2000w Purple Kush 106 Plant Ebb and Flow SOG
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Grownganic
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Excellent stuff man just read both of your journals and am amazed! Subscribed! I do have one suggestion, lets see some lowered temps at nite to really see some of that piddy purple!
rbahadosingh
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great to have you aboard.
fatman7574
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With the air conditioner sitting entirely within the tent and not in a window it is just like a dehumidifier. While it will blow cool air out of the front it wil then blow all the heat it exracted from that air out the back (minus the small amount of heat contained in the water). With the air conditioner sitting entirely inside the tents it is like a dehumidifier in that there is no real heat gained or heat loss except through the water. It has an efficiency of about .97. Meaning it will add about maybe 18 watts of heat enegy in removing the water from the air. That is all the dehumifier will add for a same Hp rating. It might be lesss efficient and laeve more heat, but surely not much more. And it will cost twice as much for a dem umidifier of the same capacity of the little air conditioner. An airconditioner is like an airpump in that it can have an efficiency of over one if real efficient. That means an efficiency of 1 removes the same an mount of thermal energy as is in the electricity it takes to run the unit. Ie if it use 600 watts of electricity it removes 600 watts of heat energy if it has an efficiency rating of 1. It is able to do that because of the use of a phase change, by using compressed freon. A small air conditioner like a $98 Sears airconditioner has an efficiency slightly below 1. Larger ones have efficiencies above 1.
A small window air conditioner is no larger than its equivalent capacity dehumifier. One will quaite easily fit under your trays while sitting it atop a set of concrete blocks or some like thing so you can collect the water easily. A 1/4HP air conditioner and a 1/4 Hp demumifier have the same water removal capacity and use the same size compressor. You now likely have a 1/10 to 1/8 Hp dehumidifier. A 1/4 Hp airconditioner is likely smaller than two 1/8 Hp dehumidifiers.
Barron
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Great thread! I read your last grow journal and it made me ditch my Waterfarms. I'm in the process of building a 3x3 Ebb & Flow and will put it in my Growlab120. How many mothers would I need to have to take 60 clones? Also how do you like your Sentinel? Are they worth it? Subscribed!
rbahadosingh
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thanks. great to have you aboard. i would say you need between 5 and 6 mothers to take 60 clones. i get about 12-15 cuttings off each mother every time i take cuttings.
and i love the sentinel. they are more than worth it. it makes my job alot easier.
rbahadosingh
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well the ladies are doing well. i think i switched them a little too early. i feel like they could have vegged for a few more days. but oh well whats done is done. i dont think they will finish as tall as the did last time but they should still turn out well. here are some pictures i took last night right before the light went off. i also took the pictures of my dehumidifier and bucket setup for you bob.
fatman7574
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Sears Kenmore 5000 btu airconditioner dimensions: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_04275050000P?mv=rr#desc
Cabinet Depth:12-13/16 in.Cabinet Height:11-1/8 in.Cabinet Width:17-5/16 in.
Wow - 11 inches tall means it is likely shorter than the dehudifier you are now using.
Cabinet Depth:12-13/16 in.Cabinet Height:11-1/8 in.Cabinet Width:17-5/16 in.
Wow - 11 inches tall means it is likely shorter than the dehudifier you are now using.
Lol, looks familiar............truth be told, was tightening the hose on there for a half hour with rusty pliers and getting quite frustrated before I decided to take a look at the manual where it said "re-insert bin into unit".........what an idiot I am - anyways, my setup is basically identical. Thanks for the pics, I appreciate it - and where'd you get your Purple Kush from? Clone or seeds, and if seeds, what bank?well the ladies are doing well. i think i switched them a little too early. i feel like they could have vegged for a few more days. but oh well whats done is done. i dont think they will finish as tall as the did last time but they should still turn out well. here are some pictures i took last night right before the light went off. i also took the pictures of my dehumidifier and bucket setup for you bob.
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rbahadosingh
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lol bob. i did the same thing... and i got the PK as a clone from a club in oakland...
We must be related
On another note, got some Lucas questions for you, if you don't mind:
1) Why the Flora and not the Nova?
2) Did you ever try to not change out your rez for the whole flowering cycle? That's what I'm trying to do (topping with R/O water and nute'ing as I go along), and I was wondering if you'd tried that and had issues or never tried it.
3) Why the additives? Have you ever tried just running the Lucas formula without additives? If so, do you find that the additives help you out?
I have tons of freebees from the hydro store (House and Garden, Bloombastic, etc.) and was thinking of giving them a try if they're worthwhile, but as I understand it, the formula does not require them.
Again, appreciate your time - looking for purple kush seeds now, but have a few other strains lined up in the meantime.
rbahadosingh
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i asked the guy at the hydro store and he recomended the flora so that what ive been using. i never tried the nova.We must be related
On another note, got some Lucas questions for you, if you don't mind:
1) Why the Flora and not the Nova?
2) Did you ever try to not change out your rez for the whole flowering cycle? That's what I'm trying to do (topping with R/O water and nute'ing as I go along), and I was wondering if you'd tried that and had issues or never tried it.
