no idea about besides it's definitely some kind of kush; and to my amazement it did NOTHING. I upped the quantity from 2 ml per gallon to 4 ml per gallon and it didn't stop vertical growth at all!! I was pissed, but it kind of tickled my fancey to see the ladies take anything I gave to them. Anyways, this post ended up being a lot longer than I had anticipated, but cheers to you my friend. I love what you're doing, and I commend you. I know the work it takes, but I like to think about it as a labor of love. I'll be following the rest of your journey from the shadows... :)
 
xxEMOxx

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legallyflying said:
legit for sure collective. I like your style. Any reason you didn't decide to go hydro? I always thought hydro would be easier in a really large scale.

Anywho, i thought of a name for your dank purple monster plants.."barney". Great,now i'm going to have that damn i love you, you love me song in my head.
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i love you, you love me, we are friends like friends should be! With a hug and a kiss and some love from me to you; won't you say you love me too?!
 
SupaM

SupaM

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This is an awesome thread! Thanks for sharing your experiences, as well as, knowledge.
I've been around, I just wanted to finish reading before posting..lol.
Seriously, All the Best going forward!
 
collective gardener

collective gardener

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HIGHunderAcanopy said:
Alright, so I have been following this thread since the beginning religiously. I think what your doing is great, and in taking care of my partners similar grow (you can call me helper x) I know the troubles and tribulations with mites. What a pain in the ass right? Add thrips into the equation and...well you can imagine my mindset. As with bushmaster, I recently tried using it on a "mystery" strain, which I honestly have no idea about besides it's definitely some kind of kush; and to my amazement it did NOTHING. I upped the quantity from 2 ml per gallon to 4 ml per gallon and it didn't stop vertical growth at all!! I was pissed, but it kind of tickled my fancey to see the ladies take anything I gave to them. Anyways, this post ended up being a lot longer than I had anticipated, but cheers to you my friend. I love what you're doing, and I commend you. I know the work it takes, but I like to think about it as a labor of love. I'll be following the rest of your journey from the shadows... :)
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Helper D uses the Bush Master as a foilar feed, per the instructions. Since we grow in pure coco, the label advises against applying to the roots. Helper D sprays the leaves and feeds that day with pure water. Then 3 days later he does it again. Hope that helps.
 
collective gardener

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Had our first complaint from a member today. He seriously says the meds are "just too strong"...and wondered if we had something "not so powerful". I took it for a huge compliment, but he was serious. I layed some of the Chgem Dog on him that slipped into a Bubba batch. I haven't tried it, but Helper D says it's "less head change" than the Bubba. Hopefully he'll like it. I've been thinking of growing a couple weaker, but higher yielding plants, anyway. Looks like we'll do that for sure. Blue Dream is the top contender. We're holding off on the Dr Atomic beans until we see what the Laughgani does in the 10 gallon pots. The sample Laughgani was dry enough to smoke yesterday and we sampled. It was everything as promised. Even without the full cure, yet, it smells and tastes wonderful. The quality of the high is the best attribute: totally relaxing, great pain relief, zero anxiety, and touches down on a goose down pillow. The yield on an 18" plant in a 5 gallon pot was 2.5 ozs...and that was harvested early. We have 5 more at about 7 weeks that Helper D is trying some Purple Max and Gravity on. He's using Gravity on one, Purple Max on another, both on one, and nothing on the other 2.

We have several Laughganis in various blooming stages in 10 gallon pots. If the yield is right, and letting them go 70 days does what Commercial J says it does, we won't be bringing in new strains for a while. I think I mentioned before that a dispensary Commercial J works with wants all of our Laughgani overage...no consignment BS. Commercial J turned them onto the Laughgani, but stopped growing it because of all the extra work involved with this strain: 3 massive leaf removal events during the course of its grow and way too much time to trim. Also, our 1000 watt lights do a much better job on this ultra bushy strain than Commercial J's 600's....even though he's got almost 50 of them now! The 600's just don't have the penetration needed to grow either large plants or extremely bushy plants over about 12". Even with the 1000's, we have to be diligent on the leaf thinning or the middle of the plant becomes a mass of twisted spindly crap. This is one chore I do myself. Helper D is way too busy with the daily activities to be spending an hour/plant carefully removing select leaves. I basically trim it so that you can see the individual branches, rather than just a big round bush. This seems to let enough light in to maintain healthy developement deep in the plant. It needs to be done about every 2 weeks in veg. Then on week 3 of bloom, basically all of the fan leaves go. I know I've mentioned this before, but it makes a couple good points: 1. growing pot can be alot more work than just watering. 2. on some strains aggressive leaf removal is not only beneficial, but totally necessary.
 
Sr. Verde

Sr. Verde

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Collective.... What do you think of some good Maui Wowie?

It's one of my favorite "not too over-powering" strains. Great for just relaxing, makes the body high feels like laying out on the beach in the perfect amount of sun...


