37 million honey bees found dead in Canada
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ginjawarrior
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Bees you know we're talking about bees right?I know they invented/came up with round up...now others make it
So now theres no evidence that GMO seeds with the built in pesticides harm the environment or kill any wildlife...ok
The neonicotiniods that seem to be responsible are not made by monsanto and their usage are widespread not just on Monsanto's seeds
Nor has monsanto gmo been shown to hurt bees
colonuggs
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ok ...tell me why have monosantos gmo seeds been banned in Europe ?? Was it due to the pesticide incorporated into the seeds??
ginjawarrior
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Cite? Preferably something reputable........
ginjawarrior
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We're talking about bees right?
Europe isn't banning monsanto products it's banning neonicotinoids which are nothing to do with monsanto
colonuggs
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really...Italy Becomes the 9th EU Nation To Ban Monsantos GMO Corn..... hmmm that's not their product??
Read more http://www.trueactivist.com/italy-becomes-the-9th-eu-nation-to-ban-monsantos-gmo-corn/
Hungary Destroys All Monsanto GMO Corn Fields
May 19, 2013
Hungary has taken a bold stand against biotech giant Monsanto and genetic modification by destroying 1000 acres of maize found to have been grown with genetically modified seeds, according to Hungary deputy state secretary of the Ministry of Rural Development Lajos Bognar. Unlike many European Union countries, Hungary is a nation where genetically modified (GM) seeds are banned. In a similar stance against GM ingredients, Peru has also passed a 10 year ban on GM foods
.Almost 1000 acres of maize found to have been ground with genetically modified seeds have been destroyed throughout Hungary, deputy state secretary of the Ministry of Rural Development Lajos Bognar said. The GMO maize has been ploughed under, said Lajos Bognar, but pollen has not spread from the maize, he added.
Unlike several EU members, GMO seeds are banned in Hungary. The checks will continue despite the fact that seek traders are obliged to make sure that their products are GMO free
, Bognar said.During the invesigation, controllers have found Pioneer Monsanto products among the seeds planted.
The free movement of goods within the EU means that authorities will not investigate how the seeds arrived in Hungary, but they will check where the goods can be found, Bognar said. Regional public radio
reported that the two biggest international seed producing companies are affected in the matter and GMO seeds could have been sown on up to the thousands of hectares in the country. Most of the local farmers have complained since they just discovered they were using GMO seeds.With season already under way, it is too late to sow new seeds, so this years harvest has been lost.
And to make things even worse for the farmers
, the company that distributed the seeds in Baranya county is under liquidation. Therefore, if any compensation is paid by the international seed producers, the money will be paid primarily to that companys creditors, rather than the farmersRead more at http://www.realfarmacy.com/hungary-d...ATLrz5b1vpk.99
ginjawarrior
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colonuggs
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why is it that .....u state Europe hasn't banned monosnato products but when I show you they have ..you redirect the topic back to bees
[h=2]GMO Agriculture and Chemical Pesticides are Killing the Bees[/h][h=3]US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Slapped with Lawsuit[/h]By Dr Joseph Mercola
Global Research, May 12, 2013
mercola.com
Theme: Biotechnology and GMO, Environment, Law and Justice
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The US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has failed to protect bees from neonicotinoid pesticides, according to a lawsuit against the agency, filed by beekeepers and environmental groups. Said Paul Towers, spokesperson for the Pesticide Action Network (PAN), one of the groups involved in the lawsuit:[h=3]Lawsuit Maintains the Link Between Neonicotinoids and Bee Die Off Is Crystal Clear[/h]Neonicotinoid pesticides are a newer class of chemicals that are applied to seeds before planting. This allows the pesticide to be taken up through the plants vascular system as it grows, where it is expressed in the pollen and nectar.
These insecticides are highly toxic to bees because they are systemic, water soluble, and pervasive. They get into the soil and groundwater where they can accumulate and remain for many years and present long-term toxicity to the hive as well as to other species, such as songbirds.
Neonicotinoids affect insects central nervous systems in ways that are cumulative and irreversible. Even minute amounts can have profound effects over time.