3) Why the additives? Have you ever tried just running the Lucas formula without additives? If so, do you find that the additives help you out?
I have tons of freebees from the hydro store (House and Garden, Bloombastic, etc.) and was thinking of giving them a try if they're worthwhile, but as I understand it, the formula does not require them.
Again, appreciate your time - looking for purple kush seeds now, but have a few other strains lined up in the meantime.
i didnt try not changing my res for the entire grow. there was one point when i let it go for about 3 weeks and the ec went high and the ladies were showing signs of some nutrient lockout so i changed it.
im using the additives because i want the buds to really swell. in soil you can use molasses but you cant in hydro so i wanted to use some sort of blossom builder/booster. it seemed to work good on my last grow.
btw, purple kush is clone only strain. its considered an elite clone.
Thanks very much, friend - I've let my rez go for about a month now (3 weeks veg, 1 week 12/12) and I'm gonna try to push the envelope and see how long it can go.
EDIT: Rhaba, not sure if you're still having the issue of controlling your fan that cools the lights, but I was (and it was causing my heater to have to run on cold days), so I just bought one of these (didn't want to plug that fan into my exhaust fans on the Sentinel):
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000E7NYY8/ref=oss_T15_product
Seems to be exactly like the CAP TMP that I have, except this one's digital and $35 vs. that at $100 and analog.
Also, planning my next grow when I go up to two Magnums and an 8x4 Sun Hut - was wondering if you thought that a 6" inline (425CFM) is sufficient for cooling them, or would I be better suited in stepping up to an 8", 750CFM fan to cool them? Summer's gonna be a challenge, was just trying to plan ahead.
EDIT: Rhaba, not sure if you're still having the issue of controlling your fan that cools the lights, but I was (and it was causing my heater to have to run on cold days), so I just bought one of these (didn't want to plug that fan into my exhaust fans on the Sentinel):
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000E7NYY8/ref=oss_T15_product
Seems to be exactly like the CAP TMP that I have, except this one's digital and $35 vs. that at $100 and analog.
Also, planning my next grow when I go up to two Magnums and an 8x4 Sun Hut - was wondering if you thought that a 6" inline (425CFM) is sufficient for cooling them, or would I be better suited in stepping up to an 8", 750CFM fan to cool them? Summer's gonna be a challenge, was just trying to plan ahead.
rbahadosingh
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the ladies are doing well. they are only about a foot tall now. they are much smaller than last time. i think i should have vegged for another week or so. i know they arent going to get as big last time. my last grow they finished at about 2 feet tall. ill take some pictures later and post.
dkaspa1987
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when u say they finished at 2 feet tall, that was at the end of the flowering stage?...i have some Cheese/Haze strand right now and some og kush also, im 1month and 2 days from seedling and i put my og kush to veg at about 12-15 inches each (topped them all)..now my haze/cheeses are alittle smaller, id say they range from 5-9inches, if i flower them now would that have any affect on the yield i get , or shuld i wait longer or until there 12inches or taller?....
grassified
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does an EC of 1.6 mean 1600 ppm? and a ec of 2.0 2000 ppm?
Thanks for clarifying, I am a hydro noob
EDIT: also, after looking at the air conditioner mentioned
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_04275050000P?cascycle=true&mv=rr#
It says under the specs is dehumidifies at 36 pints/24 hours, is that better than the current dehumidifier you have?
Also, at what wattage does your dehumidifier run at?
Depends on what conversion factor you use, but an EC of 2.0 translates to 1000PPM at .5 conversion (NaCl).does an EC of 1.6 mean 1600 ppm? and a ec of 2.0 2000 ppm?
Thanks for clarifying, I am a hydro noob
EDIT: also, after looking at the air conditioner mentioned
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_04275050000P?cascycle=true&mv=rr#
It says under the specs is dehumidifies at 36 pints/24 hours, is that better than the current dehumidifier you have?
Also, at what wattage does your dehumidifier run at?
Some meters also use a .7 conversion factor, which at 2.0 EC, will give you ~1400PPMs.
Notice the one constant there? EC never changes, whereas your measured PPMs depend on what conversion factor you use.
grassified
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then why do we even need to use EC? why not just a PPM meter? Is it easier?
also, do most people use a .5 conversion factor? because what if someone says "yeah im at an ec of 2.0" but that could be either 1000 ppm or 1400 ppm or whatever depending on your conversion factor.
thanks for the help!!!!
and those pkush are looking really good, I didn't know they did so well in a SOG style grow.
also, do most people use a .5 conversion factor? because what if someone says "yeah im at an ec of 2.0" but that could be either 1000 ppm or 1400 ppm or whatever depending on your conversion factor.
thanks for the help!!!!
and those pkush are looking really good, I didn't know they did so well in a SOG style grow.
EC is preferred over PPMs because EC is universal and doesn't require a conversion.
You seem to have your logic reverse; the question should be "why do people use PPM and not EC?".
To my knowledge, .5 is more common then .7 these days.