3 days on jack's 5-12-26 and the plants are loving it! Bye bye General Hydroponics forever

jonnynobody

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So how's the Jack's doing now @jonnynobody ?

I've had to raise my EC to 2.2 recently. Had a few plants late in veg (7+ weeks) that started showing Calcium deficiencies @ 1.8 and I'm still battling P/K/Mg deficiencies starting a week after flip.
I figured I'd try running @ their recommended EC now that I'm getting my leds and heat figured out. Hopefully that will solve the problems.
I'm glad you asked. It's going great so far! Maui waui is always the first to finish and the buds clipped on the first day of trimming are dry enough to sample. All I can say is wow! I've grown mw for over 2 years now and it's never been this effing potent or smooth smoking. I rolled up a jibber and burned down with my neighbor who lives behind me. He did not care for the last 2 cycles of maui. Halfway through the joint he straight tells me he can't hardly believe it's the same strain. I would agree. It's different as if the genetics reached their full intended potential. I use to tell people maui waui is a good day time smoke. That shit is out the window this cycle. It puts me down. Hard. Bowl burns to a clean fluffy gray ash. I can hear the sizzle of the resin as the bowl burns down. Turn it over. Tap it in my hand. Whole ash comes right out leaving the bowl ready for a clean wipe with toilet paper. My last maui with GH maxi burned to a hard black ash that had to be dug out with a toothpick. I actually use to keep a mechanics poker on my tray because that's just how it was. Jack's grown maui burns just like my old school soil grown buds did. Smooth to the last hit. No nasty yuck taste as the bowl burns like last cycle.

I think the difference is truly the 321 system and while I think the 7-15-30 is a great way to finish the plants it's not something I can say will make a huge difference because I haven't done a controlled test yet. I'll continue using it because jack's recommends it, and I tend to trust their advice at this point. It isn't as if it's an expensive product or anything like that, so I pulled the trigger and am happy to incorporate it into my flower routine. I have been doing a 3 day plain RO water leech prior to harvest day on all of the plants. I feel 3 days is sufficient enough. I use to discontinue fertilizer input 7 days prior to harvest in soil, so I figured halve that amount in hydro since there's no soil buffer between the roots and the elements. The maui results confirmed for me that 3 days is plenty. I'm very excited to see how jager, ghost train, critical mass, and girl scout cookies turns out from a smoke report perspective. They all are frostier with more intense aromas. If the quality improves on those strains the same way maui did this is going to be monumental for me. I've been chasing this soil quality in hydro for over 10 years. Thanks to Jack's I finally found my unicorn :)
 

jonnynobody

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By the way I no longer use epsom salt in veg. It caused tip burn which went away completely with the omission of epsom from the 321 system. Just 5-12-26 @4g/gallon and calcium nitrate at 2.4g/gallon. 700-750ppm. PH to 5.8. Rock out :)

Of course I will add the epsom in flower. Need that sulfur for fat stinky buds. It's just unnecessary added mag sulfate in veg the plants don't need.
 

jonnynobody

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I keep forgetting shit. Sorry. Neighbor who loves to go to the legal dispensaries insisted on giving me a pack of gummies. Ate all of 'em in one shot. 100mg pack. That was 7:30 last night. I'm still fucked right this second today. Had a little more kick than I expected. I think their dosage label was incorrect. That or I'm just a fucking light weight that can't hold his gummies :)

I also found that I had to reduce my 110w boards by 25% in one of my 5x5 nurseries due to light burn. Within 2 days after decreasing the intensity as well as omitting the epsom salt not only did the burned foliage stop lush new growth started popping out everywhere in the canopy. I'll snap a pic later if I think about it. LED light burn often looks like a variety of deficiencies. I'm a little concerned about how your plants will respond to such a high EC. Are you certain it isn't light burn from the qb's? That's a big new change for you. Not only have you switched to a new fertilizer you've switched to a completely new lighting system that is a lot different than those HID's, so I just wanted to throw that out there regarding the light being a possible source of your problems. I literally had to reduce power on two 110w qb's by 25%. What the heck is that tent operating at now? 175w in a 5x5? And the plant looks amazing. Fuck it. I'm snapping a pic. I'll be back :)
 

jonnynobody

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Lay down some pipe and let the intensity rain down once you're in flower on a 12/12 cycle, but LED's do not need to be intense in veg. It does not accelerate growth. It only causes problems.
 

Arkos

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Sorry for hijacking the thread...
Fucking Europe, peters professional 5-11-26 is only available in the U.s.