The disappearance of bee colonies began accelerating in the United States shortly after the EPA allowed these new insecticides on the market in the mid-2000s. The lawsuit alleges that the EPA allowed the neonicotinoids to remain on the market despite clear warning signs of a problem.
It also alleges the EPA acted outside of the law by allowing conditional registration of the pesticides, a measure that allows a product to enter the market despite the absence of certain data.
[h=3]European Food Safety Authority Ruled Neonicotinoids Unacceptable[/h]The EPAs continued allowance of neonicotinoids becomes all the more irresponsible in light of recent findings by other government organizations. Earlier this year, for instance, the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) released a report that ruled neonicotinoid insecticides are essentially unacceptable for many crops.[SUP]1[/SUP] The European Commission asked EFSA to assess the risks associated with the use of three common neonicotinoids clothianidin, imidacloprid and thiamethoxam with particular focus on:
only uses on crops not attractive to honeybees were considered acceptable.
As for exposure from dust produced during the sowing of treated seeds, the Authority ruled a risk to honeybees was indicated or could not be excluded Unfortunately, neonicotinoids have become the fastest growing insecticides in the world. In the US, virtually all genetically engineered Bt corn crops are treated with neonicotinoids.
[h=2]Serious Risks to Bees Already Established[/h]One of the observed effects of these insecticides is weakening of the bees immune system. Forager bees bring pesticide-laden pollen back to the hive, where its consumed by all of the bees.
Six months later, their immune systems fail, and they fall prey to secondary, seemingly natural bee infections, such as parasites, mites, viruses, fungi and bacteria. Pathogens such as Varroa mites, Nosema, fungal and bacterial infections, and Israeli Acute Paralysis Virus (IAPV) are found in large amounts in honeybee hives on the verge of collapse.
Serious honeybee die-offs have been occurring around the world for the past decade but no one knows exactly why the bees are disappearing.
The phenomenon, dubbed Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD), is thought to be caused by a variety of imbalances in the environment, although agricultural practices such as the use of neonicotinoid pesticides are receiving growing attention as more research comes in. As written in the journal Nature:[SUP]3[/SUP]
Social bee colonies depend on the collective performance of many individual workers. Thus, although field-level pesticide concentrations can have subtle or sublethal effects at the individual level, it is not known whether bee societies can buffer such effects or whether it results in a severe cumulative effect at the colony level. Furthermore, widespread agricultural intensification means that bees are exposed to numerous pesticides when foraging, yet the possible combinatorial effects of pesticide exposure have rarely been investigated.
This is what the Nature study set out to determine, and it was revealed that bees given access to neonicotinoid and pyrethroid pesticides were adversely affected in numerous ways, including:
Here we show that chronic exposure of bumble bees to two pesticides (neonicotinoid and pyrethroid) at concentrations that could approximate field-level exposure impairs natural foraging behavior and increases worker mortality leading to significant reductions in brood development and colony success.
We found that worker foraging performance, particularly pollen collecting efficiency, was significantly reduced with observed knock-on effects for forager recruitment, worker losses and overall worker productivity. Moreover, we provide evidence that combinatorial exposure to pesticides increases the propensity of colonies to fail.
[h=3]Why the Food Supply Could Be Dependent on Urgent Action by the EPA[/h]The EPA acknowledges that pesticide poisoning may be one factor leading to colony collapse disorder,[SUP]4[/SUP] yet they have been slow to act to protect bees from this threat. The current lawsuit may help spur them toward more urgent action, which is desperately needed as the food supply hangs in the balance.
There are about 100 crop species that provide 90 percent of food globally. Of these, 71 are pollinated by bees.[SUP]5[/SUP] In the US alone, a full one-third of the food supply depends on pollination from bees. Apple orchards, for instance, require one colony of bees per acre to be adequately pollinated. So if bee colonies continue to be devastated, major food shortages could result.
There is also concern that the pesticides could be impacting other pollinators as well, including bumblebees, hoverflies, butterflies, moths and others, which could further impact the environment.
