3 to 4 week old seedlings too small?

fatboyOGOF

Well-Known Member
howdy.

I've grown for quite awhile, took a year break and am growing again. I planted these seedlings about 4 weeks ago. I don't recall seedlings being this small after a month.

i moved and my water is a bit harder and i used supersoil instead of a soil without ferts.

any idea why these seem to have stopped growing? I'm using a 250 watt MH for veg. i don't believe i overwatered them.

because the soil had nutes i haven't used any yet. the genetics are all F2s i bred and are all good quality.

because i'm lazy and didn't get to the hydro store, i just used soil, no perlight, guano etc.

 

travon

Member
howdy.

I've grown for quite awhile, took a year break and am growing again. I planted these seedlings about 4 weeks ago. I don't recall seedlings being this small after a month.

i moved and my water is a bit harder and i used supersoil instead of a soil without ferts.

any idea why these seem to have stopped growing? I'm using a 250 watt MH for veg.

because the soil had nutes i haven't used any yet. the genetics are all F2s i bred and are all good quality.

because i'm lazy and didn't get to the hydro store, i just used soil, no perlight, guano etc.

4 weeks are u serious whats the npk percentage of that soil u should be at least at 6 to 8 inches by now more info would be helpful
 

keico

Well-Known Member
I agree with the above 3-4 weeks they should be much bigger.

Some questions for you. ?

How far away is the lights, and what is your temperature also

I also see you your seedling are suffering from nute burn. That soil is to hot for seedings.

The super soil is to be used after you have established a good root system.

Just hope they survive
 

fatboyOGOF

Well-Known Member
4 weeks are u serious whats the npk percentage of that soil u should be at least at 6 to 8 inches by now more info would be helpful
yep, 4 weeks since they popped out of the soil. the NPK is 0.14 - 0.09 - 0.02.

i was hoping the reaction would be they don't look too small! lol. :wall:

i've used supersoil for seedlings before and didn't notice any problems. i'm thinking it's the hardness of the water as i never had problems before at my old place. different cities a few miles apart.

the seedlings in the larger pot were just put into cups. i mixed in a good amount of perlight this time. man i'm bummed. i guess i'll start again. i always breed so i have plenty of seedlings. :)

i may have to acutally buy reefer! outrageous! :cuss:
 

fatboyOGOF

Well-Known Member
I agree with the above 3-4 weeks they should be much bigger.

Some questions for you. ?

How far away is the lights, and what is your temperature also

I also see you your seedling are suffering from nute burn. That soil is to hot for seedings.

The super soil is to be used after you have established a good root system.

Just hope they survive
lights are far enough. maybe 6 to 8 inches. i check the heat with my hand. room temp is in the 70s so that is fine.

you think that's nute burn huh? makes sense. i had things dailed in so well for so long it's odd to be off to such a bad restart. i think i may toss them all and start over with some black gold soil which was all i used for 15 years. i hate new neighborhoods. thanks guys. i'm going shopping tomorrow and will do it right this time. crap! being lazy always gets me in trouble! :)
 

Pipe Dream

Well-Known Member
could be lots of things. it might be that the soil is not draining good since there's no perlite. If they are staying too moist the roots cannot breathe. I think that compounded with the high nute levels and possible bad water have caused this stunting. Check the root systems in those are they healthy and white and needing transplant-I bet not.
 

travon

Member
yep, 4 weeks since they popped out of the soil. the NPK is 0.14 - 0.09 - 0.02.

i was hoping the reaction would be they don't look too small! lol. :wall:

i've used supersoil for seedlings before and didn't notice any problems. i'm thinking it's the hardness of the water as i never had problems before at my old place. different cities a few miles apart.

the seedlings in the larger pot were just put into cups. i mixed in a good amount of perlight this time. man i'm bummed. i guess i'll start again. i always breed so i have plenty of seedlings. :)

i may have to acutally buy reefer! outrageous! :cuss:
what the ppms of your water? do you drink it? is it well water Ive used mg soil with more npk percentage then that if there not dead then they have a chance I also took a couple of year off and got to get things fine tune especially if using different nutes that you havent in the pass
 

fatboyOGOF

Well-Known Member
i appreciate your comments guys. i smiling but only because i'm still smoking some sensi star.

