Kottonmouth king15
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im not vending shit anymore.not till i see whats up.my main dispensary has stopped taking in anymore product.sad days ahead my friends.
2811 Club Raided
- Thread starter Lucius Vorenus
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unclebobbyb
Member
Well said!
i wish i had your sense of humor and i did until i read this:
and they say recreational use for now but as you said illegal i illegal and there is no such thing as legal marijuana under federal law. while it may be harder to go after smaller grows, i have no doubt that they will not try. and if you think the state is gonna back us up then think again because the AG and the gov have both come out saying they are not only against the dispensaries but also do not like the idea of individuals growing marijuana in the state. saying it could never happen does not make it so.
apothecarist
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With this logic you support any user of marijuana getting arrested because it's illegal?
Fuck that. 2811 is run by a guy looking to make money, no doubt. But just saying people like him do not deserve support because they are breaking the law - which I is currently debatable and why they were seeking a declaratory judgement in court - is fucking ass backwards for any user of MMJ. NO ONE using marijuana right now is legal in the eyes of the Federal Government, so where do you draw the line? Federal laws are ok to break, but not state?
apothecarist
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I just don't get the hatred for clubs in AZ. Yeah, prices are high. People are looking to make money. So fucking what! Let them do their thing. This is just the beginning. The more people doing it the better off we are in the end. If the state were to implement prop 203 word for word right now, all of us patients and growers would be fucked. You would be forced to buy from a licensed dispensary unless you lived outside the 25 mile radius, or be a criminal again. If someone on disability who could not afford dispensary meds was caught growing their own they would be breaking the law. Does that mean they are making patients look bad too?
Philosophist
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the problem is this:
As a disabled Veteran who REFUSES to take welfare money, i cant afford to pay those prices. I simply cant. I make good pension money and my wifey works, but we are far from rich. I can afford Regs, simple old 50 an Oz Mexican weed....its all i have smoked for months now.
So that is what is wrong with the clubs, they are to expensive for 90% of there intended target customers. They are profiteering simple as that, they COULD sell for prices that patient could afford, but they CAN get higher prices, so they will. Its asinine.
And if i cant afford it, i KNOW older patient cant. I know TONS of fellow Vets that cant afford it, and they stay on Narcotics instead. If they bring in Dispensaries, im moving out of state, or 25 miles away. Im growing for life, because im not using MY hard earned money to pay the Porsche payment for some Profiteer dispensary owner like Bill Hayes.
apothecarist
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I get it. I won't pay club prices either. But we don't have to right now! That's what's awesome.
The clubs may have high prices, but battling them in their current form is counter productive IMO. You need to see the big picture and look to the future. The market is what determines price. The best way to fight that is to open up the market to competition. Shutting them down would be great for caregivers, but will do little if nothing to increase actual competition. What we need are MORE clubs and MORE caregivers. Overgrow this whole fucking state. There is a ton of risk involved in opening a club right now. They could be shut down at any time, losing any investment they have in rent, deposits, equipment all that expense... have cops stealing their cash or meds, ripping gardens... no fucking way I would do it right now. Way too risky. Expecting people just just put everything on line out of the kindness of their hearts is unrealistic. What we need to be fighting are the people threatening their existence, not the people pushing things forward. Those are the real enemies to us. Not some guys putting their ass on the line to make some money.
I don't know man. I am just a believer in liberty and free enterprise. If there is too much money in something, others will get involved and the market will correct itself. If that doesn't happen, then someone [like our government, for example] is either controlling the market or the price is appropriate. FREEDOM is what we need. Not pity because we can't afford something.
The clubs may have high prices, but battling them in their current form is counter productive IMO. You need to see the big picture and look to the future. The market is what determines price. The best way to fight that is to open up the market to competition. Shutting them down would be great for caregivers, but will do little if nothing to increase actual competition. What we need are MORE clubs and MORE caregivers. Overgrow this whole fucking state. There is a ton of risk involved in opening a club right now. They could be shut down at any time, losing any investment they have in rent, deposits, equipment all that expense... have cops stealing their cash or meds, ripping gardens... no fucking way I would do it right now. Way too risky. Expecting people just just put everything on line out of the kindness of their hearts is unrealistic. What we need to be fighting are the people threatening their existence, not the people pushing things forward. Those are the real enemies to us. Not some guys putting their ass on the line to make some money.
I don't know man. I am just a believer in liberty and free enterprise. If there is too much money in something, others will get involved and the market will correct itself. If that doesn't happen, then someone [like our government, for example] is either controlling the market or the price is appropriate. FREEDOM is what we need. Not pity because we can't afford something.
apothecarist
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and btw, I have seen a LOT of people like yourself get hooked up through AZCS and what they offer. People have driven across the state to help people in need. Had you even given them a chance, you might have witnessed it yourself.
No one should be smoking Mexican shit.
No one should be smoking Mexican shit.
apothecarist
Well-Known Member
So, what about the manufacturer of the computer you are using. You're supporting their Porsche payments. Or the owner of the grocery store you shop at. Or the bank you use. Or the etc etc etc....
This is America man.
Philosophist
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I dont know, im an independent person, i dont like the fact that AZCS required me to send in my ID and Med card to use there P2P site etc......plus i live in Tucson, and im not driving to Phx for weed fuck that.
