20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

hellraizer30 said:

Hey cg when you start finale in week 5 for how low do yo add it?

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Just a few days. Basically, I keep hitting the plant till rapid pistil growth and heavy water intake starts up again...then I stop dosing with final. On average this is 3 days...3 doses. If the plants are only getting watered every other day, I use the max dose of Final...if they are watered every day I use max/2. Just keep in mind, a single dose of that shit will show results.

To Cali Final users: A little bird tells me several Yellow Bottle products will soon be unavailable in California.

Thanks cg and that sucks for all you cali user

Cali's awesome, besides for all these regulations. They keep on renaming or puttin up and taking down new products every couple of months it seems like..

CG, Which types of Yellow Bottles are we talking about ? The bottles containing Tricontonal ? Thanks for the heads up. Also have you ever thought about using
"Grow Biotic" organic nutrients from the guys in Santa Barbara. They sell it at stop in grow. I've read the labels and its pretty potent stuff for being organic It kicks the shit out of a lot of these name brand canna specific nutrients. Of course I would mix Grow Biotic in with a few synthetics but hey, i want to get that weight !

collective gardener said:

Just a few days. Basically, I keep hitting the plant till rapid pistil growth and heavy water intake starts up again...then I stop dosing with final. On average this is 3 days...3 doses. If the plants are only getting watered every other day, I use the max dose of Final...if they are watered every day I use max/2. Just keep in mind, a single dose of that shit will show results.

To Cali Final users: A little bird tells me several Yellow Bottle products will soon be unavailable in California.

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Hey Cg, have you started on the floranova tests? i see them in your pics, just havent read your thoughts on it. Are you still using yellow bottle roots? i'm choppin in a few days i'll let you know how the floranova did.

I've searched everywhere and can't find a similar image,
CG, can you identify bugs that move as tiny brown slivers, appearing as dirt,
and scatter evenly throughout the plant, but no webs?

^^sounds like thrips^^

yep it does sound like thrips

Thank god they didn't make it to my cannabis,
Caught those fuckers all OVER my Tree Philodendron, and a Crown of Thorns.

Poor Philodendron got hacked to a stump and booted to the cold Northwest Winter Outdoors.
Gonna search thrips, the Philo' leaves were so damn thick I couldn't see regular Thrips damage.
That got way out of hand.

:Badass, thrips they were.
Thanks for the ID.

Was about to make a Habanero Spray if I see them make a recovery in the future,
This would work, yes?

Thrip are easy to kill mighty wash is death to them

Well I have three fat Habanero's in my fridge, and I'd love to not only save myself
an expensive store-trip, but also handle it without Product.
Just wondering if the pepper spray would work.

Although I'm quite positive nothing made it near my indoor garden (crossing fingers)

Spinosad will actually fuck up thrips. As with all pests, I would hit them3 times with 3 different methods. Mighty wash, Avid, Spinosad.

fml that means I have thripes too. I found a few plants with mites and one of them was so bad the pistols are turning brown. I thought I was on it, little bastards snuck right by me. I sprayed mighty wash, all I had at the house. My buddy said to do 2 more times 3 days apart. I also have this safer3 in 1 stuff, should I use that as well? I am day 29 now, I was thinking of going and grabbing some azamax, that seems to handle it for me everytime but I don't know if i should stay away this far in? I want to get the problem handled best way possible. I'm currently not running an AC cause I have a wall unit and trying to stay sealed. Room temp is 83ish when lights on depending on how cold it is outside. Not too bad for four 1ks getting cooled by an 8in fan, but I'm thinking the temps may be why I'm getting bugs so bad? Maybe one or two applications of floramite or azamax would keep me clear the next 30 days. Rambling sorry, any opinions would be great

collective gardener said:

Spinosad will actually fuck up thrips. As with all pests, I would hit them3 times with 3 different methods. Mighty wash, Avid, Spinosad.

