2nd grow. C'99 and Super Lemon Haze(feminized)

looks interesting at a glance...can you provide a listing of what is in it exactly and the %'s?

hopeyougotadutch said:

So your NPK values are 7-0-4 and 4-3-6? That all your using?

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Ok, so I was running last week like my hair was on fire panicking and being very chaotic. I thought that I need to solve cal mag def as soon as possible and ordering stuff, then finding out that store cannot deliver grotek, then trying to google some european equivalent, also thinking that I cannot mix syntetic with organic. Anyway, I said that one of aptus products(Aptus bloom mix) has NPK of 7-0-4, not like others have high P and none of N, that's why aptus as a brand got my trust and I went for it's organic camg-boost.

Kite High said:

looks interesting at a glance...can you provide a listing of what is in it exactly and the %'s?

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so now I have:
BioBizz biogrow which has NPK - 4-3-6
I found specs by % only in french, but it's quite clear
Teneurs garanties en P/V Kg/100L :
* Nitrogen (N) 4%
- NH4 ammonium nitrogen 1,66%
- NO3 Nitrate 2,3%
* Phosphorous (P2O5) Soluble dans l'eau 3%
* Oxyde de Potassium (K2O) Soluble dans l'eau 6%

Aptus CaMg-boost which has NCaMg - 9-9-2
I was unable to find any percent for this one.

I also have 50ml sample of topviagra:
it has some mg some sulfur and as the name says it's PK boost. so I don't know whether I should use that at all

hopeyougotadutch said:

From what I understand, you want values equaling 3-1-2 or 1-1-1. For instance I'll be using a 5-5-5 (1-1-1 equivalent) and a 12-0-0 for extra nitrogen when it's needed.

So with that in mind, I think those together equal out pretty well. Might want to consider waiting on KH to confirm that before using them. The part where you mentioned it was NCaMg instead of NPK threw me too.

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yeah, I got myself into quite interesting situation, hopefully those ferts are any good cause I so much would like find a way to use it instead of buying something else again..

I watered on thursday with more biogrow nutes (~5ml/1L), on saturday I already noticed more smell, resin and some new growth on the bottomside branches,
on sunday I was watering C99 with camg-boost 1ml + 1ml of biogrow and now I see some more yeallowing leaves, so maybe that camg boost does not have a lot of N in it... thinking of increasing biogrow to 3-4ml +1ml of camg boost per liter. But the problem is that leaves are not only yellowing. they are bending downwards from the base and looking wilted, however they are not wilted. difficult to describe, I do not have any pictures for now, but I will post them tonight.
but to get the idea of what I'm talking about heres a similar leaf from another thread:
https://www.rollitup.org/attachments/newbie-central/1998771d1326619646-need-help-plz-my-first-fotografie0019.jpg
somebody on that thread suggested that it might be overwatering problem. Well trying to fix those nutes I'been watering plant every 3-4 days with 1liter of water. last grow plant was consuming at this time 1 liter per 3 days, on this grow both plants seem to be consuming way less water... maybe their root system is not that good... Also I quit adding vinegar. so now instead of pH ~6.3-6.9 I get 8.0-8.6. but since on UB thread people were discussing that mj is pH tolerant, so this might not be the issue... This grow is really giving me a lot of stress also SLH after giving 2ml/liter of biogrow again is showing N overfert. I saw two of the leaves starting to pale, so I thought it's about time to give SLH a bit of nutes, apparently not..

The only plant is that C99 clone is making me smile, non of the leaves yellowing, that 2.3 foot plant is all turning into one big cola. frosty and oily with dark green leaves. will try to make some pics after Ill get back from work.

Yea, def. get some pictures. I'll see if I can find anything on that Aptus.

Here are some pics.
C99(1st photo general view, the rest drying and yellowing leaves) :


C99 clone and it's cola (tried to make panorama pic cause it's too hard to get it into one pic):


SLH (looks not that bad on the whole, but it's so dark green, paper like, with top leaves canoeing. Its 2-3 bottom leaves a bit yellowing):


Hopefully there's enough pics to get the idea of what's going on. Also on c99 when I try to check if the soil is wet, my finger cannot go more than half inch, seems like roots tied the soil quite hard. Maybe roots does not get air or something.
IDK.. Even if it's only N def what's better to wait till soil will dry or water with N containing nutes right away?

Also today I got Golden Label for my next grow:
http://www.goldlabel.nl/87/Special-Mix.aspx
with specs:

Hmm...looks almost exactly like mine, only difference is, your leaves are wilting along with the yellowing. Possibly due to over-watering?

