315W CMH SIngle Plant DWC SCROG.

TheStickMan said:

Everything looks tip top mate, i hope your Blue Dream does better than mine, not a single fucking leaf left on mine now!!!
What are the Mephisto strains? @calliandra's was a beauty and yielded fuck loads organic,

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Thanks man! She's a beaut, so sorry to hear you lost yours, I still gawk at her huge ass stalk all the time haha She's staying extremely healthy so far, i actually hooked up my cool hood proper this time since summer is here soon

Mephisto Strains:
Toofless Alien, Skylar White, Ripleys OG & Sour Stomper.

No shit, i didn't know you grew some Mephisto @calliandra
Got some pics? And what strain?

Anon Emaus said:

Thanks man! She's a beaut, so sorry to hear you lost yours, I still gawk at her huge ass stalk all the time haha She's staying extremely healthy so far, i actually hooked up my cool hood proper this time since summer is here soon

Mephisto Strains:
Toofless Alien, Skylar White, Ripleys OG & Sour Stomper.

No shit, i didn't know you grew some Mephisto @calliandra
Got some pics? And what strain?

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hey anon, yeah I grew a sour stomper, she was amazing, I think the final yield was 230g
Lovely fruity play on aromas plus hazyness, upbeat smoke, though people not used to it got beamed away haha
this was her right before harvest

buds 3 days earlier - main bud

and some lower bud sparkliness


In fairness, she was about twice as big as they usually are, due to my feedings with green smoothies and such
The strain has an interesting propensity to stretch not only its secondary but also tertiary branches, so you could use that in training if you're so inclined

I still have a skylar white bean they sent along as a freebie, so I'm looking forward to seeing what she's like in your grow too!

edit: oh btw, this Pineapple Express runt has been sprouting in my veg space this past week
it's a runt haha
but who knows might still come round

TheStickMan said:

Yeah thats the plan, theres something about that bucket! lol ever since I switched to it my roots have been shite, my roots were always perfect in the old smaller dwc bucket. So yeah I'm either going to go back to that or build a RDWC which is what I'd prefer, we'll see when it comes closer to the time.

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IIRC, when you switched to the 400w you used the 25 litre bucket? Did you clean out all of the roots from the pump? Is the bucket food safe? I think a good cleaning and maybe an external air pump with a quality air stone would work better.

There is a thread around here that has a monsterous recirculating grow, a wealth of knowledge in there. I will find it and edit this post.

TheStickMan said:

Thank you very much sir/madam. Get yourself a 400w hps, i will help you if you ask and so many other people will as well. You won't get much feedback from 315w CMH growers, including me!

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I've used everything from 50w HIDs to 600w. I've been distracted with life for several years and I've missed some important advances in technology. The 400w comes with an adjustable ballast, so does the 315w except the CMH can be "overpowered" to 380w with the adjustable but "internal" ballast.

From what I've seen, the adjustable 400w would be the tried and true choice. It makes sense as well, a younger plant cannot use as much light as a mature plant can, wasted light equals wasted money which in-turn means wasted time and effort. Furthermore, the ability to place the ballast outside of the growing environment is a huge advantage as well as being able to duct the light separately from the growing environment. A sealed fixture will also contain any glass from a bulb that catastrophically fails.

http://rollitup.org/t/aeroponic-space-shuttle.38569/

Editing doesn't seem to be cooperative at the moment. This is the link to the recirculating system. I plan on imitating the design with a few changes to suit present dimensional constraints.

calliandra said:

hey anon, yeah I grew a sour stomper, she was amazing, I think the final yield was 230g
Lovely fruity play on aromas plus hazyness, upbeat smoke, though people not used to it got beamed away haha
this was her right before harvest
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buds 3 days earlier - main bud
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and some lower bud sparkliness
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In fairness, she was about twice as big as they usually are, due to my feedings with green smoothies and such
The strain has an interesting propensity to stretch not only its secondary but also tertiary branches, so you could use that in training if you're so inclined

I still have a skylar white bean they sent along as a freebie, so I'm looking forward to seeing what she's like in your grow too!

edit: oh btw, this Pineapple Express runt has been sprouting in my veg space this past week
View attachment 3939445 it's a runt haha
but who knows might still come round

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Amazing!!!!!! And I thought I was already excited about them! That stretch will be perfect, I'm thinking about building another scrog net to use for training on them.