[h=3]Four Steps to Help Protect the Bees[/h]If you would like to learn more about the economic, political and ecological implications of the worldwide disappearance of the honeybee, check out the documentary film Vanishing of the Bees. If youd like to get involved, here are four actions you can take to help preserve and protect our honeybees:
[h=2]GMO Agriculture and Chemical Pesticides are Killing the Bees[/h][h=3]US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Slapped with Lawsuit[/h]By Dr Joseph Mercola
Global Research, May 12, 2013
mercola.com
Theme: Biotechnology and GMO, Environment, Law and Justice
The US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has failed to protect bees from neonicotinoid pesticides, according to a lawsuit against the agency, filed by beekeepers and environmental groups. Said Paul Towers, spokesperson for the Pesticide Action Network (PAN), one of the groups involved in the lawsuit:
Despite our best efforts to warn the agency about the problems posed by neonicotinoids, the EPA continued to ignore the clear warning signs of an ag system in trouble.
These insecticides are highly toxic to bees because they are systemic, water soluble, and pervasive. They get into the soil and groundwater where they can accumulate and remain for many years and present long-term toxicity to the hive as well as to other species, such as songbirds.
Neonicotinoids affect insects central nervous systems in ways that are cumulative and irreversible. Even minute amounts can have profound effects over time.
The disappearance of bee colonies began accelerating in the United States shortly after the EPA allowed these new insecticides on the market in the mid-2000s. The lawsuit alleges that the EPA allowed the neonicotinoids to remain on the market despite clear warning signs of a problem.
It also alleges the EPA acted outside of the law by allowing conditional registration of the pesticides, a measure that allows a product to enter the market despite the absence of certain data.
[h=3]European Food Safety Authority Ruled Neonicotinoids Unacceptable[/h]The EPAs continued allowance of neonicotinoids becomes all the more irresponsible in light of recent findings by other government organizations. Earlier this year, for instance, the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) released a report that ruled neonicotinoid insecticides are essentially unacceptable for many crops.[SUP]1[/SUP] The European Commission asked EFSA to assess the risks associated with the use of three common neonicotinoids clothianidin, imidacloprid and thiamethoxam with particular focus on:
- Their acute and chronic effects on bee colony survival and development
- Their effects on bee larvae and bee behavior
- The risks posed by sub-lethal doses of the three chemicals
only uses on crops not attractive to honeybees were considered acceptable.
As for exposure from dust produced during the sowing of treated seeds, the Authority ruled a risk to honeybees was indicated or could not be excluded Unfortunately, neonicotinoids have become the fastest growing insecticides in the world. In the US, virtually all genetically engineered Bt corn crops are treated with neonicotinoids.
[h=2]Serious Risks to Bees Already Established[/h]One of the observed effects of these insecticides is weakening of the bees immune system. Forager bees bring pesticide-laden pollen back to the hive, where its consumed by all of the bees.
Six months later, their immune systems fail, and they fall prey to secondary, seemingly natural bee infections, such as parasites, mites, viruses, fungi and bacteria. Pathogens such as Varroa mites, Nosema, fungal and bacterial infections, and Israeli Acute Paralysis Virus (IAPV) are found in large amounts in honeybee hives on the verge of collapse.
Serious honeybee die-offs have been occurring around the world for the past decade but no one knows exactly why the bees are disappearing.
The phenomenon, dubbed Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD), is thought to be caused by a variety of imbalances in the environment, although agricultural practices such as the use of neonicotinoid pesticides are receiving growing attention as more research comes in. As written in the journal Nature:[SUP]3[/SUP]
Social bee colonies depend on the collective performance of many individual workers. Thus, although field-level pesticide concentrations can have subtle or sublethal effects at the individual level, it is not known whether bee societies can buffer such effects or whether it results in a severe cumulative effect at the colony level. Furthermore, widespread agricultural intensification means that bees are exposed to numerous pesticides when foraging, yet the possible combinatorial effects of pesticide exposure have rarely been investigated.
This is what the Nature study set out to determine, and it was revealed that bees given access to neonicotinoid and pyrethroid pesticides were adversely affected in numerous ways, including:
- Fewer adult worker bees emerged from larvae
- A higher proportion of foragers failed to return to the nest
- A higher death rate among worker bees
- An increased likelihood of colony failure
Here we show that chronic exposure of bumble bees to two pesticides (neonicotinoid and pyrethroid) at concentrations that could approximate field-level exposure impairs natural foraging behavior and increases worker mortality leading to significant reductions in brood development and colony success.