And I thought my last grow was stretchy.

well actually leaves are not only yellowing or wilting.
e.g. there are:
green leaves bended down
green leaves with dried and curled 1" long tips
green leaves with only tips yellowing
yellow leaves
yellow leaves bended
yellow with dried 1" tips
yellow and wilted
light green leaves which looks like next day will be more yellow.

well apparently they showing the same thing at different stage, but I would say that there is three main symptoms and I wonder if those address the same problem
1. tips are drying while leaves still stay green
2. leaf fingers hanging down
3. simple green to yellow fading until wilt/dry/drop. Well this one has to be N def, but what about previous 2?

We just need a fresh start sim. Are you giving her something mainly for nitrogen? That's gotta be our problem, I had all green during veg but then it went to crap when I flipped and decided to use the bulb food (bloom).

Been saying bloom food is bs

Kite High said:

Been saying bloom food is bs

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yes man, you said so many times, bloom high p sh..my 4-3-6 grow food is not perfect but maybe it can serve me together with camg boost ncamg 9-9-2 and after streching is done only with 436.. now i saw that im being very impatient, maybe i am not getting best harvest with that yellowing bottom leaves but buds are forming, all of the pistils are white and still there's a lot of buds to grow in those upcomming 3 weeks, also im getting some new resin and leaf grow, so for the next grow my concern will be mainly N. i really cannot get that feeling on what not to do until i will experience how to correctly and on time read my plant. but its so much fun, i already germed some tomatos and some catnip for my cats, and i can say, weeds get you closer to nature, growing is so much fun! jeeeesb that c99 is holding me, hopefully i do make some sense.. less than 3 weeks guys and we'll see how it turn out today is 35th day into flower, 17days to go

hopeyougotadutch said:

We just need a fresh start sim. Are you giving her something mainly for nitrogen? That's gotta be our problem, I had all green during veg but then it went to crap when I flipped and decided to use the bulb food (bloom).

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true, fresh start is the way to go. Correcting problems takes time and cannot be fully handed, while doing everything right from beginning is way easier, after you know what to do. No time and stress and energy wasted for both grower and the plant )

Now I am giving only grow food and camg boost. this morning I watered c99 with 4ml of 4-3-6(NPK) and 1ml of 9-9-2(N-Ca-Mg).
For SLH I made 1ml of grow and 1ml of camg, cause SLH still showing canoeing leaves, also new growth is very slow and dark green and little leaves that appear also have the very edges bended under showing some kind of something. I'm guessing that another way of saying "dude quit with that N already" Here's a close up of older pic, now that budsite is quite hairy but leaves still show the same signs:


Also I was thinking through my growing habits and I got two more questions.
I saw people saying "water till you will see runoff". I was watering all the time in a way so that nothing or few drops would start running off(1liter per 3gallons or 1.5liter per 4gallons of soil). But water sometimes goes along the side of pot faster than soil is absorbing it so maybe I water the plant not evenly. how much of runoff should I head for? Should I water with more water and keep that water for few minutes in a tray so soil could absorb some of it from bottom?

Also I remembered something about my tap water. When living in different area I used to deal a lot with lime in my kettle, but here, where I live now, my kettle never gets that or gets very little, so I guess my water is very low on Ca. Should I worry about that?

If you supplement CAL-MAG then low Cal ater is nothing

Water/feed to lotsa runoff...at least a 1/3 of what you put in and also make sure your medium is a fast draining mix

Kite High said:

If you supplement CAL-MAG then low Cal ater is nothing

Water/feed to lotsa runoff...at least a 1/3 of what you put in and also make sure your medium is a fast draining mix

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ha! thanks man, another dime into my grow knowledge moneybox.. im getting there, i also started reading mel franks insiders guide.. only 30 pages, but that man keeps it clear, so far loving it..

Kite, I see uplifting and trippy phenos are your priorities, i would really like to know what's ur favourite strain which could still be ordered out there? you said c99 due to fast flowering, is there something else you like where time is not a limiting factor? i wonder if there's something more trippy out there

http://www.herbiesheadshop.com/ace-zamaldelica-feminised-seeds-3849
http://www.herbiesheadshop.com/ace-malawi-feminised-seeds-3113
http://www.herbiesheadshop.com/ace-golden-tiger-feminised-seeds-3848
http://www.herbiesheadshop.com/cannabiogen-destroyer-feminised-seeds-1845
http://www.herbiesheadshop.com/cannabiogen-panama-feminised-seeds-2877

