2015 can suck it !

sunni said:

ty theres nothing written by pan saying his brother in law is a meth head..so how does your post even warrant that explanation i dunno

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well im just saying people will steal from there own mother let alone a brother in law he probably thinks panhead is a senile old man that done lost his mind (which he hasn't)

he probably thinks he'll get away with it too stealing from his own family around here that would get you shunned by everyone and possibly shot

i just said ik a meth head that stole everything from his own mother he gave a mothers day present and took her out to eat not but a week before he jacked all of her shit

luckily he got what was coming to him

tytheguy111 said:

well im just saying people will steal from there own mother let alone a brother in law he probably thinks panhead is a senile old man that done lost his mind (which he hasn't)

he probably thinks he'll get away with it too stealing from his own family around here that would get you shunned by everyone and possibly shot

i just said ik a meth head that stole everything from his own mother he gave a mothers day present and took her out to eat not but a week before he jacked all of her shit

luckily he got what was coming to him

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bit of a difference from someone suffering from substance abuse than someone who works 70 hours a week in a family business ...
more like big difference.

sunni said:

bit of a difference from someone suffering from substance abuse than someone who works 70 hours a week in a family business ...
more like big difference.

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no not if he works for his family and steals from them AND still gets over paid

i mean if hes making 70k thats quite a bit

ill be going to collage for 2 years to make a salary of 40k ya know???

and panhead has medical bills for his wife and its his business he took the financial risk starting it up so he should make more then anyone else

sunni think about this for a second you start your own business and your start up cost is lets say 100k well you have to take the risk dishing out that money from your own pocket and if it fails your out 100k

so he took the risk its his business he gets what he wants because its his he literally owns it and he doesn't do the labor why??????

BECAUSE HE'S THE BOSS he doesn't have to and cant do the labor because he runs the damn place and keeps everyone paid and happy while also selling the property


he has the bigger risk too if it fails he is out his start up cost and all the money he paid into it

plus its pretty fucking communist saying the owner of the company shouldn't make more money im just saying

sorry sunni if it sounds like im going on a rant or sounds like im snapping at you i have respect for you and im not trying to be a punk that tries to fuck with mods and shit

and ive looked into starting my own company were i import RDAs and mechanical mods from clone suppliers in China then selling it on ebay and to local vape shops and ive been through what the start up cost and thought about it heavily

id have to take the risk spending a few thousand dollars on products and shipping costs to import plus advertisement to have a professional photographer take pictures of stuff im wanting to sell so it looks presentable for buyers then if i make 20,000 ill have to pay taxes to paypal so ill have a bigger peice of the pie then any employees i hire because i had to pay all that and there salaries not knowing if im gonna make money or not

stop bickering with each other in this important thread.

mudballs said:

stop bickering with each other in this important thread.

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ur right

@sunni im sorry

thats a shitty deal and a tough call.
I would draft all the suspicious charges and call him over for a meeting with yourself and your accountant.

I would ask him to explain some of the charges you're finding in detail.

Then I would listen and see what he has to say and what his explanation is.

I would put him on the spot and drill him so he has to answer then listen.

He will either condemn himself, or give an explanation.

Sometimes it is wiser to sit back and let him tell you what is gong on, that way he may or may not inflict his own punishment depending on his thoughts on the matter and his attitude towards it.

Then he will know he has been caught and in is debt.

for the sake of your family, sometimes silence and pressure is more powerful than outrage and anger.

good luck

Prison rules. He took your cornbread...you just gonna let him take your cornbread? Next will b your asshole he is taking.

^metaphorically speaking

I hope everything works out in your favor!

mudballs said:

@ttystikk not true. i won't speculate on wifes condition or visitors allowed around her but it is pretty easy to keep a lid on this, mainly because it won't explode into paperwork, court, gossip. these are business men not schoolyard kids.

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I respectfully disagree, and I bet you wife knows a lot more about your affairs than you think she does!

man my neighbor had a wife that was wheelchair ridden and very ill and stayed mostly in the house or on the porch. the chances of any of us allowing anything negative getting near that women were extremely remote. remember the condition of panheads wife, i would bet my last dollar she won't find out if they don't want her to.

mudballs said:

stop bickering with each other in this important thread.

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i wasnt bickering

mr sunshine said:

Let him keep it ..He probably deserved it anyway. ..from now on make sure he doesn't take anymore. . Give him his 5500 dollar raise. ..and never give him another raise again...it sucks but money's just paper family is what's important....

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I couldnt agree more , money is just a tool & nothing more , money shouldn't define how we respond to people we care about or love , or define who we are , at 62 yrs old & everything we own paid off its easy to say, i understand younger folks need for $ to survive but for us money is nothing big , ive got stereo speakers that cost more than i pay my brother in law for a yrs salary , i give away hundreds a month to Charities for kids cancer ,MS & Humane Society , not trying to brag or be a fool about money im just trying to put money in the perspective it plays in my life .

mr sunshine said:

Stfu! You quit because you're a lazy fucker... I've changed my mind ,fuck that guy. 40 g's is a lot of money,Tell your wife bro, she's not your child she's your partner and it's your obligation to tell her...but if you don't, it's cool!