i'm going to toss em and start over. i hate losing a month as i spent the last 12 months chomping at the bit to grow again but after all the stress they have gone through, i'm not going to waste another 2 to 3 months for a tiny harvest.

i'm retired so it's not like i have anything else to do! :)
 

fatboyOGOF

Well-Known Member
fatboy post a closeup of that orange pot with all the seedlings coming up together...
here you go. i just tossed some sensi seeds in and put a bit of soil on top. they were not deep enough as some roots popped out of the soil. lol. jeeze i feel like a newb. Haste makes waste!!! i just ordered 20 matanuska tundra beans from doc chronic. good thing i practiced first!

 

fatboyOGOF

Well-Known Member
split those up before the roots get tangeled and you have to throw the hole lot out ,they look healthy

yep. i transplanted them this morning. the roots from all the other seedlings are white and healthy but this stunted growth is too much.

i like this site. you guys are alright! after the overgrow blowup i just don't post much anymore. fatboyOGOF (overgrow old fart!) :)
 

robert 14617

Well-Known Member
we all make simple mistakes thats why we get together on these sites we learn from each other ,good or bad ...............rob
chck out the grow FAQ's just packed with great info
What are some causes of slow plant growth?

Contributed by: tOkE_tHe_DoPe
Thanks to: Ranger2000, 10k, Hopefulgrower, Snoofer
Submitted: 15-02-2003

Overwatering
Soil moisture that is not absorbed rapidly turns stagnant; the plant quickly uses up any oxygen within the water, then is unable to respire further, resulting in moisture low in o2. Pythium thrives in low-oxygen (anaerobic) conditions.

In short, overwatering will slowly suffocate your roots, preventing sufficient oxygen uptake by the roots, and ultimately causing root rot.

Soil with high bark content
This can cause a “bonsai” effect. The roots will not be able to grow through the bark, preferring to grow around the chunks of bark. This slows down root growth and most obviously plant growth. Ive encounter this recently; once transplanted into proper soil, they have shown remarkable recovery.

[Editor's note: bark is quite acidic, may may afect soil water pH]

Light deprivation
Although your plant may be receiving light, particular strains may require higher light levels than others. A recommended light level for full bud development is 50 watts/m2. Full sunlight is 100,000 lumens max.

Low nutrient strength
The plant is unable to acquire the necessary amounts of nutrients to sustain high growth rates. Large and mature plants can take higher nutrient strengths.

Nutrient strength is also related to the light intensity; plants under fluorescent lights usually require a lower nutrient concentration than under HIDs.

Nutrient lockup
Adding too much of a nutrient (ex. Magnesium) can “lockup” one or more nutrients, rendering them chemically unavailable to the plant. Nutrient lockup can occur at extreme pH ranges (ie. under 5.0, over 7.0).

by Ranger2000:

Light spectrum
Light that does not contain enough red spectrum (too much blue)
Light spectrum can have a dramatic effect on plant growth, with different ligh frequencies affecting different photosynthetic processes within the leaf. Selecting a blue spectrum in a vegetative growth phase is preferred, with red spectrum in flowering.

pH
pH is too high or too low (ie. acidic soil. The plants come out as mutants).
Plants are unable to absorb nutrients, or in adequate quantities within certain pH ranges. Optimum pH varies with each medium. Hydroponics and aeroponics: 5.6-5.8. Soilless: 6.0-6.3 Soil: 6.5-7.0.

Many soilless mixtures can be fairly acidic, due to their high % bark content.

Low temperatures
Plant metabolism will decrease at low temperatures. Chemical reactions within the plant will take longer. Optimum plant growth often requires close temperature regulation; daytime temperatures between 25C and 30C are preferred. Differences in daytime and nighttime temps should not be dramatic, as this difference may shock the plant.

by 10K:

Low soil / medium temp
Evaporation from a medium (i.e. peat pots) tends to chill the medium quite a bit due to the evaporative cooling effect. As the peat pot warms, it draws moisture outward, the evap effect cools the peat (like sweating). New growers often make the mistake of adding excessive amounts of water, resulting in cold soil, poor root formation and slowed growth
Added on: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 Viewed: 9213 times
 

fatboyOGOF

Well-Known Member
we all make simple mistakes thats why we get together on these sites we learn from each other ,good or bad ...............rob
chck out the grow FAQ's just packed with great info
What are some causes of slow plant growth?