Oh yes, Skylar has a wonderful sounding description, she is one of the top ones I'm looking forward too. Toofless Alien is supposed to be pretty amazing as well!

How weird! I had a Pineapple Express bean year ago that was such a runt I had to trash the whole grow at the seedling stage...I actually just bought another one in my last order to give it another try

Anon Emaus said:

Amazing!!!!!! And I thought I was already excited about them! That stretch will be perfect, I'm thinking about building another scrog net to use for training on them.

Oh yes, Skylar has a wonderful sounding description, she is one of the top ones I'm looking forward too. Toofless Alien is supposed to be pretty amazing as well!

How weird! I had a Pineapple Express bean year ago that was such a runt I had to trash the whole grow at the seedling stage...I actually just bought another one in my last order to give it another try

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Ah yes, you can scrog this one!
You have to be quick about it, but yeah, should work great!

Oh wow - actually I have issues with the FastBuds Pineapple Express every time - after the first order, I thought I had gotten old seeds and ordered from somewhere else this time - ok I admit I took the smallest seeds from the pack, as this is going to be a quick emergency grow in a small pot and a small cabinet - but one didn't even sprout at all!
To know that it's not just me is unsettling but also soothing, as plant nursery is a real weak spot in my gardening knowhow. So I don't suck that badly - or worse, mixed up a noxious soil haha

The only reason to even bother is, the 2nd grow I did of them was the best weed I've smoked, like, evvvaaaaaaa
Once, I rolled a joint thinking I had a Sour Stomper bud, but it was the Pineapple Express, oops lol, so I ended the evening watching the figures in a painting dance to psychedelic chillout music haha
So she's getting her chance, nonetheless

calliandra said:

hey anon, yeah I grew a sour stomper, she was amazing, I think the final yield was 230g
Lovely fruity play on aromas plus hazyness, upbeat smoke, though people not used to it got beamed away haha
this was her right before harvest
View attachment 3939365
buds 3 days earlier - main bud
View attachment 3939375
and some lower bud sparkliness
View attachment 3939376

In fairness, she was about twice as big as they usually are, due to my feedings with green smoothies and such
The strain has an interesting propensity to stretch not only its secondary but also tertiary branches, so you could use that in training if you're so inclined

I still have a skylar white bean they sent along as a freebie, so I'm looking forward to seeing what she's like in your grow too!

edit: oh btw, this Pineapple Express runt has been sprouting in my veg space this past week
View attachment 3939445 it's a runt haha
but who knows might still come round

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Nice stuff
Please give out more detail on your lights, I haven't been keeping up with the forums lately
btw, i just got myself a 200 watt 350-700mA power supply for 6 cobs for the summer

grapefruitmarmalade said:

Nice stuff
Please give out more detail on your lights, I haven't been keeping up with the forums lately
btw, i just got myself a 200 watt 350-700mA power supply for 6 cobs for the summer

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heyhey grape, good to see ya around!
Your COB plan sounds lovely to me What space is that going to be in?
I've had very good runs with my COBs - mine are 3590x Crees, 3500°K.
They get the job done, no questions asked
Of course, one could get fancy with UV and far red, but those are extras.

On the sour stomper grow, I started with 1 COB at 50W and went adding COBs, though I got to 200W only the last few weeks. Hm and I think I was running them 18/6
They still do get hot - when I was running all 4 (passive cooled heatsinks) it did get a tad hot in a 0.5m² closet, bit shy of 1.9m height.
But yeah, with a lil fan struck to them, they're cool as a breeze!
Cheers!

Anyone seen this before?! So Blue Dream and Blue Mystic are sharing the same tote just as my last grows have been for a year now. The roots are huge and all intertwined together. They're a few weeks into flower, flipped 12/12 on April 12th. Everything has been going fantastic.