My Mega crop 2 part is done and due to Brexit I can't buy more, I have weeks left of flowering, what can I do ? :o

I can get Universol basis 4-19-35 or peters combi sol 6-18-36, thoughts anyone ?
 

jonnynobody

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Sorry for hijacking the thread...
Fucking Europe, peters professional 5-11-26 is only available in the U.s.

My Mega crop 2 part is done and due to Brexit I can't buy more, I have weeks left of flowering, what can I do ? :o

I can get Universol basis 4-19-35 or peters combi sol 6-18-36, thoughts anyone ?
Man I'm sorry to hear about that. No need for apologies. We're all here to help one another. The 6-18-36 sounds fairly close to the 5-12-26 ratios. If that is available to you I would check it out. Also, you could switch to the general hydroponics flora series. It's not as cheap as mega crop or jack's, but it will get you to harvest day without a problem and you should be very happy with your results.
 

Arkos

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Also, you could switch to the general hydroponics flora series. It's not as cheap as mega crop or jack's, but it will get you to harvest day without a problem and you should be very happy with your results.
Thanks for the input bro, I did actually order Maxi bloom last night to get me through this crop but I'm looking to switch over to something like Jack's so I can scale up as needed :blsmoke:

I used to use Floranova with excellent results.

Lol, had some advanced noobients laying around plants are starting to look fucked up after 2-3 feeds with that shit...
 
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.Smoke

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Lay down some pipe and let the intensity rain down once you're in flower on a 12/12 cycle, but LED's do not need to be intense in veg. It does not accelerate growth. It only causes problems.
I've dropped down to a 100w Qboard for veg. Definitely don't need anything more atm after moving 2 into flower.
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Everything that didn't already have issues is looking great. Definitely no light burn @ 16"-20" 100% power.
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I upped EC from 1.8 to 2.1 about 3 days ago. Keeping an eye out for burns.
 

jonnynobody

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I've dropped down to a 100w Qboard for veg. Definitely don't need anything more atm after moving 2 into flower.
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Everything that didn't already have issues is looking great. Definitely no light burn @ 16"-20" 100% power.
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I upped EC from 1.8 to 2.1 about 3 days ago. Keeping an eye out for burns.
Your results speak for themselves. I'm very impressed by the lushness of your canopy. There's not a single sign of unhappiness going on in there. Beautiful work sir.
 

jonnynobody

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How long does it take to veg a monster like that? And what do you do training wise?
That plant got that big due to a mistake. I clipped too many clones and had no room for her in the flower room last cycle. In a nutshell she's vegged for about 16 weeks now. I usually veg for 8-9. Topping is required as the plant reaches for the ceiling to get her to bush out and stop vertical growth. I like garden stakes for tying off and pulling the branches apart. I have to be careful though, because it has to fit through the flower room door for the 12/12 cycle. It's going to be very tight.
 

jonnynobody

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Home stretch ladies and gentlemen. Trimming 12 hours/day at this point. Back is effing killing me. I need to find one of those auto trimming strains I keep hearing about. The leaves just fall off on their own. Really cool stuff. I can dream can't I? :)

2 critical mass's, 2 blue dreams, and some fragments of small pop corn nugs off jager. The flowers on critical mass are definitely the heaviest of the bunch. Jager was a close second. Every plant has been an absolute bitch to trim because of the resin production. I keep a shot glass full of 93% iso on the trim table and dip/wipe after every cola. I've had a chance to sample the ghost train which is the same cut I grew last cycle. It's not only smooth, but much more potent this cycle running jack's. No harshness that makes you hack your lungs out like last time. And it was so dam strong I took my gloves off at the trim table, stood up, and I had no idea why. I had to sit back down and pull my shit together because I was that effing stoned. I just wasn't expecting it. I'm very much looking forward to sampling the critical mass and jager when it's ready. So far it seems every strain is now living up to it's full genetic potential running jack's. I could not be more satisfied. Well, I guess I could. If this shit trimmed itself :)

CM gets chopped next then blue dreams. I might take the rest of jager for hash. I'm tired of trimming small buds. Here are the pics of what's left at day 69 of flower:

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Yeah, I moved the tomato plants in there. Dam nursery was too tight and it's too cold outside still to put them in the garden:
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kingjackpot23

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GH is in bed with Monsato. Nobody should run that shit. They don't give f about the customer or the plant, are a mega corp in it purely for profit. Plenty of better stuff to choose from.

There's a really good YouTube vid where a professor dude gives a lesson on how to grow. He reckons the best fert is a basic 20-20-20 from seedling to harvest, and he was using jacks, growing in Coco with 50% vermiculite for silica.