Contributed by: tOkE_tHe_DoPe
Thanks to: Ranger2000, 10k, Hopefulgrower, Snoofer
Submitted: 15-02-2003

Overwatering
Soil moisture that is not absorbed rapidly turns stagnant; the plant quickly uses up any oxygen within the water, then is unable to respire further, resulting in moisture low in o2. Pythium thrives in low-oxygen (anaerobic) conditions.

In short, overwatering will slowly suffocate your roots, preventing sufficient oxygen uptake by the roots, and ultimately causing root rot.

Soil with high bark content
This can cause a “bonsai” effect. The roots will not be able to grow through the bark, preferring to grow around the chunks of bark. This slows down root growth and most obviously plant growth. Ive encounter this recently; once transplanted into proper soil, they have shown remarkable recovery.

[Editor's note: bark is quite acidic, may may afect soil water pH]

Light deprivation
Although your plant may be receiving light, particular strains may require higher light levels than others. A recommended light level for full bud development is 50 watts/m2. Full sunlight is 100,000 lumens max.

Low nutrient strength
The plant is unable to acquire the necessary amounts of nutrients to sustain high growth rates. Large and mature plants can take higher nutrient strengths.

Nutrient strength is also related to the light intensity; plants under fluorescent lights usually require a lower nutrient concentration than under HIDs.

Nutrient lockup
Adding too much of a nutrient (ex. Magnesium) can “lockup” one or more nutrients, rendering them chemically unavailable to the plant. Nutrient lockup can occur at extreme pH ranges (ie. under 5.0, over 7.0).

by Ranger2000:

Light spectrum
Light that does not contain enough red spectrum (too much blue)
Light spectrum can have a dramatic effect on plant growth, with different ligh frequencies affecting different photosynthetic processes within the leaf. Selecting a blue spectrum in a vegetative growth phase is preferred, with red spectrum in flowering.

pH
pH is too high or too low (ie. acidic soil. The plants come out as mutants).
Plants are unable to absorb nutrients, or in adequate quantities within certain pH ranges. Optimum pH varies with each medium. Hydroponics and aeroponics: 5.6-5.8. Soilless: 6.0-6.3 Soil: 6.5-7.0.

Many soilless mixtures can be fairly acidic, due to their high % bark content.

Low temperatures
Plant metabolism will decrease at low temperatures. Chemical reactions within the plant will take longer. Optimum plant growth often requires close temperature regulation; daytime temperatures between 25C and 30C are preferred. Differences in daytime and nighttime temps should not be dramatic, as this difference may shock the plant.

by 10K:

Low soil / medium temp
Evaporation from a medium (i.e. peat pots) tends to chill the medium quite a bit due to the evaporative cooling effect. As the peat pot warms, it draws moisture outward, the evap effect cools the peat (like sweating). New growers often make the mistake of adding excessive amounts of water, resulting in cold soil, poor root formation and slowed growth
Added on: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 Viewed: 9213 times

good info. thank you!

i grew 3 to 4 crops a year for 15 years and forgot that growing actually takes some thought and effort. short term memory problems maybe? i won't be screwing up again. i'm going to have to buy some mexican weed to get me through the next few months. ARGHHHHHHHHHHH! the horror! :peace:
 

yankeeplace

New Member
Hey i had a similar situation. ph meter wasnt working. Got the pills to check the nutes in the soil from lowes. Had the ph pills as well. 2 points off. Sad news ended
up loosing them all.

howdy.

I've grown for quite awhile, took a year break and am growing again. I planted these seedlings about 4 weeks ago. I don't recall seedlings being this small after a month.

i moved and my water is a bit harder and i used supersoil instead of a soil without ferts.

any idea why these seem to have stopped growing? I'm using a 250 watt MH for veg. i don't believe i overwatered them.

because the soil had nutes i haven't used any yet. the genetics are all F2s i bred and are all good quality.

because i'm lazy and didn't get to the hydro store, i just used soil, no perlight, guano etc.

 
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