Yesterday I noticed Blue Dream is all limp, the leaves are sagging all over like as if it's just dying and not getting any water. It looks exactly like when I knocked the roots off my one plant last grow. Meanwhile Blue Mystic whos roots are in the same res and intertwined with Blue Dreams roots is doing great as normal, nothing changed for it. Leaves are perked up and happy.

Water temps stay around 69-71F and I have two 100gph air pumps in the res as I always have with this res. The only thing I can say is that I did a res change yesterday cuz the water was at the lowest it goes, but still I always have let the water get that low and have never had an issue, I could have gone a couple more days and nothing would have happened.

I checked the roots all over, lifted the ball up and looked underneath and all, I'm not seeing any root rot or anything out of the ordinary, no weird smells nothing. Temp is extremely consistent because i have a water heater keeping it at the right temp.

The only thing that makes sense is lack of oxygen, so I'm lowering my temp and added another air pump. I really don't think that is even going to help though because Blue Mystic is fine so it just doesn't make sense.

I'll get some more pics when lights are on, but if you look at that pic and look at the leaves at the bottom you can see they're all just flopped over and when you feel the top leaves they're just limp and lifeless as well, although still holding themselves up enough.

Welp i believe i just found the issue, right after posting i went and double checked that the heater didnt crack or anything and found this.

It looks like where the root mass comes out of the net pot it tore half way, so like half is still connected but the other half is a gap. So as before the plant isn't getting what it needs but is at least still getting something. I guess i just gotta hope it swings back around. This fucking sucks fucking dick, Blue Dream was looking like a real heavy yielder and was just one of the most impressive plants I've grown so far.

Some plants roots grow with lots of roots coming out the bottom but some just do one big root like this and its apparently dangerous. Blue mystic is the opposite of dream in that it has a bunch of roots filling all out the bottom of the net pot.

calliandra said:

heyhey grape, good to see ya around!
Your COB plan sounds lovely to me What space is that going to be in?
I've had very good runs with my COBs - mine are 3590x Crees, 3500°K.
They get the job done, no questions asked
Of course, one could get fancy with UV and far red, but those are extras.

On the sour stomper grow, I started with 1 COB at 50W and went adding COBs, though I got to 200W only the last few weeks. Hm and I think I was running them 18/6
They still do get hot - when I was running all 4 (passive cooled heatsinks) it did get a tad hot in a 0.5m² closet, bit shy of 1.9m height.
But yeah, with a lil fan struck to them, they're cool as a breeze!
Cheers!

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Wow you've got some quality cobs and nice plans for the future I have 4 old COBs: 2 x Cree CXA 3050 3000K and 2 x Vero 18 4000K and I'm adding in 2 x brand new Nichias (I need to check the series, but I know for a fact that they are top bin) that are 5000K and 2700K
all of them will be mounted on two large aluminium heatsinks (20cm by 30cm)
What current do you drive yours?

Anon Emaus said:

Welp i believe i just found the issue, right after posting i went and double checked that the heater didnt crack or anything and found this.

It looks like where the root mass comes out of the net pot it tore half way, so like half is still connected but the other half is a gap. So as before the plant isn't getting what it needs but is at least still getting something. I guess i just gotta hope it swings back around. This fucking sucks fucking dick, Blue Dream was looking like a real heavy yielder and was just one of the most impressive plants I've grown so far.

Some plants roots grow with lots of roots coming out the bottom but some just do one big root like this and its apparently dangerous. Blue mystic is the opposite of dream in that it has a bunch of roots filling all out the bottom of the net pot.

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Shit man, I hope things get better. My Blue Dream was the best plant I ever grew, until flower. She's dead now
And this is exactly what has happened with my last few grows. Long dirty ass roots. Not like the Captain Birdseye beard bushy roots.

Aw that sucks. I hope it comes back for you.

I would normally not suggest anything for your grow as you obviously know what you are doing but, here goes. I don't think your roots are going to be able to support the growth above them now. You might need to remove some of the beautiful growth up top early to protect your flowers from dying.

Best of luck

TheStickMan said:

Shit man, I hope things get better. My Blue Dream was the best plant I ever grew, until flower. She's dead now
And this is exactly what has happened with my last few grows. Long dirty ass roots. Not like the Captain Birdseye beard bushy roots.

