2nd grow, first journal.

My ph has been high, i only recently got the pen so im working on fixing it. today when I watered it was 6.3 going in(trying to offset a little, ill probably do 6.5 next watering). As for ppm, im growing in soil, so im not sure how I measure that. All I can say is that I only have two types of fertilizer. one is MG 12-4-8, which ive been avoiding using until today, the other is jamacian bat guano that is 1-10-1. Today I watered a light guano tea(about half what the guano bag says to use) with a tiny bit of MG for the N, I wanted to verify with you guys that my issue was N before I really attacked the problem, but at the same time I didnt want to do something that was combating a non existent issue. I just added a little MG because I figured it wouldn't hurt, and if that was the issue it would at least mitigate the issue until I got advice. Also, the stems have always looked that way. they have always been purplish, so i think thats a strain trait, could be wrong tho.

Treeonmyhead12 said:

Mini update:
While watering today I noticed that one of the plants has leaves fading to yellow. Looks like an N def to me, so I alittle 12-4-8, i know N isnt needed as much in flower so I only did a tad. Is that the right diagnosis? If so, will the yellowing leaves eventually return to their former glory, or are they done for?
View attachment 2531393 Cant believe how fast they yellowed, seemingly overnight.

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A lot of time late in flower this starts to happen but not this early. Usually this is cause by over nuting via tea etc. You will loss these leaves this far/early into flower and they wont return but you will get bud out of it. Not as much as if you had the leaves though. Using seabird gauno Ive never seen this happen with the slower release nugget pellets amended into soil (not using teas). Teas are trial and error and the error is loosing bud and plants. For 15 bucks seabird guano I bet you will be much happier with the results I suggested but you most likely listened to a salesmen or couldnt find the seabird. I swear its growing for dummys. dont panic just keep it up and you should be fine. trying to read defient plants is not easy and most dont get it right and/or over do it causing more issues.

Think I should flush on the next water and then just let them coast without nutes a while then?

up to you on this. I am on the fence about it either way. I mean IF your tea was say 1/4 to 1/2 strength amount needed then just continue normal cause flushing wont do anything but remove nuts. they need. If you made a powerful batch of tea and they continue to decline other then lossing the large fan leaves flush immediately with say 2 to 3 times the pot size (2 gal. pot just slowly put phed 6.2-6.5 water and let it drain thru 4 to 6 gals.) Make sure if possible the water was standing in a bucket for 24 hrs to remove clorene. Then you need to watch out to make sure the next watering is pretty dry unless you get the seabird stuff I suggest below cause now overwatering is in play but its better then lossing the plant bud alltogether.


Ill only mention it one more time because I think u having good success immediately is important to the hobby (as I am giving back what I learned). I just googled my preference sunleave seabird guano the best alround organic fert. and noticed they have been out of stock at the manufacture until now. http://www.sunleaves.com/default.asp guess cuase its unique bird do do they cant just make it...lol. Ask your hydro shop to order it or google buy it as retailers will be stocking up soon. I only recommend the pelletized from experience the new version 12-11-2 or older version 10-10-2. The liquid is another version I have yet to use noting different ratios. I'd get it asap and use a sharpe medium width size pen its about 1/2 inch to poke 3 holes in a triangle around the plant 2 inches deep. Then a good pinch or say 1/4 teaspoon seabird guano in each hole covering with soil. Water normal phd correct water. The issue with flushing in mid flower is they are in such need of nutrients now to make bud you are dam if you do and dam if you dont. The seabird should be amended to soil every 3 weeks till chop veg thru flower and it can and has rejuvinated dieing leaves to a point. For 9-15 bucks well worth it. Keep that other bat guano for experimenting on the next grow on a side by side plant test is my suggestion and dont buy any more nut. crap bloom, flush etc. etc etc. the store tries to sell you on. This suggestion is if you flush immediately. I;ll let others suggest if you stay with your current nut. program cause I dont wanna give un experienced advise. Always, using nuts u have no experience with use 1/4 suggested on a label or find a grow on here you see and like and ask the guy from his experience with that nut. his ratios. I got tired head....thats my suggestion.