Doesn't mean I listened. I still run expensive premium cannabis specific stuff because I like the company. Shit works pretty dam good too.
I think you're talking about Busby. He uses Peat
 

jonnynobody

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So something interesting has happened with only 1 of 5 strains I ran last cycle. I'm still trying to crunch the data to figure out what happened. I'm fairly certain I'll be experimenting with the next flower cycle. What happened? Jager, maui waui, ghost train, and critical mass all turned out fantastic. Great flavor, clean gray ash burn, and outstanding potency. Blue dream was a massive yield with sticky fragrant rock hard buds. It's not smooth. The flavor is nothing like the aroma and is undesirable in my opinion. It does not taste good. It doesn't taste like dispensary pot, but with the other 4 strains turning out so remarkably tasty I'm a little baffled as to what occurred with blue dream that caused an unexpected variance. I have a couple of theories. I'm not sure if I will continue to use or recommend the jack's 7-15-30 finish formula. I have to experiment before I make a decision. The 2 blue dreams are the only 2 plants that received 2 weeks of the 7-15-30 + a 7 day plain water irrigation. They are the worst tasting plants of the garden, and they also happen to be the only plants that received the 7-15-30 for a full 14 days. The others received approximately 7 days. I strongly suspect running the 7-15-30 for longer than 7 days produced an undesirable flavor in my 2 blue dreams. I provided only a 3 day plain water irrigation on my other plants. I do not feel an extra 4 days of plain water irrigation would cause this. I'm zeroing in on the 7-15-30. The blue dream I harvested about a month ago received no 7-15-30. Only the jack's 3-2-1. It had a fruity enjoyable flavor. It still wasn't amazing, but it was acceptable with a nice fruity finish. The 2 blue dreams I harvested recently with the 7-15-30 applied for 14 days does not taste anything like the blue dream I harvested a month ago.


So, I'm running an experiment next cycle. What will I do? I'm only going to run the 3-2-1 on half the garden all the way up until the 3 day plain water irrigation. The other half of the garden will get the 7-15-30 for only 7 days followed by plain water irrigation for 3 days. I think running it for 14 days caused negative results. On the package they clearly state 1-2 weeks. Knowing all fertilizer manufacturer's suggest using too much I should have stuck with the lower end recommendation of 1 week. Live and learn. It's really a let down because the buds are stupid potent. I can't hardly smoke the stuff during the day because I won't get anything done. The flavor just isn't where I want it, so I'm going to run this experiment and get to the bottom of this problem. Also, the blue dream does not burn to as clean of an ash as the other strains. I really feel the 7-15-30 may be not only unnecessary, but may also produce undesirable flavors. It'll be 3 months before I have an answer to this issue. I'll post my results when it's done.
 

jcdws602

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So something interesting has happened with only 1 of 5 strains I ran last cycle. I'm still trying to crunch the data to figure out what happened. I'm fairly certain I'll be experimenting with the next flower cycle. What happened? Jager, maui waui, ghost train, and critical mass all turned out fantastic. Great flavor, clean gray ash burn, and outstanding potency. Blue dream was a massive yield with sticky fragrant rock hard buds. It's not smooth. The flavor is nothing like the aroma and is undesirable in my opinion. It does not taste good. It doesn't taste like dispensary pot, but with the other 4 strains turning out so remarkably tasty I'm a little baffled as to what occurred with blue dream that caused an unexpected variance. I have a couple of theories. I'm not sure if I will continue to use or recommend the jack's 7-15-30 finish formula. I have to experiment before I make a decision. The 2 blue dreams are the only 2 plants that received 2 weeks of the 7-15-30 + a 7 day plain water irrigation. They are the worst tasting plants of the garden, and they also happen to be the only plants that received the 7-15-30 for a full 14 days. The others received approximately 7 days. I strongly suspect running the 7-15-30 for longer than 7 days produced an undesirable flavor in my 2 blue dreams. I provided only a 3 day plain water irrigation on my other plants. I do not feel an extra 4 days of plain water irrigation would cause this. I'm zeroing in on the 7-15-30. The blue dream I harvested about a month ago received no 7-15-30. Only the jack's 3-2-1. It had a fruity enjoyable flavor. It still wasn't amazing, but it was acceptable with a nice fruity finish. The 2 blue dreams I harvested recently with the 7-15-30 applied for 14 days does not taste anything like the blue dream I harvested a month ago.


