24/hour light in veg is it good or should I 18/6?

Laugh it up jokers! You act like im the only one that thinks this, there are people spending millions of dollars to do tests on plants to see if they sleep or not. Now that you guys opened your big mouths where is your proof they don't?

http://www.virtualherbarium.org/GardenViews/NightMoves.html
https://www.msu.edu/user/langley6/webquest/plant/plnt.html

Plants are not unlike humans. They can talk to each other and even call in reinforcements when the going gets tough.
Who says so? Australian gardener Don Burke and Australian National University chemistry Professor Ben Selinger, in reviewing research on plants over the past 10 years, have come to the conclusion that many plants have human qualities.
They say plants can communicate with each other by using a range of chemical signals.
"If a plant muncher such as a caterpillar or even a koala starts chewing on a plant, the plant will start sending chemicals to its leaves in an effort to repel the chewer," Mr Burke said.
"Nearby plants will also start emitting these same chemicals, anticipating that they'll also be attacked."
Mr Burke, who writes about the phenomena in an upcoming issue of his gardening magazine, also said plants can release chemicals which attracts certain insects to protect them.

http://www.physorg.com/news95358652.html

In findings that some might find reminiscent of science fiction, scientists at the Scripps Research Institute have shown for the first time that humans and plants share a common pathogen recognition pathway as part of their innate immune systems. The data could help shed fresh light on how pathogen recognition proteins function and the role they play in certain chronic inflammatory diseases.

[QUOTE/]When you use info from a site to teach children, & other beginner sites, you find things simplified. They compare plants to humans to make kids understand. I see they taught him, he just took it to heart as the full knowledge. It's getting old explaining botany, huh, Cowboy.
Daniels[/QUOTE]

I have come to the conclusion Dan that the Myths are going to win. They just have more zip and catch phrases that overcome common sense. Simple biology and botany is where its at.....Peace Brother.

abudtokr said:

Laugh it up jokers! You act like im the only one that thinks this, there are people spending millions of dollars to do tests on plants to see if they sleep or not. Now that you guys opened your big mouths where is your proof they don't?

http://www.virtualherbarium.org/GardenViews/NightMoves.html
https://www.msu.edu/user/langley6/webquest/plant/plnt.html

Plants are not unlike humans. They can talk to each other and even call in reinforcements when the going gets tough.
Who says so? Australian gardener Don Burke and Australian National University chemistry Professor Ben Selinger, in reviewing research on plants over the past 10 years, have come to the conclusion that many plants have human qualities.
They say plants can communicate with each other by using a range of chemical signals.
"If a plant muncher such as a caterpillar or even a koala starts chewing on a plant, the plant will start sending chemicals to its leaves in an effort to repel the chewer," Mr Burke said.
"Nearby plants will also start emitting these same chemicals, anticipating that they'll also be attacked."
Mr Burke, who writes about the phenomena in an upcoming issue of his gardening magazine, also said plants can release chemicals which attracts certain insects to protect them.

http://www.physorg.com/news95358652.html

In findings that some might find reminiscent of science fiction, scientists at the Scripps Research Institute have shown for the first time that humans and plants share a common pathogen recognition pathway as part of their innate immune systems. The data could help shed fresh light on how pathogen recognition proteins function and the role they play in certain chronic inflammatory diseases.

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ur like a broken record man howcome u post links that provide links to the same shit uve posted earlier? we have proven to u over and over again that for 1 leaves close to protect themselves from either weather or the moonlight interfering with photosythisis so wtf do u still think they close to sleep? are u really that retarded? one article uses the word sleep in quotations and they are using it to describe the movement of the plant....so if they are substituting the word for a word that small minded ppl like u cant understand why must u go on thinkin they really are talkin about sleep? we have provided definitions and also scientific research that proves plants are doing way more work went hey are 'sleep' than they do wen they are awake! so wait if the plant is using up less energy during the day then plants must sleep during the day! right? i mean u do kno the definition of sleep...and the research proves that at night they are far from that!

i cant beleive that after all the links i have provided, all the proof i have provided u are still going to ask for proof like the shit aint right in ur ignorant face!...ur like one of those ppl that thinks they know everything becuase u can associate human interaction with plants....for one we all kno plants can do more than just grow...u are literally just beating a dead horse, and u are slowly changing the topic of this debate once again! this is about how plants dont sleep at night, and has nothing to do with how plants can communicate! once again u need to shut up, learn, and realise that becuase a plant moved into a different position doesnt mean its sleeping!!!!!

It doesnt mean its not sleeping, NO ONE CAN PROVE IT DON'T!!!! SO....... why dont you and broke back mountain there go take a hike! Oh and all the proof I showed you that a plant is doing something different at night then during the day, Its at a state that its rebuilding for the next day witch leads me to believe, IT RESTING LIKE ALL LIVING THINGS!!!! Your the ignorant one who thinks your right, I think there are different plants that do different things and for you to sit here and tell everyone YOUR the only one that is right becasue you dont know!!!

