• Here is a link to the full explanation: https://rollitup.org/t/welcome-back-did-you-try-turning-it-off-and-on-again.1104810/

$200 a Barrel not far off

ozstone

ozstone

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ccodiane said:
There are no "alternative" sources of energy which can come even close to replacing oil, not yet. Even when one becomes feasible, which seems a ways off at best, it is going to take a hundred years, or more, to transition to this "new" form of energy. Until then, quit complaining. Oil is a wonderful, renewable, energy source. "Gods gift", if you will. Investing in "clean" technologies for oil, and arguing for it, would be a better waste of breath.
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I have to say I disagree, If the Modernized countries would lead the way with more usage of already available alternate energy sources by even 10% this would lead to a dramatic reduction in the dependency on oil as a primary energy source, Its not all about cars, Electricity can be sourced from a whole range of alternate energy suites, of course its hard to see oil being eradicated 100%.
It is a proven technology with Bio Diesel, Ethanol, Hydrogen cells, Battery Powered cars, if the same amount of dollars were to be invested in this technology as is being spent onan Ongoing war for oil you would see a massive difference, its just that the powers that be have too many vested oil interests in this war.
 
jimmyspaz

jimmyspaz

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Biodiesel. ethanol,hybrids,we have the technology, let's use it. I know that this would not solve all the world's problems but it all helps. Peace.
 
shamegame

shamegame

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You have pointed out the primary reason why oil prices are rising, The U.S. dollar is becoming worthless very quickly. But the reason why this is affecting oil prices globaly is that oil (for the most part ) can only be purchased with U.S. dollars. This is the only reason China keeps a huge dollar reserve ( that if they sold off would completely ruin the U.S. economy ) All countries need to maintain a reserve of U.S. dollars to buy oil.

As a matter of fact, the U.S.'s strategic development of this dollars for oil system has been the only reason why the dollar has been worth anything for a long time. Saudi Arabia has the world's largest oil reserve . They set the prices for oil because they undercut everyone else. They only accept dollars for their oil per their agreement with the U.S.

This sets the world market. Sometimes countries do attempt to sell oil for other currencies ( euro, etc. ) those countries are quickly attacked by the U.S. The first time we attacked Iraq in the 90's, Iraq was selling oil for non U.S. currency. We attacked them ( Of course they did invade Kuwait.. but still ) And again in the 21rst century we are back in Iraq. And guess what Sadam was doing right before we went in there- he was selling oil for euros.
 
ccodiane

ccodiane

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Total BS. Not one other source of energy is compatible with all the uses of oil. Solar technology is at least 10 times more expensive. Wind technology produces negligible energy. All the bio-fuels are trying to mimic the combustion properties of oil, but don't work nearly as good and are much more expensive. Nuclear would be great to warm and cool our homes, run our light, but can it power an airplane? What could? Oil is the fuel that powers this planet. And, who profits most from oil? Government. It is always "big oils" fault when oil prices rise, but I have yet to see a state or the federal government say, "We'll reduce our exorbitant taxes on oil to help the people." The only way oil dependence can be "broken", is if we all agree to reduce our standard of living, like back 100 years. Horse shit 2 feet high in the streets, baby. Thats progress.
 
ozstone

ozstone

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shamegame said:
You have pointed out the primary reason why oil prices are rising, The U.S. dollar is becoming worthless very quickly. But the reason why this is affecting oil prices globaly is that oil (for the most part ) can only be purchased with U.S. dollars. This is the only reason China keeps a huge dollar reserve ( that if they sold off would completely ruin the U.S. economy ) All countries need to maintain a reserve of U.S. dollars to buy oil.

As a matter of fact, the U.S.'s strategic development of this dollars for oil system has been the only reason why the dollar has been worth anything for a long time. Saudi Arabia has the world's largest oil reserve . They set the prices for oil because they undercut everyone else. They only accept dollars for their oil per their agreement with the U.S.

This sets the world market. Sometimes countries do attempt to sell oil for other currencies ( euro, etc. ) those countries are quickly attacked by the U.S. The first time we attacked Iraq in the 90's, Iraq was selling oil for non U.S. currency. We attacked them ( Of course they did invade Kuwait.. but still ) And again in the 21rst century we are back in Iraq. And guess what Sadam was doing right before we went in there- he was selling oil for euros.
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Exactly my point Shame Game , it is a supply and demand market so cut Down the demand and prices will fall, its no different to any other commodity well may be it is, it just has a hell of a lot less transparency.
 
ozstone

ozstone

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ccodiane said:
Total BS. Not one other source of energy is compatible with all the uses of oil. Solar technology is at least 10 times more expensive. Wind technology produces negligible energy. All the bio-fuels are trying to mimic the combustion properties of oil, but don't work nearly as good and are much more expensive. Nuclear would be great to warm and cool our homes, run our light, but can it power an airplane? What could? Oil is the fuel that powers this planet. And, who profits most from oil? Government. It is always "big oils" fault when oil prices rise, but I have yet to see a state or the federal government say, "We'll reduce our exorbitant taxes on oil to help the people." The only way oil dependence can be "broken", is if we all agree to reduce our standard of living, like back 100 years. Horse shit 2 feet high in the streets, baby. Thats progress.
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Agreed taxes on oil account for a large proponent of the price, but you missed my point when I said that if the money that it costs to wage a 5 year and counting losing battle were spent on developing, implementing and promoting alternate energy sources as a way of limiting the overall reliance on oil.
As far as more supply and less demand in the USA thats interesting, nearly every developed country and developing country has seen steady increases in demand from 1995 - present and the USA ranks the number 1 as far as production v demand losers goes losing nearly 2.95 million barrels a day opposed to what it produces, it is the single largest consumer of oil in the world, taking about 25% of the current supply, hardly sounds sustainable
 
ccodiane

ccodiane

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shamegame said:
You have pointed out the primary reason why oil prices are rising, The U.S. dollar is becoming worthless very quickly. But the reason why this is affecting oil prices globaly is that oil (for the most part ) can only be purchased with U.S. dollars. This is the only reason China keeps a huge dollar reserve ( that if they sold off would completely ruin the U.S. economy ) All countries need to maintain a reserve of U.S. dollars to buy oil.

