Kingrow1
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Of course, it sucks moisture out of the leaves forcing roots to drink more, its telling you to cut ferts a bit.
Welcome to the world of transpiration, your seeing how a real plant works.
3 day old seedlings, leaning to the side?? pics included
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Welcome to the world of transpiration, your seeing how a real plant works.
ItsJustMe84
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Funny enough you say that im litreally 24 hours into germanating 5 of my free seeds.. sam sara green love potion.. and blue cheese.. this time instead im putting in dixie cups as oppose to the 1 litre pots... like you said im not going to add any base nutes but i will add rhizotonic root stim.. that will leave me with a total of 24 babys... of course im not going to grow them all but surely ill get 12 good ones and the rest are all a good learning experience...
Its funny how ive never had much problems growing, using straight tap water with no ph adjustment and reading the nute bottle as a guideline.. yet soon as i start with all technical side i get problems haha only minor though. Main thing is they look healthy, its just a case of waiting for them to get abit stronger... i tested my ppm run off last night and it was lower than the actual solution i poured in, what do you make of that?
Kingrow1
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My advice on the fan is just basic biology, force the roots to drink. The ferts were too strong but i would rather you have the chance to work this out yourself.
Rhizotonic is nutrients, please try a couple in plain water no rhizo no ph no nothing. Ph up down is for ferts not tap water and its also a nutrient so steer clear for now.
Do this and learn for yourself, you even know it from your first seeds before you got all 'techie' you just wont accept it because everyone drills it into you how great rhizotonic is or ph up down or calmag and like a kid in a sweet shop you just cant help yourself.
Please document results of rhizo and tap water tests as i see you already tried .7ec and have pics. Would make a good thread possibly.
Rhizotonic is nutrients, please try a couple in plain water no rhizo no ph no nothing. Ph up down is for ferts not tap water and its also a nutrient so steer clear for now.
Do this and learn for yourself, you even know it from your first seeds before you got all 'techie' you just wont accept it because everyone drills it into you how great rhizotonic is or ph up down or calmag and like a kid in a sweet shop you just cant help yourself.
Please document results of rhizo and tap water tests as i see you already tried .7ec and have pics. Would make a good thread possibly.
Kingrow1
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ItsJustMe84
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The thing is when i used just water and the nutes i was adding double what i am now and i did have deficianys in every grow but they still turned out great.. but i totally get were your coming from theres so much to read, so much conflicting evidence, so many know it alls who try to tell you what to do, lucky for me i take everything with a pinch of salt as i have to find my own way but ill be sure to update this thread with my new pots.. and i will do 2 without anything.. just my tap water which is supposed to be some of the best in europe, and lets see how it goes.. tbh im hoping the simple approach works best because all this gets a little stressful thinking about it all the fucking time haha im a bad worrier when it comes to my babys anyway haha
Kingrow1
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This place is a culmination of many growers info and grows, expect a lot to be wrong and a lot to be right and that it is easier to test it out yourself.
What a perfect chance for you to experiment your self, you will have these now, rhizo and tap water and just tap water with results in a week or two.
My best advice has always been to find out for yourself. At school we grew many seedlings in a jar filled with tap water just fine and they had a lovely green colour. Only when cotyledons fade and yellow did they ever need ferts and this wasnt in the first few days of life.
I hope all goes well and you give us some solid results others can build on.
What a perfect chance for you to experiment your self, you will have these now, rhizo and tap water and just tap water with results in a week or two.
My best advice has always been to find out for yourself. At school we grew many seedlings in a jar filled with tap water just fine and they had a lovely green colour. Only when cotyledons fade and yellow did they ever need ferts and this wasnt in the first few days of life.
I hope all goes well and you give us some solid results others can build on.
ItsJustMe84
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My first grow which is all documented on here, i yielded 56 ounce off 9 plants, under 3 x 600w.. whatever i did the first time around i need to find out and do it again, but yeah theres plenty of experienced guys on here but none of that means shit if your not in the grow room, my first grow i had a grower a very experienced but very ignorant grower called uncle ben, who told me to throw away my plants and start again as they wasnt going to make it, he really had me worried, and i very nearlly chucked 4 weeks of work away and started again, he told me all my nutes were poison and snake oil, really knocked my confidence because of how highly regarded the guy was, but luckily i pushed on and produced the first and best grow ive ever done.. ever since then ive learned you cant do what other people tell you no matter how experienced, theres so many methods, so much to take in, no amount of pictures can tell a person whats really going on, hence why i take advice with a pinch of salt and work on it my own way..
Appreciate the advice and ill be sure to keep you updated..
ItsJustMe84
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Yep we will see who has the best water haha
Kingrow1
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Ill be a day or two behind you and more than willing to sacrifice my seeds to some tap water, they will be the freebie ones too. Ill post pics in day or so just hit me up here or on a new thread, pretty sure others will be intrested as well.