Some plants appear to shut down and go to sleep at night.

These cycles are not always sleep-like in the human sense of metabolism slowing down and the organism becoming inactive. On the contrary, a lot goes on under cover of darkness.

The functional or evolutionary reason behind nyctinasty is still unknown

So for me to sit here and tell you a plant sleeps I can not be 100% positive. But for you to sit here and tell us that your 100% positive they don't. You really dont know! I really truely don't know, But common scene tells me if a plant closes down at night it might be resting or sleeping. Its the term they use for metabolism slowing down and the organism becoming inactive.

we just have but ur too small minded and uneducated to get it, u can insult us all day long but that doesnt change the fact that u do not kno what u are talking about and are literally talkin out ur ass!
in one is active, and is concious, then they are not alseep, point proven! a fact is a fact and ur oppinion cannot change that! end of story! now i will leave u to bask in ur own stupidty

You havent proved anything but run your mouth..... you know!!! Do people still grow when they are sleeping? The word sleep dont mean dead or not growing...

sleep (sl p)n.1. a. A natural periodic state of rest for the mind and body, in which the eyes usually close and consciousness is completely or partially lost, so that there is a decrease in bodily movement and responsiveness to external stimuli. During sleep the brain in humans and other mammals undergoes a characteristic cycle of brain-wave activity that includes intervals of dreaming.
b. A period of this form of rest.
c. A state of inactivity resembling or suggesting sleep; unconsciousness, dormancy, hibernation, or death.

2. Botany The folding together of leaflets or petals at night or in the absence of light.
3. A crust of dried tears or mucus normally forming around the inner rim of the eye during sleep.

abudtokr said:

You havent proved anything but run your mouth..... you know!!! Do people still grow when they are sleeping? The word sleep dont mean dead or not growing...

sleep (sl

p)n.1. a. A natural periodic state of rest for the mind and body, in which the eyes usually close and consciousness is completely or partially lost, so that there is a decrease in bodily movement and responsiveness to external stimuli. During sleep the brain in humans and other mammals undergoes a characteristic cycle of brain-wave activity that includes intervals of dreaming.
b. A period of this form of rest.
c. A state of inactivity resembling or suggesting sleep; unconsciousness, dormancy, hibernation, or death.

2. Botany The folding together of leaflets or petals at night or in the absence of light.
3. A crust of dried tears or mucus normally forming around the inner rim of the eye during sleep.

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b...c...2...3,you copy and pasted what humans do when they sleep...which plants do none of those..then from another place you copied something about botany...when you try to copy and paste info at least label it right when you try to forge bad info...a..b..c..d

Will you guys shut up if I say your right? YOUR RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

why are u stuck on sleeping and growing? wow man like i said with every post u just soud more stupid! i have proven to u every last process the plant is going through wen u think it is supposedly "sleeping and recooperating/getting ready for the next day" i have also corrected u in telling u that people substitue the nycintastic leaf movement for sleeping so that uneducated people such as urself know what they are referring to! becuase the leaves have closed to protect themselves after the sun goes down does not mean that the plant is sleeping and getting ready for the next day when it 'wakes up'....ur wrong like i said u can either take in all this valid information or u can continue to be the ignorant person u have come across to b

now...let me break this down AGAIN for you....

sleep (slp)n.1. a. A natural periodic state of rest for the mind and body, in which the eyes usually close and consciousness is completely or partially lost, so that there is a decrease in bodily movement and responsiveness to external stimuli

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plants do not do this..for one they have no brain nor nervous system...they do not have the equipment to do this..plants are conscious of their environment 24 hours a day

During sleep the brain in humans and other mammals undergoes a characteristic cycle of brain-wave activity that includes intervals of dreaming.

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HUMAN AND MAMMALS...where does it say a thing there about plants...the only part about all that is the copy and paste from another article about botany...which had nothing to do with "sleep"....you keep saying you want "proof" and "facts" that plants do not sleep...its kinda hard to give proof of that...because any botanist that isnt a retard would not need to run a test to prove this...they already knew this since high school

Sleep of Plants the periodic closing and opening of plant organs, predominantly petals, during the day and night. Sleep movements are among the nyctinastic movements produced by the alteration of day and night. They are caused by change in illumination (photonasty) and change of temperature (thermonasty); such changes cause the flowers and inflorescences of many plants to open and close at certain hours. For example, the flowers of dandelion, chicory, flax, water lilies, oxalis, and many cacti open during the day and close in the evening or, in overcast weather, during the day. In scented tobacco (Nicotiana alata var. grandiflora), dame’s violet, evening primrose, queen of the night, and many Caryophyllaceae, the flowers open in the evening hours and close during the day. The flowers of salsify, lettuce, and some other plants open in the early morning hours and begin closing by noon. By selecting plants according to these characters, Linnaeus created a “flower clock.”
In many plants the position of the leaves also changes as a result of changes in the intensity of illumination. As a result of uneven growth of cells on different sides of the leafstalk, the leaf blade may be directed downward at night and upward during the day, or vice versa. In leaves that have completed their growth, movement occurs owing to changes in the turgor pressure of cells of the pulvini of the leaf articulations (for example, in Leguminosae, Oxalidaceae, and Amaranthaceae).
Sleep movements have great biological significance. In closed flowers the internal organs are protected from chilling and excessive moisture (rain, dew); in open flowers pollination occurs under the most favorable conditions.