Kite, this is trully amazing.. omg, all of them, so difficult to chose from, in the site where i buy it says that panama is for advanced growers, is it true? also tiger, zama.. malawi and destroyer... its really impossible to choose malawi holding for 4hours??? only for experienced smokers??? jeeesh im so excited, but could you help me scale that selection i am worrying about
1. plants being stretchy, which one i could train in my grow area 3'x5'x3'? i would like to top my next grow
2. strain like tiger they say that it's semi stable, since i do not grow from 10 seeds and after selecting phenos stay with one mother, but pop one seed at a time instead, which one would be more likely to do what they say it will?
thank you man for sharing this, i really wanted some trippy/uplifting sativa recommendation from trusted source, not from advertisements or labels!

they are pure sativas so long and lanky...12/12 from seed and top is my rec....malawi and destroyer are the most stable...and this is in terms of less phenoes....haven't had or heard any hermy issues

Zamaldelica and Destroyer is on the way! I was too afraid to get gold tiger and malawi for now, due to the ace website saying

Overpowering psychedelic sativa effect, dense, stimulating and very long lasting. It may be devastating for beginners. Recommended only for the harder and most experienced sativa smokers.

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since I'm not daily toker, I got scared of a product that keeps you devastated for 4hours ))

this is a really good idea to start from seed in 12/12. In this case I can start those seeds like 2-3 weeks before harvesting my current plants. Maybe you have any idea what can I expect to harvest from those sativas starting them from seed with 12/12? is it realistic to expect 40g per plant?

getting back to the current grow, SLH seems to start building some nice buds with fat long pistils and looks like bottom leaves start paling, will try to water it after few days with more runoff and a bit more food, c99 clone is building cola like crazy, top is already 3 times fatter than other c99 buds and sticky omg... her's a pic:

and still all of her pistils are white. it was very difficult to take a pic with hps, but hopefully it will not hurt your eyes
main c99 looks somewhat alright, still doing some random yellowing but I already got used to that.. she's getting there, slowly, but getting. Fan leaves are very small comparing to the previous grow or clone from the previous grow, but I guess that's because it's lst'ed for too long. stems are too skinny for proper nutes uptake. Interesting one of 23 branches(smaller shoot) has 20% on brown pistils whereas all the others have none. So I guess very soon all of them is going to start turning brown.
May 11 will be 52days into flowering(16days left) will see

42 days into flower..
SLH continue on growing some buds, the main cola is long and skinny, maybe it will start getting fatter. Looking quite alright actually.
Clone slowed down on fattening it's cola, few brown pistils (10-20%) appeared on some lower bud sites. Even if it has like 10 leaves, still all big and green comparing to main c99.
Well C99 stems started bending down, branches cannot support the weight by themselves, even if colas are so rare and thin. Some smaller branches have 30% brown pistils, bigger branches almost does not have yet.. anyway in past two days, quite a lot appeared, so my guess in 10days will be ready to go, just as Kite said..

Today I dropped Zamadelnica and Destroyer into water, tomorrow will be planting them into 0.5gal containers. Decided to keep those seedlings in 18-20hour schedule untill topped, then after a week will flip to flower and if they are planning to outgrow my room, I'm gonna get them new room then )) arranged everything with my wife alr..

Nice. Hopefully we'll get to chop about the same time. Definitely got a lot more green leaves left than I do. New pictures coming?

Can't wait to see that destroyer.

simisimis said:

Zamaldelica and Destroyer is on the way! I was too afraid to get gold tiger and malawi for now, due to the ace website saying since I'm not daily toker, I got scared of a product that keeps you devastated for 4hours ))

this is a really good idea to start from seed in 12/12. In this case I can start those seeds like 2-3 weeks before harvesting my current plants. Maybe you have any idea what can I expect to harvest from those sativas starting them from seed with 12/12? is it realistic to expect 40g per plant?

getting back to the current grow, SLH seems to start building some nice buds with fat long pistils and looks like bottom leaves start paling, will try to water it after few days with more runoff and a bit more food, c99 clone is building cola like crazy, top is already 3 times fatter than other c99 buds and sticky omg... her's a pic:
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and still all of her pistils are white. it was very difficult to take a pic with hps, but hopefully it will not hurt your eyes
main c99 looks somewhat alright, still doing some random yellowing but I already got used to that.. she's getting there, slowly, but getting. Fan leaves are very small comparing to the previous grow or clone from the previous grow, but I guess that's because it's lst'ed for too long. stems are too skinny for proper nutes uptake. Interesting one of 23 branches(smaller shoot) has 20% on brown pistils whereas all the others have none. So I guess very soon all of them is going to start turning brown.
May 11 will be 52days into flowering(16days left) will see

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I have never 12/12'ed from seed any of them...zamaldelica is probably the most intense psychedelic of them all...lol...I 12/12'd from seed 2 c99's recently and they gave me almost 5 oz primo bud under 400 watt cmh

panama would probably be more to your liking