We found that worker foraging performance, particularly pollen collecting efficiency, was significantly reduced with observed knock-on effects for forager recruitment, worker losses and overall worker productivity. Moreover, we provide evidence that combinatorial exposure to pesticides increases the propensity of colonies to fail.
[h=3]Why the Food Supply Could Be Dependent on Urgent Action by the EPA[/h]The EPA acknowledges that pesticide poisoning may be one factor leading to colony collapse disorder,[SUP]4[/SUP] yet they have been slow to act to protect bees from this threat. The current lawsuit may help spur them toward more urgent action, which is desperately needed as the food supply hangs in the balance.
There are about 100 crop species that provide 90 percent of food globally. Of these, 71 are pollinated by bees.[SUP]5[/SUP] In the US alone, a full one-third of the food supply depends on pollination from bees. Apple orchards, for instance, require one colony of bees per acre to be adequately pollinated. So if bee colonies continue to be devastated, major food shortages could result.
There is also concern that the pesticides could be impacting other pollinators as well, including bumblebees, hoverflies, butterflies, moths and others, which could further impact the environment.
[h=3]Four Steps to Help Protect the Bees[/h]If you would like to learn more about the economic, political and ecological implications of the worldwide disappearance of the honeybee, check out the documentary film Vanishing of the Bees. If youd like to get involved, here are four actions you can take to help preserve and protect our honeybees:
- Support organic farmers and shop at local farmers markets as often as possible. You can vote with your fork three times a day. (When you buy organic, you are making a statement by saying no to GMOs and toxic pesticides!)
- Cut the use of toxic chemicals in your house and on your lawn, and use only organic, all-natural forms of pest control.
- Better yet, get rid of your lawn altogether and plant a garden or other natural habitat. Lawns offer very little benefit for the environment. Both flower and vegetable gardens provide excellent natural honeybee habitats.
- Become an amateur beekeeper. Having a hive in your garden requires only about an hour of your time per week, benefits your local ecosystem, and you can enjoy your own honey!
ginjawarrior
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It's always been about bees. Is your reading that bad?
https://www.rollitup.org/technology-science/715497-37-million-honey-bees-found-new-post.html
colonuggs
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neonicotinoid pesticides are in monosantos seeds that's why they were banned in Europe...that chemical is killing the bees
thats also why the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) was Slapped with Lawsuit for not protecting the bees against a chemical proven to cause harm
thats also why the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) was Slapped with Lawsuit for not protecting the bees against a chemical proven to cause harm
ginjawarrior
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the neonicotinoid chemicals are being banned with no mention of gmo because they are in no way tied to gmo
Countries that have never grown gmo use neonicotoniods....
Any idiot can file a lawsuit
HBE4R20
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Funny how Ginja is saying all this but showing almost no sources compared to Colonnugs who has shown multiple articles and sources proving his argument
all you are showing Ginja is your lack of belief in factual evidence that proves it is bad or not as much of a "miracle seed" as some people say, but would acknowledge any defense money hungry Monsanto puts up. As with any argument you should be looking at it from both sides not just one. Most people who found out about Monsanto didn't think much until they did the research themselves and found out how bad they can really be.... just a quick question too if GMO's were not bad at all why do they have such a problem labeling GMO food products in the US if there is really no bad side effects or things to be worried about? where as in other countries it is forced to be labeled when its allowed. If you really enjoyed growing beautiful cannabis plants a gift from earth untouched by GMOs or bad chemicals like tobacco why would you be so for Monsanto? if or when cannabis ever gets legalized would you want all the Tobacco company's to be selling all the weed i know i sure wouldn't and imagine Monsanto getting in on the cannabis industry and obtaining all the rights through patents for all the good seed strains that they would probably Genetically modify so they cant survive being cloned or produce seeds ever , charging outrageous prices for one seed then we would all be screwed paying more or just as much money(if we can afford it) for something that use to be a natural medicine that grew abundantly in nature then we would be paying for narcotics produced by man with more negative side effects and way less benefits then cannabis and if that did happen who says modifying the marijuana plant Genes wouldn't cause natural medicinal properties to be lost or destroyed forever or maybe Monsanto could harness the plants healing power with the knowledge they have but it would only be for their own benefits to make money off of the sick.
