250wMH with LED Supplement. 19 Days FLower

A shot of some of the LED's on my girl. I have 6 10w xtra bright LED grow lights, i had 2 of them always on my OG x SD who vegged a couple weeks longer than the others, and at flower I've put 4 of the LED's concentrating on her. This is supplementing my 250w Full Spectrum Metal Halide from HID hut. She has had some Major LST which is why she's such a bush shape instead of a tree. Also threw in a shot of my LA Confidential girls.

The OGxSD seems to have an insane amount of bud growth locations, at least compared to the LA confidential girls. Not sure if this is mostly from the LED's or the bit of extra vegetation (which half of its extra time it was sick and struggling to live cuz of a screw up i had with some cheap hydro system and i nursed her to health in soil and got the LA's shortly after)

Once I got the LA's in there, I did 4 weeks veg and started flower. I plan to veg longer next time but I just need some medicine cuz the medical clubs are expensive and I'm sick of paying high prices.

What causes them to grow one leaf instead of five leaf sets.

shardfish420 said:

What causes them to grow one leaf instead of five leaf sets.

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Could be since it is a clone, I've been told they can exhibit odd behavior, or it could be a weird side effect of LED's when i had them pretty close, I did notice several leaves growning in a spiral where there was close direct LED light.

I've read somewhere on the site that the odd shaped leaves can come from cloning a plant that has been in flowering. Not sure though.

Tanuvan said:

I've read somewhere on the site that the odd shaped leaves can come from cloning a plant that has been in flowering. Not sure though.

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Thats probably it. the clone had signs of sex when i got it.... so it had probably just began flowering.

BUT! I'm not disapointed hehe she's my favorite, I'm gonna be kinda sad when I harvest her


edit: added pic of one of her 5 leafers taken today lol also some pics of her growth, taken 4 days ago (a few leaves drooping because i wanted to really dry out the soil, i normally take pics when i water, thats whats up with that)

Ok i reckon they are looking ok but if you want some bigger buds you might want to add a fluro tube and swap out the metal halide bulb for a hps bulb.
It also looks like they could do with a bit more p and k and some kind of carb product i.e. molasses.
I hope you end up with some smoke wateva you do and best of luck with the leds

natmoon said:

Ok i reckon they are looking ok but if you want some bigger buds you might want to add a fluro tube and swap out the metal halide bulb for a hps bulb.
It also looks like they could do with a bit more p and k and some kind of carb product i.e. molasses.
I hope you end up with some smoke wateva you do and best of luck with the leds

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hey nat, relieved you came thanks man.

i actually have an 85w CFL in one corner but its the one imitating budding light, i have another imitating regular from my hydro setup i bougth from stealthhydro (which was the biggest peice of shit i ever bought and the lights are the only useful thing and the only survivor of that grow in their ghetto inconsistent container was the OGxSD who was only 4" after a couple weeks and sick when i rescured her from it after all the others died) but i dont have that light in the tent right now cuz i am not happy abotu putting another 85 watts in.

that was a huge parenthesis thing or whatever lol.

here is the problem, the ballast is not switchable, a friend thought it would be nice to buy it for me and put 75%(thinking paying about 40 bux would cover some stuff i did for him) of the cost on me because he thought he was doing a favor even though it wouldnt have been the light i'd choose.

I actually want to get rid of it and perhaps try a T-5 with the LED's as supplement next time with less plants cuz i think if i do the led's right i cna produce as much wish less but then again if i goto a T-5 all i know about this grow goes out the window.

Nat, with a flouro in there but over by another plant, would you recommend maybe putting the big girl right under the MH (it is full spectrum even tho i wouldnt have done that either *mumbles he meant well*)

i just don't want my landlord (sicne my electric is included (dude i love parenthesis you know this, i am just adding that i normally ran a 12000 btu ac unit whenever i wasn't at work so about 10 hours a day at least and they offhand mentioned the electric incrase so i've jsut tried to lower my use of the A/C and use the lights, so i can't really boost my HID much, but maybe i could save and invest in some T-5's to replace teh 250wfull spectrum MH, what woudl i need to handle the tent i have (check my threads started by me and see pics)




also, i have to kill my seedlings before they mature because under california proposition 215 i can have 12 plants, but only 6 mature 6 immature and since im doing flower lighting i dont want to risk any of them going mature in a way that could incriminate me with california (yes i know the DEA could pwn me whenever but as I've contacted enough local legalization organizations and so forth a bust on a minor grow be more likely to bring positive support for medical legalization nationwide thah detour it, they're after big growers and medical facilities taking advantage of patients and taking huge profits)

natmoon - bro im drunk and high right now i think from your posts you know how it is , i dunno much about what i typed before this but specifically you mentioned adding some more nutes, i will try but i have actually been adding a botanicare sweet formula citrus style, the most dominant ingredrient is a form of magnesium or whatever, is this similar to molasas? did the hydro guys steer me wrong to sell product? should i switch to something else?

overall you think they're lackign a little nutes tho right?

natmoon said:

I hope you end up with some smoke wateva you do and best of luck with the leds

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just wanna see if you mean some things look so bad they wont be smokable =/ and what i needa do, thanks

nat come back! heh

keep your temps steady. doesnt look like they need much other than a strict lighting and feeding schedule. Keep the calcium, P, and K high while budding. and dont let it get too hot or too cold during the day and night. +/- 7º. Those HID bulbs get so hot after a few hours. That is most likely why the leaves are sagging, if you are spraying them a lot that is also the cause. I never sprayed with hydro bc they have access to H2O 24/7. Good luck! how do you like those LED's? I hear they are sooooo cheap.

cjsesh00 said:

keep your temps steady. doesnt look like they need much other than a strict lighting and feeding schedule. Keep the calcium, P, and K high while budding. and dont let it get too hot or too cold during the day and night. That is most likely why the leaves are sagging, if you are spraying them a lot that is also the cause. Good luck! how do you like those LED's? I hear they are sooooo cheap.