But your RIGHT!!! I tell you that your right and you keep on keeping on. Again im not the only one that believes this. But you convinced my your right im wrong!!

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!! u just found an article that proves that they substitute the word sleep so idiots such as urself dont have to search the internet looking up what a nyctintastic movement is! (just like u have done in this case) well done! futher proving my case that u are an idiot! once again the movement that u have just found an article about only occurs becuase of the plant protecting itself..so it closes its leaves! the plant is not sleeping during this period. if you actually where to read the info u come across u will see that that article is simply explaining why the leaves move! this article however does not prove anything in the case of the plant is asleep at night! so once again I, and everyone else that has a brain and can read, is right!

rastadred22 said:

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!! u just found an article that proves that they substitute the word sleep so idiots such as urself dont have to search the internet looking up what a nyctintastic movement is! (just like u have done in this case) well done! futher proving my case that u are an idiot! once again the movement that u have just found an article about only occurs becuase of the plant protecting itself..so it closes its leaves! the plant is not sleeping during this period. if you actually where to read the info u come across u will see that that article is simply explaining why the leaves move! this article however does not prove anything in the case of the plant is asleep at night! so once again I, and everyone else that has a brain and can read, is right!

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bro..to be honest...this has gotten old..he obviously isnt going to understand this...its a tad over his head...we know his copy and paste jobs are not cutting it or proving anything other then he isnt understanding the material in front of him.....this has become nothing more then a internet dick fight that his stubbornness will not let end..lets just let him run with his theories..which not one person has backed him on...and let it go...i truely feel bad for the OP who actually had a question that has gotten lost in all this internet fog

i agree i think its actually quite funni and the fact that he continues to go on after being proven wrong amazes me..this happen alot on here and i took his ignorance and stupididty with a grain of salt! i cant stand what some ppl have made this site to be! i have not even been here a year but its been long enough to witness the downfall of this great site...it makes me sick to see the shit ppl will tell u, and clearly know nothing about i dropped this like 10pages bac when he started to do great research and we admitted he has at least looked in the right places but he insisted to carry it on. as far as a dick fight goes he hasnt mad much to swing around! and on that note i will leave it at that!

No guys your right. It is old and I dont wanna sit here and talk about it no more. After tell you guys your right you still wanna talk about it. And its funny you say no one backs me, all you have to do is google do plants sleep and you will see thousands of people share the same I do. People are spending millions of dollars to do research on plants. But you guys are right!

Plants can be said to rest or become dormant and they do use the night-time
for special purposes, and there are some similarities between these
activities and the sleep of animals. Plants cannot, however, be said to
"sleep as we humans do" because our type of sleep requires a nervous system.

lol but yet he sees no end to it.....smh

I agree with you m8!!

Oh my god. You're = you are. Your is not the same! Then and than are different words! Lol. Sorry guys..

Seriously.. no matter how much "scientific" bullshit you throw at someone, if you can't spell any better than a fourth grade child no one will take you seriously. And people like to say it takes too much time and they're just trying to prove a point. Unfortunately the point is lost when everyone thinks you're illiterate.

rastadred22 said:

ok there are some truths in here but scientifically they will not grow faster! a plant needs the dark period to complete photosynthisis...without the dark period u are restricting the tree from using the energy it gained during the lights on period. its not a bad thing but this is the reason as to why the plant doesnt get much verticle growth. aslo its not true that the plant will 'stretch' more in 18/6 its not 'stretching' its growing! i have tried 24hr periods due to lazyness and not having a timer and imo it takes longer to vege a plant!....the longer the dark period the more the tree will grow vertically. hence the reason as to y they double or triple in height wen u flip it over to flowerin. but think about it a plant does most of its growin wen its dark, and with out the dark period u dnt get the even growth u get really short really stocky trees that somtimes arent ideal. but to each his own!....but truthfully its basic botany, to my an oppinion is an oppinion and will never b a fact. u should look into facts becuase they are proven! oppinions are somtimes not validated and in most cases far off from the truth, its up to us to weed thru the information that is correct.
and no i am not attacking ppls oppinions as some on this thread did infact post some truths.

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most people don't want much vertical growth due to space limits, and to SAVE space. who wants a 6 foot plant indoors man, too much.