So, I'm running an experiment next cycle. What will I do? I'm only going to run the 3-2-1 on half the garden all the way up until the 3 day plain water irrigation. The other half of the garden will get the 7-15-30 for only 7 days followed by plain water irrigation for 3 days. I think running it for 14 days caused negative results. On the package they clearly state 1-2 weeks. Knowing all fertilizer manufacturer's suggest using too much I should have stuck with the lower end recommendation of 1 week. Live and learn. It's really a let down because the buds are stupid potent. I can't hardly smoke the stuff during the day because I won't get anything done. The flavor just isn't where I want it, so I'm going to run this experiment and get to the bottom of this problem. Also, the blue dream does not burn to as clean of an ash as the other strains. I really feel the 7-15-30 may be not only unnecessary, but may also produce undesirable flavors. It'll be 3 months before I have an answer to this issue. I'll post my results when it's done.
Was there any increase in yield or difference in trichome production ? Any other noticeable difference other than the unfavorable taste?
 

jonnynobody

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Was there any increase in yield or difference in trichome production ? Any other noticeable difference other than the unfavorable taste?
Without doing a controlled test it's really hard to accurately answer that question. I will say all plants received the 7-15-30. The only variance was how long each plant received it ranging from 6-14 days and how long each plant had plain water irrigation ranging from 4 days to 7 days. The only real measurement I can take is GPW. I'll compare the ratio from this harvest and the last and that should give me a rough shot estimate as to whether or not the finish formula produced any extra weight.

All strains are off the charts potent compared to last cycle. My only gripe is BD just missed the mark on that fruity flavor I was shooting for. I'll try 7 days of 7-15-30 on the next cycle on one bd and no 7-15-30 on another. I'll see if there is any flavor variance. Should be interesting to see how things shake out.

Everything except blue dream tastes phenomenal. Ghost train tasted like trash last cycle and it was harsh. This time it's flavorful and more potent. It's actually my favorite strain to smoke this time. That was completely unexpected. Jager doesn't even taste like the same strain I grew last cycle. It's just amazing.

Now I will say some strains genetically just don't have the muster to grow tasty flowers that please the pallet. This particular line of bd seeds might just be that type of strain. I'm doing a solid cure on it all for a good 30 days to see if stewing in it's own delicous aroma helps improve the flavor. The aroma is really the tits. I'm really hoping a long cure infuses that aroma as a flavor. I'll report back in a month how it goes.
 

Sofa King Smoooth

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Without doing a controlled test it's really hard to accurately answer that question. I will say all plants received the 7-15-30. The only variance was how long each plant received it ranging from 6-14 days and how long each plant had plain water irrigation ranging from 4 days to 7 days. The only real measurement I can take is GPW. I'll compare the ratio from this harvest and the last and that should give me a rough shot estimate as to whether or not the finish formula produced any extra weight.

All strains are off the charts potent compared to last cycle. My only gripe is BD just missed the mark on that fruity flavor I was shooting for. I'll try 7 days of 7-15-30 on the next cycle on one bd and no 7-15-30 on another. I'll see if there is any flavor variance. Should be interesting to see how things shake out.

Everything except blue dream tastes phenomenal. Ghost train tasted like trash last cycle and it was harsh. This time it's flavorful and more potent. It's actually my favorite strain to smoke this time. That was completely unexpected. Jager doesn't even taste like the same strain I grew last cycle. It's just amazing.

Now I will say some strains genetically just don't have the muster to grow tasty flowers that please the pallet. This particular line of bd seeds might just be that type of strain. I'm doing a solid cure on it all for a good 30 days to see if stewing in it's own delicous aroma helps improve the flavor. The aroma is really the tits. I'm really hoping a long cure infuses that aroma as a flavor. I'll report back in a month how it goes.
Curious what you use for pH adjustments?
 

jonnynobody

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Curious what you use for pH adjustments?
Milwaukee MW102

I also use a blue lab PH meter with remote probe via BNC connector. They don't sell them anymore though since they came out with the leap probe. Now they want you to spend an arm and a leg for their latest and greatest. Those probes are really nice, but absolutely not worth what they're asking.

Just found this blue lab combo meter on clearance @ $140 on amazon:

That's cheaper than I paid for the PH meter only. I'd snag that in a heart beat if I was in the market. I prefer Neptune brand PH probes. They are expensive @ $75/each, but the lightning fast readings and high accuracy are worth the extra money.
 

Sofa King Smoooth

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Milwaukee MW102

I also use a blue lab PH meter with remote probe via BNC connector. They don't sell them anymore though since they came out with the leap probe. Now they want you to spend an arm and a leg for their latest and greatest. Those probes are really nice, but absolutely not worth what they're asking.

Just found this blue lab combo meter on clearance @ $140 on amazon:

That's cheaper than I paid for the PH meter only. I'd snag that in a heart beat if I was in the market. I prefer Neptune brand PH probes. They are expensive @ $75/each, but the lightning fast readings and high accuracy are worth the extra money.
Thank you. Very good info, I was asking about the actual chemical or product you use for pH adjustment of the nutrient solution.

My bad I wasnt clear but the info is a plus.
 
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