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heh doin my best to keep things steady, but the leaves curling only seems to really be hitting the OGxSD girl. I will avoid misting them for awhile, i normally only do that at night anyways tho.

I have been using these ferts, based on your guys responses I'm not sure if this is lacking those, or if I'm not giving them enough of these:

Amdish.com : : Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Bloom Soil Formula 1 Quart
and
Botanicare Sweet Citrus Qt by Horizen Hydroponics

thats not where i purchased them just links to show what i'm using.

As for the LED's I like them so far, but lol im guessing thats sarcasm because they are far far from cheap I could have gotten more for a lower price probably but these are from ledgrowlights.com and their west coast distributor growwithelds.com has some comparisons showing their technologies superiority over cheaper products online/ebay.

no sarcasm, I really thought LED's were cheap. a saw some 12"x!2" panels at my local hydro store for 50$/ maybe they are shit though. I can't tell what to expect from them so i've stayed away

There was a post about them today. It show the conversion as a 1/4. For ever 100 watts of hid's you hvae reaplce them with 25 watts of led's. I'm going to check them out. VV

I have one 5 foot fluro tube and one 4 foot tube in my cupboard as well as my hps and i have found that mixing fluros and hps is a great idea.
They are both cool blue tubes,if your using a mh you will need more red light whereas i need more blue.
I can only imagine that adding fluros,leds and a hid lamp of some kind would be even better.

As soon as i switched the fluro tubes in my space back on with the hps i noticed the difference immediately in my plants.
Combining different light sources is definitely a good idea.
I always give my best plants the best lit positions and move everything else to the side lines.
Best of luck with it all

Those Leds Look Awesome!!! I Want Some Now!!! Where Can I Get One Of These Mudda Fuckas, My Shit Is In Flowering And I Need More Light!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

natmoon said:

I have one 5 foot fluro tube and one 4 foot tube in my cupboard as well as my hps and i have found that mixing fluros and hps is a great idea.
They are both cool blue tubes,if your using a mh you will need more red light whereas i need more blue.
I can only imagine that adding fluros,leds and a hid lamp of some kind would be even better.

As soon as i switched the fluro tubes in my space back on with the hps i noticed the difference immediately in my plants.
Combining different light sources is definitely a good idea.
I always give my best plants the best lit positions and move everything else to the side lines.
Best of luck with it all

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I'm gonna probably re-arrange the plants next watering and get my big girl set up to be completely spoiled with light and let the others just surround her, I'd really like to maximize her potential.

Maybe I should not have done this, but I cut off an entire branch that was coming from the bottom of the stem right above where it comes out of the soil. It was looking like a 1/8th miniature of the branches coming up like mains (from LST). I knew it wasn't getting good light and the buds looked like they'd be really tiny, I also cut off some other little bud branches that were at the base of the plant completely shaded by the canopy.

I don't have a time frame that I have to harvest by, so is this ok as long as I can wait for her to recover and finish ?

Growing one leaf like that is a growth defect from light polution or was switched back to veg after it already started flowering. I would trim all the branches with that defect where plant can focus on growing at its stronger parts. I have also had outdoor plants do that that dont get enough light.

VictorVIcious said:

There was a post about them today. It show the conversion as a 1/4. For ever 100 watts of hid's you hvae reaplce them with 25 watts of led's. I'm going to check them out. VV

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I'm not sure the conversion but its definitely a nice supplement to reduce energy consumption.

SOME HISTORY AND MY LST strategy: I'm gonna add some pics in here of the grow from the beggining. The Big Girl OG Kush x Sour Diesel was rescued from a hydro system I had gotten and screwed up with, she was the only survivor. Because she was a bit older than the others you can see i started getting crazy with the LST at first. I did this by screwing 2 hooks in, 1 on one side of the pot, then 1 opposite, affixed a wire to her base and one of the screws to act as support, then pulled her top down and hooked wire to bend her over, the support prevents the whole plant from leaning and getting too off balance I guess. Then when she recovered and grew up enough, I started putting more screws in the pot, and pulling her down around the pot in a circle. I kept doing this but by the time I made it like 1/2 way around the pot the branches she was growing were coming up acting like main stems and then she stopped growing so much to her top and more evenly among them. There is probably a better way to do it to get further around the pot because it got to the point there i had to train several branches in odd directions to get them even light since she was growing so much on one side of the pot. That was a mouthful, I hope not too hard to follow. I did LST to some of the faster growing LA Confidential plants but I only did the brace and pull down ties, I did not LST further.

PICS -

First TWO pictures- ONE WEEK
Second THREE pictures - TWO WEEKS

capncash said:

Growing one leaf like that is a growth defect from light polution or was switched back to veg after it already started flowering. I would trim all the branches with that defect where plant can focus on growing at its stronger parts. I have also had outdoor plants do that that dont get enough light.

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Well, when I rescued her, she was put into a friends grow area that was in flowering then i brought her back to veg.

As for trimming all the branches like that, unfortunately if you check out the top view, that would be all of the main branches lol =/

I should probably just go with the one leaf flow in that case right?