As a matter of fact, the U.S.'s strategic development of this dollars for oil system has been the only reason why the dollar has been worth anything for a long time. Saudi Arabia has the world's largest oil reserve . They set the prices for oil because they undercut everyone else. They only accept dollars for their oil per their agreement with the U.S.

This sets the world market. Sometimes countries do attempt to sell oil for other currencies ( euro, etc. ) those countries are quickly attacked by the U.S. The first time we attacked Iraq in the 90's, Iraq was selling oil for non U.S. currency. We attacked them ( Of course they did invade Kuwait.. but still ) And again in the 21rst century we are back in Iraq. And guess what Sadam was doing right before we went in there- he was selling oil for euros.
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A French company meets with a Japanese company, in Germany, and they both speak English.........Well, then I guess I'm left to assume..........There is a Bush behind every boardroom door, enforcing this English speaking mandate?
 
shamegame

shamegame

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ccodiane said:
A French company meets with a Japanese company, in Germany, and they both speak English.........Well, then I guess I'm left to assume..........There is a Bush behind every boardroom door, enforcing this English speaking mandate?
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No idea where you got that from about the English. I was talking about currency.
 
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stonegrove

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ccodiane said:
A French company meets with a Japanese company, in Germany, and they both speak English.........Well, then I guess I'm left to assume..........There is a Bush behind every boardroom door, enforcing this English speaking mandate?
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English is 'The buisness language' my teacher was telling me, in aerospace EVERY report on an Aircraft has to be written up in english regardless of what country they are in.
 
medicineman

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Seems like all those commuters may have to move back to the inner cities and revamp the slums, kick out all the poor people, and relegate them to the Burbs. That means the price of my home ought to go through the roof and I can move even further out, Oregon, Idaho, Eastern Washington, who knows.
 
Chrisuperfly

Chrisuperfly

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medicineman said:
Seems like all those commuters may have to move back to the inner cities and revamp the slums, kick out all the poor people, and relegate them to the Burbs. That means the price of my home ought to go through the roof and I can move even further out, Oregon, Idaho, Eastern Washington, who knows.
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In One Heated Dispute, Someone Set a Fire - washingtonpost.com

You might say its already happening whether the price of oil has anything to do with it I do not know. I am sure its a contributing factor as more of the upper class people moved out to Northern Virginia many are moving back ot avoid the commute which has made a lot of slum lords see the dollar signs in that. Which has led to the above incidences taking place. Interesting article I read this yesterday morning.

The point of the article, the full version in hte paper, is that Washingotn D.C. has very strict and tough Tenant Rights Laws, which are good for the renter and not so good for the landlord. So in order to get these tenants out they are not prividing them with proper maintenance, pest control, nad in some cases water, electricity, etc.

Nearly three decades ago, city leaders created a law that gave tenants extraordinary power: the right to vote on whether property owners could convert rental buildings into condominiums. THe law also required owners to pay the city a fee on the sale of new condo's, which would help displaced renters with relocation costs. There is a loophole though, if hte building is vacant the law doesnt apply. So they firebomb and choke them out.
 
medicineman

medicineman

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Nothing that drastic here in Vegas as the longest commute is about 10 miles unless you live in Henderson or Boulder city and work in vegas, although there are those that moved to Pahrump (62 miles from Vegas one way) when Gas was about 1.00 a gallon. I used to work with some of those guys that were bitching about the price of gas at 1.29 a gallon in their 10-15 MPG trucks, that equates to about 30-35 bucks a day now for gas, about 25% of a days pay. That's damn near a house payment, plus an hour at least each way. There are a lot of them in pahrump, they've made the road into a 4 lane and it is still congested. I'll bet 10-25 thousand commuters drive that every day. I'll bet they're all Bush fans, eh.
 
ccodiane

ccodiane

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shamegame said:
No idea where you got that from about the English. I was talking about currency.
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The dollar is a standard fixture of the business world, just as English. To make inferences suggesting that this is by our design, is naive. Usually, all other currency is compared to the dollar when using conversion charts.
 
shamegame

shamegame

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ccodiane said:
The dollar is a standard fixture of the business world, just as English. To make inferences suggesting that this is by our design, is naive. Usually, all other currency is compared to the dollar when using conversion charts.
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Name another market where U.S. dollars are REQUIRED to make purchases between 2 non-American countries...I don't seem to have any others coming to mind.
 
overfiend

overfiend

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what about methane gas? this shit is made from rotting decomposing garbage that we throw away everyday. now we fill landfills with trash and the methane seeps into the ground ruining the ground and surrounding water areas. why the hell cant they cap off the land fill wih a "plastic liner" underneath and drain off the methane for use in vehicles.
trash will never go away we make it everyday.

i think by getting alternate fuel sorces on the market and in heavy use would be good maybe it would GIVE OIL COMPANIES A LITTLE COMPETITION right now they are comfortable and can charge whatever they want but put a nail in their monopoly and they cant charge whatever they want. people will go to the competition.

just like any other business


who owns the oil i thought monopoly was illegal
 
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