2024 Massachusetts Outdoor Growers

I have 1 Salvisa and 2 Salvisa offspring from the resistant plant from last year. The 2 offspring are doing great! The Salvisa is doing pretty good. Looking at my pollen supply and trying to figure out what to cross to my resistant strains and look at next year. But at least I have a direction. Its tough to admit I can't grow whatever I want outdoors in the environment I live in!
maybe send that pollen right into superwreck or another, older trainwreck..... there's something tw's dna....and it aint the golf swing!
 

mandocat

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maybe send that pollen right into superwreck or another, older trainwreck..... there's something tw's dna....and it aint the golf swing!
I have plenty of genetics to work with that I have seen firsthand exhibit resistance. I don't trust most strains to be what they are labeled these days, unless they are from a handful of breeders and I get them directly from those people. It's not like fruits and vegetables, which have been selected and stabilized rigorously for the last 100 years or so. I'll be looking at a bunch of The Work crosses, (which is what Salvisa is), for next summer's grow. Those are bred outdoors in Michigan.
 

p59teitel

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Hope everyone has been enjoying the very dry weather the past few weeks. The Chitrali female finally has shown some vulnerability to Septoria, so I’ve been whittling away some of the colas that were affected in the hopes that I can get another week out of those, and a couple more weeks out of the ones that aren’t as affected -

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p59teitel

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The two Karakoram females are also doing pretty well and should finish in 3 or 4 weeks, I’m seeing a bit of leaf spotting on those but most of it seems to be connected with natural aging as they get into flower. One observation I did make was that when one of their branches partially broke away during one of the storms last month and ended up lying on the ground in an inch of pooled rainwater, it became riddled with Septoria quite quickly. I also haven’t burned any brush on the garden for a couple of years, so I’m wondering if there’s a connection between not cauterizing the grow area and the increased Septoria I have been seeing over the past two years. Another observation that seems to indicate it’s in the soil is that the spotting spreads from the bottom of the plants towards the top. I plan on clearing a bunch of brush to add to what I already have stockpiled this fall and it should be ready to burn once burning season starts mid January.

Anyway, these plants have been fairly easy growers, the big one topped out just shy of 12 feet. I have a ton of bagseed on both of them because out of eight plants only two were female, and I left the males in the garden longer than I should have (most of what I grow goes into hash so I’m not that concerned about seeds). Smells are a scrumptious gassy citrus -

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p59teitel

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Finally here are this year’s slowpokes, two Tashqurghan, Afghanistan females that are just now showing buttons. The lanky one has been quite impacted with the leaf spot, but the very green rounded plant has really been the best performer in my garden against that particular plague. These assholes are definitely going to keep me going until Halloween and probably later -
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Spider-Man

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Hey folks ... sorry for disappearing for a couple years, but it looks like you guys have done a great job of keeping the Mass Outdoor thread alive! I never stopped growing, but dealing with things like running a business, teenage kids, and fighting cancer have all limited my ability to contribute here on RIU. With things finally settled down I'm hoping to contribute a lot more this season, and excited to share some of things I've learned along the way about outdoor growing in Massachusetts... but even more so I'm excited to learn what you all have learned about this incredibly challenging hobby we've chosen.

This year marks 25 years since I popped my first beans back in 1999, and I've learned a ton over the years... but my number one takeaway is that growing outdoors anywhere in New England is a massive challenge. The deck is stacked against us because we just don't have a suitable climate for growing cannabis... and without SOME luck we don't really stand a chance. There are millions of tips, tricks, and techniques that can increase the odds of landing a suitable harvest, but without some help from mother nature we're all toast.

My hope is that this thread can remain a place that we're all able to share our collective experience with what works (and what doesn't)... and hopefully tilt the odds a bit back in our favor this year.

I'd like to kick this year off by sharing what I've learned about a topic that is appropriately timed for this stage of the 2024 growing season.... strain selection. This is the time of year when most of us start digging through our seed vault, or searching seed banks for the varieties we want to grow this season... and in my opinion, this is where many outdoor growers make their first mistake.... they select their strains for the wrong reasons. People that are selecting their strains based on things like potency, yield, flower time, pretty bud shots on IG, could be setting themselves up for failure from the start.