ItsJustMe84
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Yes well im most defiantly intrigued, ive just potted my 2 cheese in tap water thats been stood at room temp for over 24 hours, just been in my grow room and my babys seem to be maiking a full recovery, still a little bent, but for 5 days old i think there looking healthy and thats whats important... im actually looking foward to this little experiment.. i might just make a thread based on that experiment.. heres some pics of the bendy ones on the mend...
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Kingrow1
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Seeds came this morning and in some tap water ready to go in some peat cubes, one is just tap water, one 0.3ec and one 0.6ec of complete ferts ive already prepared.
Was going to use some root cubes, when they came the brand was Rootit and were already wet, i squeezwd a few drops from each into a small container and tested ec. They read 1.2ec so i was very dubious and settled on the peat pellets as they should be unfertilized. I will have to look into these root cubes but with a high ec ill leave them till i know why the ec was so high.
Seeds getting planted tonight should be seeing them again after weekend hopefully monday/tuesday.
Was going to use some root cubes, when they came the brand was Rootit and were already wet, i squeezwd a few drops from each into a small container and tested ec. They read 1.2ec so i was very dubious and settled on the peat pellets as they should be unfertilized. I will have to look into these root cubes but with a high ec ill leave them till i know why the ec was so high.
Seeds getting planted tonight should be seeing them again after weekend hopefully monday/tuesday.
Moldy
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They do look nice. All my babies are all fucked up compared to those. It's a good thing we don't smoke babies. I had one "stray" come up next to my 1 month old seedling and I dug it out with a tablespoon and stuck it in dirt. It was leaned over from the shock the next morning so I just build a little dirt mound around it and it's okay this morning. I wish I knew where it came from.
Kingrow1
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Left to right 0.0, 0.3 and 0.6ec
As in pictires 0.6 came up first and is most developed 0.0 germinated but has yet to stand up. 0.3 is the healthiest looking greenest thickest stem one. 0.6 has purple stem and 0.0 looks quite yellow still but has been in the light the shortest.
My favourite and greenest is 0.3 by far. If they last ill update in couple days at transplant. Major problems with propogator and got extremely hot so wasnt expecting much or some damage. 0.3 and 0.6 have tap roots an inch out of cube but 0.0 has a barely visable root just through the bottom netting.
As in pictires 0.6 came up first and is most developed 0.0 germinated but has yet to stand up. 0.3 is the healthiest looking greenest thickest stem one. 0.6 has purple stem and 0.0 looks quite yellow still but has been in the light the shortest.
My favourite and greenest is 0.3 by far. If they last ill update in couple days at transplant. Major problems with propogator and got extremely hot so wasnt expecting much or some damage. 0.3 and 0.6 have tap roots an inch out of cube but 0.0 has a barely visable root just through the bottom netting.
Cobnobuler
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So here we have 3 pages about a problem that doesn't exist.
ItsJustMe84
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So heres mine, out of the 4 i potted on saturday night, only 1 of the tap water only seeds made it above soil, and both of the light nute mix with a ph of 5.8 broke soil.. heres a pic, you can see the clear difference in size.. the 2 tall ones are the light nute mix namely canna a and b, plus rhizotonic.
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Kingrow1
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Two tests show the same thing, light ferts for seedlings, stems look nice and thick on two of yours just like my 0.3ec ones.
Im re-running my 0.3 with two more good seeds as 0.6 gave me a purple stem not green.
I am fast coming to the conclusion 0.3ec is about best for germination, which seems a lot lower than fertilizer companies would have me at.
Quite happy to get to the bottom of that one
ItsJustMe84
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Well my low ec tank contained 4x less than the reccomemded dose on the bottle, i know the owners of these nute brands want you to use more so you buy more but this sounds like there advising you to fuck your plants up lol even the calculated grow chart is double the dose im now giving all my babies.. heres a couple of pics of my 9 day old babys.. since reducing the feed they are looking so much better.. as the saying goes "less is more" great lesson learned... this post may of started out as a noobs paranoia but it turned into something quite beneficial and could be also beneficial for the one who read it also.Two tests show the same thing, light ferts for seedlings, stems look nice and thick on two of yours just like my 0.3ec ones.
Im re-running my 0.3 with two more good seeds as 0.6 gave me a purple stem not green.
I am fast coming to the conclusion 0.3ec is about best for germination, which seems a lot lower than fertilizer companies would have me at.
Quite happy to get to the bottom of that one
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Kingrow1
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I know the link is bad for RiU but it is to a similar experiment and by that scientific standard i think it should remain as describes a similar thing to what we have done of which i cant find on RiU
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=205523
Confirms our data as well.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=205523
Confirms our data as well.