4 droopy seedlings! Day 10. Before and After pictures attached (yesterday and today)

bombastic1337

bombastic1337

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Hi, guys,I need help.

Yesterday morning I noticed one of the plants (plant 03 on the picture) had one of her edges slightly curved up and I did not know what it was, so I created a thread and basically people advised me to relax about it (which I needed to be told xD). To my surprise, though, today instead of just that one, it's 4 plants with droopy leaves. Also, two of them seem to have problems standing straight.

My specs:
Variety: Indica (90%)
Strain: Northern Lights Feminized
Stage: seedlings, day 10
Closet: 2.62 x 2.62 x 5.24 feet (80 x 80 x 160 cm)
Light: 400W HPS
Airflow control:
1. 1x small fan pointed at the plants (they are thin and need to get stronger).
2. I also bought an intractor and an extractor, but I have not used them yet because the air flow is enough for now (window with blinds down and air coming in through those holes —a lot of fresh air comes through those holes airs the room and leave through the door—. I will attach one DIY carbon filter to the extractor and use it when the time comes.
Odor control: None yet. For now I just have a big jar of ONA gel.
Average Temperature: 73 ºF (23 ºC)
Average Relative Humidity: 49% (I fixed this finally one hour ago, but it was that low for the first 10 days of the seedlings).
Medium: soilless mix
Solution: drinkable water + root stimulator



Posible factors:
1. The only thing I might have done wrong was overwatering about 4 days ago, which most likely was too early. The pots in day 4 or 5 had some weight yet and the soil was humid and warm if you stuck your finger inside. Only the first half inch (1 cm) of the surface was totally dry, but I didn't know better and thought they needed water...
2. The other problem I seemed to have for the first 10 days (until 1 hour ago) was low relative humidity (49%). Jorge Cervantes says that relative humidity should be 60-65% during the vegetative stage. Before I set up the closet, it was 69%. I was even worried that this was going to be a problem for mold and pests. But since I turned on the HPS 400, relative humidity dropped down A LOT and it was at an average 49%, not even close to the optimum level. So this low relative humidity was not fixed until 1 hour ago. I managed to raise it by puting 1 big bucket of really hot water (from the tap). Now, relative humidity is at 63%, which is great for this stage.

My question is:
Do my girls have a problem? If so, what do you think it might be the cause and what would you do if you were in my position?



PS: I already posted this on Marijuana problems around 12 hours ago, but it got buried with newer threads and nobody got the chance to answer it. Anyway, in this time I figured out (by reading this excellent forum) a way to fix the low RH problem ;)
 

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Papaoscartango

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If you're thinking water I bet that's it cause the specs seem in range to me. I try & keep'em under the dome for as long as possible but they gotta come out some time so the 49% isn't the issue.
I don't know soiless but often the "good stuff" will make your seedlings come roaring out of the ground & get too heavy. Air movement or proper light maybe........don't know your set-up.
 
bombastic1337

bombastic1337

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Papaoscartango said:
If you're thinking water I bet that's it cause the specs seem in range to me. I try & keep'em under the dome for as long as possible but they gotta come out some time so the 49% isn't the issue.
I don't know soiless but often the "good stuff" will make your seedlings come roaring out of the ground & get too heavy. Air movement or proper light maybe........don't know your set-up.
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Thanks for the reply. What do you mean by "the good stuff"? I didn't get what you meant.

These are my specs (more detailed):

My specs:
Variety: Indica (90%)
Strain: Northern Lights Feminized
Stage: seedlings, day 10
Closet: 2.62 x 2.62 x 5.24 feet (80 x 80 x 160 cm)
Light: 400W HPS
Airflow control:
1. 1x small fan pointed at the plants (they are thin and need to get stronger).
2. I also bought an intractor and an extractor, but I have not used them yet because the air flow is enough for now (window with blinds down and air coming in through those holes —a lot of fresh air comes through those holes airs the room and leave through the door—. I will attach one DIY carbon filter to the extractor and use it when the time comes.
Odor control: None yet. For now I just have a big jar of ONA gel.
Average Temperature: 73 ºF (23 ºC)
Average Relative Humidity: 49% (I fixed this finally one hour ago, but it was that low for the first 10 days of the seedlings).
Medium: soilless mix
Solution: drinkable water + root stimulator

I hope this helps ;)
 
bkbbudz

bkbbudz

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I aslo had an rh issue my 1st grow. I put a zip lock freezer bag loosely over my pots, cleared that up pretty quickly. I would guess over-watering is the issue with these girls. I have never used a soiless mix so I really cannot advise on much more. I am sure someone with more experience in this medium can offer good advice. Best of luck!
 
bkbbudz

bkbbudz

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Oh, and it MAY be an issue with too much light...seedlings do very well unde a CFL for the first few weeks. 400w HPs may be a bit much for them too take.
 
alphawolf.hack

alphawolf.hack

New Member
i have no humidity in my room they might just be losing a lot of water i have to water my seedlings at least every 4 hours. makes it hard to sleep but i care more about my babies than sleep. he is right if you are using a mh put them under some shade i actually use my 4 foot flouro as shade for my clones and seedlings. seems like it would defeat the purpose huh? but not really the problem is direct light diffused light(reflected light) is the best light some type of shade and water will probably help.
 