The problem is that 99+% of the seeds available in most seed banks are produced from strains bred indoors under carefully controlled conditions . If the breeders want the climate to be like Jamaica, they can dial that in ... if they want it to feel more like Mazar-i-Sharif, they can also make that happen. So when you take those poly-hybrid strains... most of which have never seen a single day of real sunlight, shortening days, or rainfall in their generational history... and you grow them outside in the inhospitable New England climate, you have no idea what you're going to get. Most of the time you'll get something completely incompatible.

So the first tip is to try and choose a strain you've had success growing outdoors in the past. If a certain strain has already performed well and resisted the dangers of your specific garden and microclimate, there is a very strong likelihood that it will again. If you haven't grown anything that stands out or you're just beginning, look for breeders that breed somewhere in New England under the sun. I haven't shopped for seeds in a couple years but I know there used to be a few breeders from the area marketing their seeds.

An even better approach is to just make your own seeds each season. The idea is to selectively breed your best females with a strong male over several generations to continually produce seeds that are more likely to succeed in your garden. It's super easy to do, and you can selectively pollinate just one branch of your choice females. You don't need to grow a massive male that impregnates your entire crop. Flowering one or two strong males, and pollinating one female branch can produce all the seeds you'll ever need, with only a few minutes of effort dusting it with pollen at the right time.

There's no such thing as a landrace strain for New England. We haven't had fields of weed growing and open pollinating itself for hundreds of years like other parts of the world have. If we did, the choice would be easy and we'd all be growing that. So my opinion is the next best thing is to replicate nature and create your own. Everybody should be doing it if they can.

Well anyway, here's to a great season everyone! Did anyone learn anything new with all the rain last year?

My current status is a greenhouse that looks like a bomb went off... it needs a full top to bottom cleaning

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Warfox

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Haven’t posted in a while, but here is my lone remaining girl - a feminized Shaman by Dutch Passion. I haven’t had much free time lately, so I threw some seedlings in amended ground, and wished them luck.

The other plants of other strains flowered way too early and were destroyed by caterpillars and rot. There isn’t a speck of mold that I can see on the Shaman, which is over 8ft tall I’d say. She has many weeks to go yet, and I’ll push her to late October.

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p59teitel

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Haven’t posted in a while, but here is my lone remaining girl - a feminized Shaman by Dutch Passion. I haven’t had much free time lately, so I threw some seedlings in amended ground, and wished them luck.

The other plants of other strains flowered way too early and were destroyed by caterpillars and rot. There isn’t a speck of mold that I can see on the Shaman, which is over 8ft tall I’d say. She has many weeks to go yet, and I’ll push her to late October.

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Looks good! Sorry about the rest of your crop. My big disease of concern this year is Septoria leaf spot. Haven’t seen any rot yet, I’m wondering if the drought from mid August to mid September slowed that plague down - not that I’m complaining.
 

p59teitel

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This Chitrali will be going soon, I’ve whittled the leaves with leaf spot down so there isn’t much vegetative support for the flowers left. I will say that for a landrace hash plant it has very firm and solid colas -

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7CardBud

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I grew a few small plants this year. Didn't have the patience to deal with growing 10ft unprotected monsters in the crap NE weather.
 

G Bear

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well the 4 days of wind and rain a couple weeks ago led to some minor bud rot here and there but still looking good for the most part. here’s a picture of the same bud from my previous post. ive got 8 plants, Do si dos, wedding cake, and gold leaf. this one is wedding cake. can smell them from the road…IMG_8670.jpeg
 
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Sorry for the low res photos. In order from top to bottom: mountain top mint x gazzurple- hsc; blue caper- caper seeds; unicorn poop- thug pug; apple fritter- blimburn; anti-venom- some dutch breeder

So far I'm iffy on if I'll run hsc stuff again. I haven't been as impressed by their strains.
I used some d747 pretty liberally this year after some random root rot. I'm suprised by how little mold I have this year, and I wonder if that has anything to do with it.
I'm not entirely sold on Recharge.
I'm impressed at how well I did this year, compared to last, with just DE for IPM.
 

p59teitel

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Took down the last Tashqurghan plant yesterday. It stayed pretty resistant to septoria and rot affected branches and not really the flowers. Sticky and was just starting to show a few amber trichomes here and there. IMG_1710.jpegIMG_1785.jpegIMG_1787.jpegIMG_1793.jpeg
 
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