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Thanks man, it sucks. Yeah dude blue dream is some amazing genetics, why did we both have shit happen to it!!! Def gunna grow her again one day though thats for sure.

Man I wonder what the hell it is thats causing that. What kind of water do you use? Maybe its something in the water idk? I use well water and it actually got better by now having a PH to it that by the time my nutes are mixed up it gets itself to an almost perfect PH. So mine got better maybe yours could have gotten worse?

Haze the maze said:

I would normally not suggest anything for your grow as you obviously know what you are doing but, here goes. I don't think your roots are going to be able to support the growth above them now. You might need to remove some of the beautiful growth up top early to protect your flowers from dying.

Best of luck

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Thanks! Always open to suggestions man! I was actually having the same thought yesterday. I was thinking about dropping those lower branches that are drooping the worse to lessen the load. Only thing that stopped me is I worry that could maybe stress the plant out to much and maybe make things worse. I totally hear ya, i feel like with half its root it can now only sustain about half of the plant above it. I'm gunna run it by a buddy of mine who has been growing for like 25 years now and see what he thinks. It's quite the sticky situation!

Anon Emaus said:

Thanks! Always open to suggestions man! I was actually having the same thought yesterday. I was thinking about dropping those lower branches that are drooping the worse to lessen the load. Only thing that stopped me is I worry that could maybe stress the plant out to much and maybe make things worse. I totally hear ya, i feel like with half its root it can now only sustain about half of the plant above it. I'm gunna run it by a buddy of mine who has been growing for like 25 years now and see what he thinks. It's quite the sticky situation!

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Yes please do that. I feel for you.
This is why these growing journals are so important for us. The knowledge gained from the wins and the un-fortune will help all who read on.

grapefruitmarmalade said:

Wow you've got some quality cobs and nice plans for the future I have 4 old COBs: 2 x Cree CXA 3050 3000K and 2 x Vero 18 4000K and I'm adding in 2 x brand new Nichias (I need to check the series, but I know for a fact that they are top bin) that are 5000K and 2700K
all of them will be mounted on two large aluminium heatsinks (20cm by 30cm)
What current do you drive yours?

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36v - I have cheap chinese 50W drivers one per COB, so I'm fully modular. It was a good decision in my case, I've used those COBs in all sorts of combos - right now, I've got 1 lighting seedlings in the veg cabinet

What you're up to sounds good - I've seen lots of people mix 3000K and 4000K, and yours are good quality ones (unlike the cheap chinese 6500K + 2700K no-names I tried that with, which didn't give good results at all), so same for the 5000K/2700K combo

calliandra said:

36v - I have cheap chinese 50W drivers one per COB, so I'm fully modular. It was a good decision in my case, I've used those COBs in all sorts of combos - right now, I've got 1 lighting seedlings in the veg cabinet

What you're up to sounds good - I've seen lots of people mix 3000K and 4000K, and yours are good quality ones (unlike the cheap chinese 6500K + 2700K no-names I tried that with, which didn't give good results at all), so same for the 5000K/2700K combo

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I always tell every one: buy cheap = buy twice.
I tried the one driver per cob (applying the same principles as well) and it got too cluttered for a small space (2 by 2 feet, 60 by 60 cm) and the HEAT... it adds up. I'm doing one driver out side the tent and relatively low current from now on
EDIT: just to be clear, I'm not saying one driver per COB is a bad way to go... but why purposely leave room for improvement when you can entirely eliminate the bad factors(heat and inefficiency) and just focus on growing?

grapefruitmarmalade said:

I always tell every one: buy cheap = buy twice.

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oh yeah, so true! the cheap COBs, they were hand-me-downs, just for getting a feel for LED

And yes, I do agree, when you have a clearcut setup, definitely best to have just one quality driver (dimmable, haha there goes me looking for flexibility again ), and outside of that space of yours too!
If I ever get my new room built, I may switch to larger dimmable drivers, as I would like to experiment with lighting times and light intensities more than I can with the current config...
Why I always tend towards DIY, even if it's overwhelming sometimes - you can tailor and tweak solutions exactly to the rooms & growers needs