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sarita99

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I think they are too young for root stimulator, except if you really want to maybe 1/4 strength. You should use 1/4 strength nutrients, maybe not every watering, because soilless mediums generally don't have any nutrients. And the fan should not be pointed directly at them or close to them at that very early stage. How far away is the 400w light? If it is like more than 3 feet, which I think it would have to be if you don't want to burn the seedlings, then they might end up stretching. How about dangling 1 or 2 T5 fluoros over them until they get a bit bigger?
 
bombastic1337

bombastic1337

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bkbbudz said:
Oh, and it MAY be an issue with too much light...seedlings do very well unde a CFL for the first few weeks. 400w HPs may be a bit much for them too take.
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The first 4 days I had 2 studying lights (around 40 W each), but they were stretching, so I started using the 400W HPS at 28 inches (70 cm) distance and they kept stretching (they reached 4 inches —10 cm— tall and quite thin), so I followed RIU advise and replanted them (or refilled the pots) and put the light closer (14 inches —35 cm—). They stopped stretching (mostly), but now they seem under stress... Maybe I should get a 250W CFL with veg spectrum? Would that be enough now that they are used to the 400 W HPS?

Could you explain what you did with the lock freezer bag? I didn't get it :(

Thanks a lot for the help. +rep
 
bombastic1337

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alphawolf.hack said:
i have no humidity in my room they might just be losing a lot of water i have to water my seedlings at least every 4 hours. makes it hard to sleep but i care more about my babies than sleep. he is right if you are using a mh put them under some shade i actually use my 4 foot flouro as shade for my clones and seedlings. seems like it would defeat the purpose huh? but not really the problem is direct light diffused light(reflected light) is the best light some type of shade and water will probably help.
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I am having headaches with watering, man! When I feel they are somewhat dry I think I might be putting them under stress of dehydration. On the other hand, when I decide to water them and see some weird thing on the leaves or stem, I think I watered them too early.
The problem is that I have a scientific mindset, so I like numbers and precise words. I don't want to go against the status quo here, but all I see is people advising to weigh the pots and "feel" if they are light or not. For me, this is very hard to follow, it's too vague. Specially since I refilled some pots and I cannot remember how much they weighed before...
I saw in one thread that there was some sort of rule of thumb which consisted in sticking your finger in the soil and basically water if the first 7 cm were dry (or something close to that number). This is very umprecise too, because it's not the same to have 7 cm of dry soil in a 30 cm depth pot than in the pot that I'm using (11 cm).
So, do you have some kind of rule of thumb like "water when 2/3 of the pot are dry" or something that I can positively use for deciding when to water my babies? I am going to buy a meter for pH and humiidty of soil, so I could use also a number of humidity under which, soil should be watered.

Thanks for all the help to both of you!
 
deza

deza

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bombastic1337 said:
I am having headaches with watering, man! When I feel they are somewhat dry I think I might be putting them under stress of dehydration. On the other hand, when I decide to water them and see some weird thing on the leaves or stem, I think I watered them too early.
The problem is that I have a scientific mindset, so I like numbers and precise words. I don't want to go against the status quo here, but all I see is people advising to weigh the pots and "feel" if they are light or not. For me, this is very hard to follow, it's too vague. Specially since I refilled some pots and I cannot remember how much they weighed before...
I saw in one thread that there was some sort of rule of thumb which consisted in sticking your finger in the soil and basically water if the first 7 cm were dry (or something close to that number). This is very umprecise too, because it's not the same to have 7 cm of dry soil in a 30 cm depth pot than in the pot that I'm using (11 cm).
So, do you have some kind of rule of thumb like "water when 2/3 of the pot are dry" or something that I can positively use for deciding when to water my babies? I am going to buy a meter for pH and humiidty of soil, so I could use also a number of humidity under which, soil should be watered.