Though i am disabled, and probably fall into the "in need" category, I dont like being needy and dont like that Azcs seemed to bend me over the barrel..i.e. "send us your ID and card info or we wont help you" and i dont like that.
but its all good, i didnt bring that up for pity, im cool smoking TONS of mexican weed, and i get descent stuff. Blaze like 15 joints a day.... cant WAIT for my crop to come in tho^^
scotty2hotty
Member
Being I live here for 7 months and now come to AZ. for the weather as i am a pain patient who got hurt in my early 20's Now I am 52 certainly not rich but feel so much better for the 5 months I am allowed down there.
What do the compassion clubs charge down there?
I also did the mexican thing last year but it doesn;t cut it.
Your gov. is very tough on weed & do not really understand why?
If they allowed it for all the war for the mexicans would be over for them.
The laws our so different in this continent.Killing people in mexico sending people to jail for weed in the US.I am a pain patient & it helps me so much & can feel 1/2 normal but I also take pills but with the weed it cut that down.Isn"t that the idea?
Luckly for now you don't get sent to jail for a bit of weed here in Canada.
And the process to grow is easy to get if you are in bad shape.
The US needs to change there views as its crazy.I see the shows on your jails and would hate to go there for a bag of weed that helps me walk and to work.
I hope I haven't insulted anyone by thought I would give you my 2 cents worth.
Also it is not a gateway drug there make out.I don't do coke or anything else or abuse my meds.I belong to a pain group who most are on very strong meds and I don;t so them becoming addicts.
What do the compassion clubs charge down there?
I also did the mexican thing last year but it doesn;t cut it.
Your gov. is very tough on weed & do not really understand why?
If they allowed it for all the war for the mexicans would be over for them.
The laws our so different in this continent.Killing people in mexico sending people to jail for weed in the US.I am a pain patient & it helps me so much & can feel 1/2 normal but I also take pills but with the weed it cut that down.Isn"t that the idea?
Luckly for now you don't get sent to jail for a bit of weed here in Canada.
And the process to grow is easy to get if you are in bad shape.
The US needs to change there views as its crazy.I see the shows on your jails and would hate to go there for a bag of weed that helps me walk and to work.
I hope I haven't insulted anyone by thought I would give you my 2 cents worth.
Also it is not a gateway drug there make out.I don't do coke or anything else or abuse my meds.I belong to a pain group who most are on very strong meds and I don;t so them becoming addicts.
Philosophist
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well thats the thing about capitalism, i choose to support the products and companies i believe in. I dont believe in the dispensary business model, weed is to easy to grow it shouldnt cost that much.....
i dont know how to make a processor, motherboard and all the part needed to make my own computer thus need companies to do it for em.
i dont know how to grow ALL my own food and raise my own meats animals, not on the scale required to sustain life....... thus i require a store to buy these things at.
any dope with seed and good soil can put weed plants out side and get smokable weed enough to support his own habit ezpz, this i can do it myself and dont think people shoudl be sheep and make someone rich, when they can do it themselves.
I dont use a bank so. dont know what to say there^^
apothecarist
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There are a few people who haven't sent in ID's, I can understand why. However, I see the smart side of what they're doing. They are doing the best they can to provide a safe environment for legal patients to exchange meds and protect their own asses at the same time. If there were offering a place for people to facilitate those exchanges without verifying eligibility, they would be opening themselves up to all kinds of problems.
And it's a shame you're cool smoking tons of mexican weed, because you hate "profiteers" here. Now you're just supporting the cartels who KILL their competition.
And it's a shame you're cool smoking tons of mexican weed, because you hate "profiteers" here. Now you're just supporting the cartels who KILL their competition.
apothecarist
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So wait.. you're OK supporting profiteers if you don't know how to make or grow their product. It's only a problem if you do? I don't get it. That's like me fighting grocery stores because I grow my own vegetables. Not everyone can do it, so obviously they have their place.
apothecarist
Well-Known Member
Most clubs are $50 an 1/8 or more. Some have "discount" meds for less.
davoswavos
Active Member
I can see why people would hesitate to give over copies of id and green card but once your in you can deal with people you know for a fact are legal patients and that seems it would be worth it
J9BLACK
Active Member
I am a member of the 2811 club and happily paid the high cover charge. Apoth is right. Competition breeds excellence, drops prices, increases quality and variety, and improves the level of service. I don't want my money supporting Mexican drug lords and the bloody carnage of life because of the war on drugs. I would rather MMJ be public but discreet, available but not as available as a pack of cigarettes.
The mistakes the 2811 club made are numerous and arrogant. Having a sign waiver/spinner on the street advertising free MMJ was dumb. Thumbing the nose at law enforcement, dumb. The club also did a lot of things right. Whether it is right enough or not, we'll see.
The mistakes the 2811 club made are numerous and arrogant. Having a sign waiver/spinner on the street advertising free MMJ was dumb. Thumbing the nose at law enforcement, dumb. The club also did a lot of things right. Whether it is right enough or not, we'll see.
J9BLACK
Active Member
Cannabis advocates for recreation or medicine need to drop the juvenile worship of the pot leaf symbol. The whole counter culture approach will doom our efforts to make the medicine discreetly available, safe, tested and competitively priced. I like the approach of the ASA and Greenbridge medical. It is time for the movement to grow up.
Lucius Vorenus
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Did they allow you to keep a copy of the paperwork you had to sign to get to be a member there? If so i'd love to see their wording and have my attorney look at it. Im curious if they have a chance at getting off on this.
jayco420
Active Member
Don't lie you'll come to phx for my weed.