250w HPS Club And Help Guide

Kalebaiden said:

Your plant has hit sexual maturity or if it's an auto flower then all the better. keep to your plan.

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The plants in question are not auto strains and that is what has got me stumped.

RCgrowerman said:

The plants in question are not auto strains and that is what has got me stumped.

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The plant is not flowering. More than likely those are pre-flowers. As Kalebaiden said your plant has hit sexual maturity. This means that it is physically ready to flower. It's like puberty. Bigger tits and wider hips. Your plants are ready to get it on.
Seriously though, all MJ plants will begin to develop pre-flowers after vegging long enough. This is how you can identify sex before you move them to your flower room. No real buds should start to form until you switch your lights.

georgyboy said:

The plant is not flowering. More than likely those are pre-flowers. As Kalebaiden said your plant has hit sexual maturity. This means that it is physically ready to flower. It's like puberty. Bigger tits and wider hips. Your plants are ready to get it on.
Seriously though, all MJ plants will begin to develop pre-flowers after vegging long enough. This is how you can identify sex before you move them to your flower room. No real buds should start to form until you switch your lights.

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All my ladies show sexual maturity in veg, cos I do it long and slow as the CFL's keep em so short with half inch internodes, but didn't realise you could tell sex then...I thought they all started with the little pubes at the base of stems, and then males grew balls, and ladies grew bush (budds) ?? Only had none fem seeds once, and flipped early to weed out the boys before size became an issue

Dr. Kundilini said:

Checked at 5 hours of run time in 2x4x5 foot tent and it is only 81F. Heck, the 48 inch T12's got that warm.

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Had the same thing, my 4 bulb T5 was warmer because there was much less room between the light and plant and tougher to push cool air past it since its 49" long...

georgyboy said:

Bigger tits and wider hips.

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just thought i chuck a pic in here of my white widow. shes just over a week into 12/12 and stretching like mad she'll be 7 weeks from seed on monday.

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what kind of white widow is that?

i have some dinafem white widow going,, wondering if it's the same.

Nice looking WW.. Those sativa genes make her stretch a bit, but man the buzz is good... I have 2 variety's of WW I will be doing soon, WW x Big Bud, and Fruit Spirit (WW x Blueberry) looking forward to that one, going to ScrOG them..

Man I burned my girls... Still traces on new growth, yellow/brown tips. I think I am going with straight water for a week or so, may be over fert.

Still not a total loss tho...

Here is my canonpy, and the second pic is what I was talking about the other day with the tall branches. They are not far from the bulb, maybe 6". And of coarse my lovely yellow burned leaves




But still filling in and frosting up nicely


Some of the lower nugs..




I am thinking I should just run distilled water through, I dab a little bloom in it to drop the Ph to 6.5, do 1 gal each, for the next 3 feedings and see how they respond. I think my lockout turned into over fert, but I just flushed 2 days ago so I think it will take a few more days to start clearing up...

PS: If anyone has advice or tips I am open and teachable

So my SS2 hood/ballast all in one is nice, I do like it. However I do not like that the bulb is recessed and the sides come over it. I attached a pic. I have to have everything below the light for optimal cover. I would like to have some horizontal light cover so I can allow stretching branches to go to the sides making somewhat of a U shape.

Here is my idea. Now bear in mind I am not an amateur when it comes to mechanics and building. What I am thinking is to use my cutting wheel and go half way up the corners and where it connects to the rear, then bend out the sides at an angle so the bulb is exposed to the front & sides. There are no electrical in there, the only issue I may run into is support, cutting it will take away from the structure, so I may need to attach a couple brackets to it.

If you can picture what I want to do let me know what you think..
This would give me the ability to use a 24 x 30 section, put in a screen and try to make them grow in like a bowl....


The red lines illustrate where I plan on cutting, then bending it out....

The natural wavelength of the light will be stronger and intense down in the middle and less intense on the sides. The U-sCROG you are describing is a method to take advantage of that. Simply having the sides higher than the middle will give the tops close to the same amount of light exposure. There is a guy, Matchbox I think his name is that does a U-sCROG with 250w in cfls, and has amazing results.