all you are showing Ginja is your lack of belief in factual evidence that proves it is bad or not as much of a "miracle seed" as some people say, but would acknowledge any defense money hungry Monsanto puts up. As with any argument you should be looking at it from both sides not just one. Most people who found out about Monsanto didn't think much until they did the research themselves and found out how bad they can really be.... just a quick question too if GMO's were not bad at all why do they have such a problem labeling GMO food products in the US if there is really no bad side effects or things to be worried about? where as in other countries it is forced to be labeled when its allowed. If you really enjoyed growing beautiful cannabis plants a gift from earth untouched by GMOs or bad chemicals like tobacco why would you be so for Monsanto? if or when cannabis ever gets legalized would you want all the Tobacco company's to be selling all the weed i know i sure wouldn't and imagine Monsanto getting in on the cannabis industry and obtaining all the rights through patents for all the good seed strains that they would probably Genetically modify so they cant survive being cloned or produce seeds ever , charging outrageous prices for one seed then we would all be screwed paying more or just as much money(if we can afford it) for something that use to be a natural medicine that grew abundantly in nature then we would be paying for narcotics produced by man with more negative side effects and way less benefits then cannabis and if that did happen who says modifying the marijuana plant Genes wouldn't cause natural medicinal properties to be lost or destroyed forever or maybe Monsanto could harness the plants healing power with the knowledge they have but it would only be for their own benefits to make money off of the sick.
ginjawarrior
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Funny you posted no sources
The opening post clearly speaks of neonicotinoids with links and everything
There has been no factual evidence in this thread linking gmo ala monsanto to bee deaths
HBE4R20
Member
Why would i post sources? the same sources i would of posted and am agreeing with are all right there provided by colonnugs 
And why don't you answer some of my other questions about Monsanto.....? sounds like you want to avoid the subject of What Monsanto is as a whole and only focusing on the bee subject but have nothing to say about other questions i have asked ? and Until Monsanto can prove that this is 100% not their fault i will say the opposite because this has not occurred until recently and some how "coincidentally" every time they plant a GMO crop by these bee farms or groups of hives they just so happen to Die from "Unknown" causes seems like a pretty credible pattern to me to support the evidence
And why don't you answer some of my other questions about Monsanto.....? sounds like you want to avoid the subject of What Monsanto is as a whole and only focusing on the bee subject but have nothing to say about other questions i have asked ? and Until Monsanto can prove that this is 100% not their fault i will say the opposite because this has not occurred until recently and some how "coincidentally" every time they plant a GMO crop by these bee farms or groups of hives they just so happen to Die from "Unknown" causes seems like a pretty credible pattern to me to support the evidence
ginjawarrior
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This is a thread about bees you trying to shoehorn your pet ideology into it with nothing but bullshitWhy would i post sources? the same sources i would of posted and am agreeing with are all right there provided by colonnugs
And why don't you answer some of my other questions about Monsanto.....? sounds like you want to avoid the subject of What Monsanto is as a whole and only focusing on the bee subject but have nothing to say about other questions i have asked ? and Until Monsanto can prove that this is 100% not their fault i will say the opposite because this has not occurred until recently and some how "coincidentally" every time they plant a GMO crop by these bee farms or groups of hives they just so happen to Die from "Unknown" causes seems like a pretty credible pattern to me to support the evidence
"Until Monsanto can prove that this is 100% not their fault i will say the opposite"
Cool story bro, personally I prefer evidence over witchhunts
ginjawarrior
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ricky1lung
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Get to know some bee farmers who have been in the business long enough to know pre GMO.
Talk to them and ask them questions, they are anti GMO too because they have suffered larger
death losses year to year since GMO's have become a standard.
They understand the uphill battle they are up against in the form of major corps and farmers who
turn over better profits using GMO's.
There is validity in their claims.
Talk to them and ask them questions, they are anti GMO too because they have suffered larger
death losses year to year since GMO's have become a standard.
They understand the uphill battle they are up against in the form of major corps and farmers who
turn over better profits using GMO's.
There is validity in their claims.