This is a picture from today of the girl thats yellowed the most, seems to have stopped progressing, but i'll need a few more days to be able to tell for sure probably. Are those yellow leaves now worthless to the plant? Think it will effect the yield alot? Man I thought this grow was going so perfect compared to my first lol, then I burned the plants by not raising the light, and now this DANGIT! >;[

Is it possible to make a soil that has %100 of what a plant will need from clone to chop, such that you only have to water during the grow? Probably requires alot of ingredients because you can just load the soil up with short term nutes or the soil would be really hot, so you have to combine a little short term, with varying slow release nutes I expect. Guess I'll start lurking in the organics forum.

Looks like I have a long ways to go before people call me sensei

Week 6
Well, two of the plants are doing well, they're nice lush green. Other one, and I'm sure you can tell which one from the pictures has lost almost all of its fan leaves lol. It looks very bare and I'm not thinking its going to yield very much.

Guess the girls have about 3 weeks left? Last go round I think I chopped a little early, so I'm going to let it go a week longer.

looks good.

Relaxed, you've been very helpful, and have continued to come back so I can bounce ideas off you and hear what you have to say. I appreciate it a lot. I think i've finally decided that my plants are just exhibiting symptoms of being root bound. I think whats happening is the roots are filling the pot up somewhere in the stretch period, and then when teh buds start to develop, the plants starts killing off the fan leaves because it there isnt enough root mass to sustain both. (I read about the symptoms of being rootbound and my plants seem to exhibit them all). On top of that, as you know, I've gone threw almost every other idea I could find on the web that might explain my issues and not a one has worked.

So, od you think I should keep my 2 gallon pots, and instead of LST'ing early on, just flower asap. Or should try a change of pace and throw some clones in the two 5 gallon buckets I have on hand and see what I can do with them? Option 2 sounds fun to me, but my small light probably wouldn't be very good for it.

sounds like good ideas. Id start to upgrade gear as you go when money is available. Id use the 2 gals for clones only unless veged for a while in the future if you have the room and money get the superoots air pot 3 gal. for about 10bucks shipped as well as a deep dish tray for 2 bucks (very reusable hard plastic for the best aeration seen yet). Id get some sunleaves pelletized seabird guano for next grow at $15 bucks shipped. your learning a lot as you go but I am telling you how to be successful organic. No other nuts period. you have the watering mistakes learned from last grow and you most likely wont have that happen again. LST the plants after topped one time. Let me know how the clones work as they are ready now if rooted. I wouldn't ever start from seed 12/12. With all the time, effort and money invested you leave a lot on the table an additional 3/4 weeks veg. or more would improve yield. Ill check in if you need help, but just a few bucks to try these suggestions before moving on I recommend. you need to work toward a 400 watter when you wanna really start to play ball as well as top line genetics (can help suggest if needed). You see, a lot of the issues you are reading about are gone with the right pot/nut/water program that should be fine with your light for now.

Man, i would love 400w lol, i check craigslist regularly to see if anyones getting rid of one I can snag for cheap. Do you check for ripeness by looking at pistil color, or trich color, or both? I've got a lot or red hairs, but also some that are white, but no sign of cloud trichs yet.

For a while I went by pistil and tric colors from several areas on a plant. Its a personal thing. After a while now I just go by the breeders recommendation on time Plus 3 days to a week if the grow went well (normal no issues). Most of the time you get to know when a plant looks finished as they look tired and done as annual plants do. as for a new ballast 400 watter Id only buy direct from the manufacture and I like Lumetek. When electricity is in play I want no issues and cheap ballast often have RF signal issues. It will pay dividends big time.

Hey man, Girls lookin good! keep it up

I guess im just going to let them go even longer, I still see no amber trichs, not even on the sugar leaves.

what are you using to look at the trichs? Most people are using don't show that detail so they cont to look and now find. what week are you since flower started? pic