I can't remember if I seen Matchbox post here in the 250 forum, but here is a link that shows his setup somewhat.
https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/524618-thread-share-hempy-photos-4.html

Georgyboy turned me on to this thread which is really interesting!
https://www.rollitup.org/subcools-old-school-organics/542308-main-lining-thread.html

acjed, that looks like a legitimate plan to alter your hood. MY HTG hood came the way that you describe making yours. The two end pieces are separate, I had to attach them myself. The side pieces of my reflector are like wings, and I can bend them out as wide or narrow as I want to change the lights foot print. The hood is aluminum and has two thick creases on each wing, I just make the adjustments by changing the angle of the bend in the crease. No structural probelms, but I think my hood was made to be played with like this so I can't promise yours will work, but I don't see why it wouldn't. The term v-scrog was initially meant to refer to what you and stone slacker are referring to, but now I see it used in reference to vertical scrogs. I see the terms u-scrog and stadium scrog used for that bowl shape now. Terms don't matter to me that much, but it's good for everyone to be on the same page, IMO.

Thanks. I figured there was a word for it..

I can deal with the structural by adding a couple metal brackets. Plus I do not plan on cutting all the way, just half way so the bulb is exposed on the sides and front.

stoneslacker said:

Georgyboy turned me on to this thread which is really interesting!
https://www.rollitup.org/subcools-old-school-organics/542308-main-lining-thread.html

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That is very similar to what I did. An old trick I learned when I was a teenager from an old hippy. He told me the first month or so to clip the top, and bend it over, it makes the new tops, and the lower branches come out even and give a plant the look of having 4 - 8 tops like a bush rather than its natural christmas tree look. He didnt do it for light, as this was outdoor, but if you looked at the plant from a distance it looked exactly like the natural terrain... Sneaky....

georgyboy said:

The plant is not flowering. More than likely those are pre-flowers. As Kalebaiden said your plant has hit sexual maturity. This means that it is physically ready to flower. It's like puberty. Bigger tits and wider hips. Your plants are ready to get it on.
Seriously though, all MJ plants will begin to develop pre-flowers after vegging long enough. This is how you can identify sex before you move them to your flower room. No real buds should start to form until you switch your lights.

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I never knew that preflowers were normal in veg thanks for the knowledge!

I know my stuffs.

Sr. Verde said:

what kind of white widow is that?

i have some dinafem white widow going,, wondering if it's the same.

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she is from a bag i got a while back, lovely smoke. im a little sceptical atm because the last 2 i tried to grow hermied. i think it was because of light leaks though which ive sorted now.

brettsog said:

she is from a bag i got a while back, lovely smoke. im a little sceptical atm because the last 2 i tried to grow hermied. i think it was because of light leaks though which ive sorted now.

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Was it a hermied bud you got the seed from?

I believe I had that, was just 3 of them in a z, all in one spot of a little nug. All 3 fem, so far at least.
I read that if you get a seed from a hermied bud it will depend on why it hermied to begin with. If it was just minor stress that caused it to hermie and pollinate itself, chances are the seeds are fem. If it was just a fem that turned hermie, then the seeds would be hermie as well.

Not sure if it helps ease your mind or just made it worse... But just figured id share it with you..

yeah i understand the whole fem and hermie genetics. the space i had them in was constantly getting lights on and off. now i have sealed all edges and covered the holes so no light gets in or escapes. i am sure i caused them to hermie. this seed isnt from the last hermie though. i got this from a bag of white widow i bought in january. got about 20 seeds in total. i have some colloidal silver here now so if i wanted to make fem seeds a could. tbh im so tempted to do it with my fem amnesia. could live happily on a steady supply of fem amnesia. may even try cloning. i have some rooting hormone and some jiffy pellets and rock wool cubes and a small propogator.

gonna make myself a small veg area in my cupboard help keep things moving quicker

brettsog said:

yeah i understand the whole fem and hermie genetics. the space i had them in was constantly getting lights on and off. now i have sealed all edges and covered the holes so no light gets in or escapes. i am sure i caused them to hermie. this seed isnt from the last hermie though. i got this from a bag of white widow i bought in january. got about 20 seeds in total. i have some colloidal silver here now so if i wanted to make fem seeds a could. tbh im so tempted to do it with my fem amnesia. could live happily on a steady supply of fem amnesia. may even try cloning. i have some rooting hormone and some jiffy pellets and rock wool cubes and a small propogator.

gonna make myself a small veg area in my cupboard help keep things moving quicker

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I am with you on that. I order about a 75/25 ratio of reg/fem seeds. I will pollinate a few of the regular. Have wonder woman from nirvana, some skunk and big bud regular seeds. Then I have white widow x big bud, and fruit spirit (white widow x blueberry) fem seeds...

Thinking about crossing the Big Bud with the Wonder Woman and naming it BBW

Just finished setting up my clone/veg closet with my T5 fixture so i can now start a perpetual grow super happy

I saw this over on page two, did someone misplace it?