You can vape more than a few volcano bags and the high never gets anxious.

I don't get anxious with bud, but I can understand how some intense highs can lead to such things for people.
 
b.g.

b.g.

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collective gardener said:
Had our first complaint from a member today. He seriously says the meds are "just too strong"...and wondered if we had something "not so powerful". I took it for a huge compliment, but he was serious. I layed some of the Chgem Dog on him that slipped into a Bubba batch. I haven't tried it, but Helper D says it's "less head change" than the Bubba. Hopefully he'll like it. I've been thinking of growing a couple weaker, but higher yielding plants, anyway. Looks like we'll do that for sure. Blue Dream is the top contender. We're holding off on the Dr Atomic beans until we see what the Laughgani does in the 10 gallon pots. The sample Laughgani was dry enough to smoke yesterday and we sampled. It was everything as promised. Even without the full cure, yet, it smells and tastes wonderful. The quality of the high is the best attribute: totally relaxing, great pain relief, zero anxiety, and touches down on a goose down pillow. The yield on an 18" plant in a 5 gallon pot was 2.5 ozs...and that was harvested early. We have 5 more at about 7 weeks that Helper D is trying some Purple Max and Gravity on. He's using Gravity on one, Purple Max on another, both on one, and nothing on the other 2.

We have several Laughganis in various blooming stages in 10 gallon pots. If the yield is right, and letting them go 70 days does what Commercial J says it does, we won't be bringing in new strains for a while. I think I mentioned before that a dispensary Commercial J works with wants all of our Laughgani overage...no consignment BS. Commercial J turned them onto the Laughgani, but stopped growing it because of all the extra work involved with this strain: 3 massive leaf removal events during the course of its grow and way too much time to trim. Also, our 1000 watt lights do a much better job on this ultra bushy strain than Commercial J's 600's....even though he's got almost 50 of them now! The 600's just don't have the penetration needed to grow either large plants or extremely bushy plants over about 12". Even with the 1000's, we have to be diligent on the leaf thinning or the middle of the plant becomes a mass of twisted spindly crap. This is one chore I do myself. Helper D is way too busy with the daily activities to be spending an hour/plant carefully removing select leaves. I basically trim it so that you can see the individual branches, rather than just a big round bush. This seems to let enough light in to maintain healthy developement deep in the plant. It needs to be done about every 2 weeks in veg. Then on week 3 of bloom, basically all of the fan leaves go. I know I've mentioned this before, but it makes a couple good points: 1. growing pot can be alot more work than just watering. 2. on some strains aggressive leaf removal is not only beneficial, but totally necessary.
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R u thinning out the bubbas big time as well....What is the best yield u have been seeing with those giant bubbas....Im about to introduce the predetors this week,,any updates with the outcome of those things??
 
collective gardener

collective gardener

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Sr. Verde said:
Collective.... What do you think of some good Maui Wowie?

It's one of my favorite "not too over-powering" strains. Great for just relaxing, makes the body high feels like laying out on the beach in the perfect amount of sun...


You can vape more than a few volcano bags and the high never gets anxious.

I don't get anxious with bud, but I can understand how some intense highs can lead to such things for people.
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Never tried the Wowie. How's the yield? If we're going to grow a "less powerful" plant or 2, it might as well be a good yielder, eh?
 
collective gardener

collective gardener

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b.g. said:
R u thinning out the bubbas big time as well....What is the best yield u have been seeing with those giant bubbas....Im about to introduce the predetors this week,,any updates with the outcome of those things??
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Bout 12 ozs was the best so far. However, 2 of it was on the small side. Not larf, but just a little small. We'll be growing the plants a little smaller in the future, concentrating on getting 100% top grade buds from each plant.

On the Bubbas, we only thin the leaves week 3 of bloom. We leave most of the outside leaves alone, just thinning the inside large leaves to allow light in to the center of the plant. At the same time, we remove all of the small lower growth.

I have mixed feelings on these predators. Maybe it would be way worse without them, but I'm spraying in the veg room with Azamax and Neem. If we don't see a real mite reduction in the bloom room within a week, my previous enthusiasm for the predators is going to start fading.
 
Wolverine97

Wolverine97

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collective gardener said:
Bout 12 ozs was the best so far. However, 2 of it was on the small side. Not larf, but just a little small. We'll be growing the plants a little smaller in the future, concentrating on getting 100% top grade buds from each plant.

On the Bubbas, we only thin the leaves week 3 of bloom. We leave most of the outside leaves alone, just thinning the inside large leaves to allow light in to the center of the plant. At the same time, we remove all of the small lower growth.

I have mixed feelings on these predators. Maybe it would be way worse without them, but I'm spraying in the veg room with Azamax and Neem. If we don't see a real mite reduction in the bloom room within a week, my previous enthusiasm for the predators is going to start fading.
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You won't need the neem, Azamax is just the concentrated goodness from the neem plant. Just the active stuff that you're after...
 
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