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15 years ago i'd of told her because i never lie to her but its different now that her MS is running rampant , the MS caused legions covering the entire left hand side of her brain which causes her Dementia , 90% of the time she's my wife & a normal woman in her 60's , then other days she's in a child like mentality ( but still fully aware ) , those days she gets extremely emotional , extreme emotion with laughter for no reason or hysterical crying are part of severe MS like she has , its a slow killer .

I cant stand to see my wife unhappy & with all her medical issues im gonna make sure her last yrs are nothing but happy times surrounded by family who loves her .

panhead said:

I couldnt agree more , money is just a tool & nothing more , money shouldn't define how we respond to people we care about or love , or define who we are , at 62 yrs old & everything we own paid off its easy to say, i understand younger folks need for $ to survive but for us money is nothing big , ive got stereo speakers that cost more than i pay my brother in law for a yrs salary , i give away hundreds a month to Charities for kids cancer ,MS & Humane Society , not trying to brag or be a fool about money im just trying to put money in the perspective it plays in my life .



15 years ago i'd of told her because i never lie to her but its different now that her MS is running rampant , the MS caused legions covering the entire left hand side of her brain which causes her Dementia , 90% of the time she's my wife & a normal woman in her 60's , then other days she's in a child like mentality ( but still fully aware ) , those days she gets extremely emotional , extreme emotion with laughter for no reason or hysterical crying are part of severe MS like she has , its a slow killer .

I cant stand to see my wife unhappy & with all her medical issues im gonna make sure her last yrs are nothing but happy times surrounded by family who loves her .

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Whatever you do is fine.. do what best suits your situation. Im sorry about your wife I didn't fully know the situation but now that I know a little more I think you should do whatever you need to do to keep this from her...you're a good
man panhead.

ttystikk said:

No one person or no one thing should be so critical to your business that letting them go threatens the whole operation. You have quite a range of interests and no one should be irreplaceable- not even you.

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Your absolutely correct & he is replaceable if it absolutely has to be , its just such a bad fukin time for this shit , my son just took over the business & he wanted to fire his uncle on the spot but i intervened for now , if somebody in my family needs cash so bad their willing to steal then their family must be hurting & i want to know why before i make it worse or help them .

It dont help matters none that they speak in Lebanese Arabic all day long at work .

tytheguy111 said:

no not if he works for his family and steals from them AND still gets over paid

i mean if hes making 70k thats quite a bit

ill be going to collage for 2 years to make a salary of 40k ya know???

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See but that $40k you'll be making is entry level starting pay .

Something most people dont realize about construction workers is that in order to become a Journeyman in a single trade it takes yrs of schooling , in many cases longer than a college degree , a Journeyman card is like a masters degree for a specific trade .

Take me for an example , it took me 3 yrs of school for my 1st journeyman card in waterproofing , then another 4 years for my 2nd journeymans card in architectural sheet metal , then another 2 years school to get my Certified Crane Operators card , after that 6 months more school in Drafting & basic blue print CAD in order for me to take a superintendant position , it took me nearly 10 yrs school to learn my trades & my brother in law holds 2 cards his own self , he's a Master carpenter ( think Norm on This old House ) & a Journeyman Plumber with 25 years experience .

There's alot of guys out there swinging hammers for a living but if you want one that knows his shit your gonna pay or he's movin on to better paying work .

panhead said:

See but that $40k you'll be making is entry level starting pay .

Something most people dont realize about construction workers is that in order to become a Journeyman in a single trade it takes yrs of schooling , in many cases longer than a college degree , a Journeyman card is like a masters degree for a specific trade .

Take me for an example , it took me 3 yrs of school for my 1st journeyman card in waterproofing , then another 4 years for my 2nd journeymans card in architectural sheet metal , then another 2 years school to get my Certified Crane Operators card , after that 6 months more school in Drafting & basic blue print CAD in order for me to take a superintendant position , it took me nearly 10 yrs school to learn my trades & my brother in law holds 2 cards his own self , he's a Master carpenter ( think Norm on This old House ) & a Journeyman Plumber with 25 years experience .

There's alot of guys out there swinging hammers for a living but if you want one that knows his shit your gonna pay or he's movin on to better paying work .

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i understand but still 70 grand is enough to live comfortably even with debit but i guess its different in other parts of the us and different living expenses ;

sunni said:

bit of a difference from someone suffering from substance abuse than someone who works 70 hours a week in a family business ...
more like big difference.

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Ive been going over his salary in my head over & over , its a fukin conundrum , im calling him & getting to the bottom of it all .

panhead said:

Ive been going over his salary in my head over & over , its a fukin conundrum , im calling him & getting to the bottom of it all .

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read my big reply...its not a quick fix answer but those are questions a professional in my career would ask

omg the wait to find out how this resolves is unbearable!

panhead said:

Ive been going over his salary in my head over & over , its a fukin conundrum , im calling him & getting to the bottom of it all .

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I can't imagine how all the elements in your life must be pulling you to resolve this in different ways.

The tough guy wants to bash him in the face with a 2x4.
The loving husband wants him to beg forgiveness & not tell family.
The business owner wants to call the authorities & land his ass in jail.
Et al.

You have a true conundrum my friend.
I wish you the wisdom to choose the correct answer.