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Yes it will. I'm actually chiming in here to admit a mistake... earlier in this thread I encouraged you to use spinosad for you root aphid problem. I had my wires all crossed, I had used the spinosad on thrips, not the aphids. It's been bugging me, so I had to fess up.

mellokitty said:

i'm glad you got to meet simon, it's rather a privilege knowing him (and his brain); i figure share the wealth, right? since he was in your neck of the woods. i'm loving how that worked out:
"hey do you know anybody else that might be willing to beta-test this line?"
"well i can think of *one* person off the top of my head who's running nute experiments and has a keen interest in organics, but a) i've never met him and b) he's in cali...."
"i'm going to cali soon, hook us up!"
.... and the rest is recent history.

he's an intense fellow, isn't he cg? i always make sure i have a notebook when i meet up with him.
(and yes, i DO already have my grubby paws on the nute line... i was trying to be all enigmatic aboot it in my journal.... way to let the cat out of the bag )

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WHATS THIS HOOO HUMMM I HEAR?? i like experiments =)

Spring and heat are coming. Anybody doing any research and have a recommendation as where to buy a 2 ton mini split AC unit?

Collective Gardener;

Have you ever Bloomed under an EYE Hortilux Blue MH?
Or what bulb have you had the best success with?

I think you mentioned some sort of HPS with a Blue Addition?


& Would it be possible to get a 400w Phantom Ballast, dim it to 250w, and use it with a 250w Bulb?

koolshades said:

Spring and heat are coming. Anybody doing any research and have a recommendation as where to buy a 2 ton mini split AC unit?

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I have been doing a lot of research lately, my portable AC finally failed, and my room temps are now getting into the low 90s with CO2. I am running 5k air cooled and would like to work towards bare bulbs so I was looking at 2 ton AC as well. It seems the only way to go is mini-split unless you can get a central air system, that may work as well. Minisplitwarehouse.com seems to have some good deal, and they advertise in growing mags so I know they support medical growers. The problem I have run into is that I am in a rental and up here in the Pacific NW external AC units are almost unheard of. I am not to afraid of law enforcement since I am sticking to my numbers and at worse might face scrutiny for my breaker panel, however, my property management would probably give me the boot if they found out. I was wondering if anyone has tried putting the condenser unit in a crawl space? I was thinking about doing that and then running the air off my lights into that space to keep the air recirculating. The CFMs on one of the outdoor units are huge I think in the ball park of 3000 cfm so I am not sure if the unit would overheat in a 3-4' crawl space? Does anyone have any experience disguising outdoor units?

I'm not a big fan of hps bulbs. Kinda the "brute force" method as opposed to "the right tool for the job" method. Hps put out intense amounts of light, very little in the correct spectrum. Lumens, watts per square foot, footcandles, are all "baseline guides" to knowing how much light your puting out. I am after the PAR. Photosynthetically Active Radiation, the amount of light that triggers growth............. its a highly debated topic, I definately don't take sides with the Led loonies. But spectrum is everything. If you have the right spectrum and the power of an HID, you see the results. This is why I run CMH. They only go up to 400w tho, if I were running 1k watts, I would go with a 4-4500k MH or some kind of MH that has a bit more of the red spectrum......... or do what cg says and do hps mh hps mh. I like running the same bulbs tho. The blue spectrum in flower does wonders for resin production too.

TheLastWood said:

I'm not a big fan of hps bulbs. Kinda the "brute force" method as opposed to "the right tool for the job" method. Hps put out intense amounts of light, very little in the correct spectrum. Lumens, watts per square foot, footcandles, are all "baseline guides" to knowing how much light your puting out. I am after the PAR. Photosynthetically Active Radiation, the amount of light that triggers growth............. its a highly debated topic, I definately don't take sides with the Led loonies. But spectrum is everything. If you have the right spectrum and the power of an HID, you see the results. This is why I run CMH. They only go up to 400w tho, if I were running 1k watts, I would go with a 4-4500k MH or some kind of MH that has a bit more of the red spectrum......... or do what cg says and do hps mh hps mh. I like running the same bulbs tho. The blue spectrum in flower does wonders for resin production too.

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Honestly, I've been wanting to go CMH forever, but when I compared the true (Not the advertised) color spectrum
of the CMH bulb, vs the EYE Hortilux Blue, both 250w, I saw a better wave of blues & reds, with the EYE MH.

Also more lumens. & Easy to pick up local.

I've been looking at PAR T5's, and the ONLY thing that stopped me was the price of a full lineup of PAR bulbs when it comes time to replace them.

I can replace the MH for about 100, but an 8 bulb PAR set would run me 150+.

I don't like HPS at all really.. I'd much rather use the EYE MH, but CG does mention some HPS with a ton of Blue in it.