Thanks for all the help to both of you!
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im sorry i cant help you off topic but i know how you feel.. im in a similar situation as you and i cannot find the answer aswell.. but atleast you got yours to sprout!

i think the rule of thumb as far as i 'knew' was to keep the soil 'MOIST' and not wet or soggy. secondly was to make sure the soil was dry but not very dry before the next water..

you can get meters that will measure the moisture levels of your mixture aswell as the PH; try visiting a hyrdoponics shop.

do you think you can help me with my thread.. ? im so frustrated waiting for a sprout! see below link

https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/500250-why-isnt-f-kn-sprouting.html
 
bombastic1337

bombastic1337

Member
sarita99 said:
I think they are too young for root stimulator, except if you really want to maybe 1/4 strength. You should use 1/4 strength nutrients, maybe not every watering, because soilless mediums generally don't have any nutrients. And the fan should not be pointed directly at them or close to them at that very early stage. How far away is the 400w light? If it is like more than 3 feet, which I think it would have to be if you don't want to burn the seedlings, then they might end up stretching. How about dangling 1 or 2 T5 fluoros over them until they get a bit bigger?
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1. The guy at the grow shop told me to provide root stimulator since day 1 until 2 weeks before harvest. Don't you agree?
2. I have been told not to nute the plants at all for the first 2 weeks (only 4 more days without nutes).
3. The guy at the grow shop told me also not to point the fan at the plants because they could dry up too fast, but I had a problem with the plants stretching too much and being weak so people in this forum advised me to give them a bit of action so they would toughen up.
4. The distance from the seedlings to the light is now 1.15 inches (35 cm). People in this forum adivsed me to put it closer (I had them at 2.3 inches (70 cm) but they were stretching a lot. I put my hand under the bulb at 1.15 in (35 cm) and it was OK, didn't burn or itch after some time. But I might listen to you and go buy a CFL for vegging.

Thanks for your help. rep+
 
bombastic1337

bombastic1337

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deza said:
do you think you can help me with my thread.. ? im so frustrated waiting for a sprout! see below link

https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/500250-why-isnt-f-kn-sprouting.html
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I sure can try! I am going to take a good look at your thread and answer to my best knowledge.

Thanks for the advice about the humidity/pH meter, I had already decided to buy one tomorrow. It would be sweet to know which at humidity level would be good to water, though. :)

And now, let's switch to your thread ;)
 
Enzogrowspot

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The 3rd pick looks like over watering bro??? Remember they are weeds and want to grow, try not to over love them. I know it's hard, i'm in my tent 19 times a day just smiling...
 
bombastic1337

bombastic1337

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Enzogrowspot said:
The 3rd pick looks like over watering bro??? Remember they are weeds and want to grow, try not to over love them. I know it's hard, i'm in my tent 19 times a day just smiling...
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Thanks for the info. Is there any way I can help the plant get rid of excess water any sooner so she can breathe? (I mean without adding more stress toit).

Also, is there a more precise method to know when to water rather than feeling the weigh of the pot? (I am getting a humidity/pH meter, so this could help figure out a humidity range for watering).
 
bkbbudz

bkbbudz

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bombastic1337 said:
The first 4 days I had 2 studying lights (around 40 W each), but they were stretching, so I started using the 400W HPS at 28 inches (70 cm) distance and they kept stretching (they reached 4 inches —10 cm— tall and quite thin), so I followed RIU advise and replanted them (or refilled the pots) and put the light closer (14 inches —35 cm—). They stopped stretching (mostly), but now they seem under stress... Maybe I should get a 250W CFL with veg spectrum? Would that be enough now that they are used to the 400 W HPS?

Could you explain what you did with the lock freezer bag? I didn't get it :(

Thanks a lot for the help. +rep
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I just slipped the bag over the pot and did not zip it. I tucked the ends of the bag under the pot and took it off during dark time to allow them to breathe a bit while they relaxed. I did this for about 2 weeks until they were really into vegging.
 
Papaoscartango

Papaoscartango

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We feel your pain bomb baby, water seems to always get in the way at first. The little pots are hard to get a feel for weight but it really is the best way & it gets easier as they get bigger. If it helps keep two pots at hand, one wet & one dry & pick them up all day long. I know it's not what you want to hear at this point, but pratice, pratice.
The cat is right about over loving your grow cause this is just the beginning, lots more challenges & rewards to come. Don't want to get burned out.
You made a bold move going with the altenative soil, gonna have to be a bold grower & roll with the punches. Bet when you do get the soiless thing nailed down you're gonna be a monter grower!
 
nick17gar

nick17gar

Well-Known Member
bombastic1337 said:
Hi, guys,I need help.

Yesterday morning I noticed one of the plants (plant 03 on the picture) had one of her edges slightly curved up and I did not know what it was, so I created a thread and basically people advised me to relax about it (which I needed to be told xD). To my surprise, though, today instead of just that one, it's 4 plants with droopy leaves. Also, two of them seem to have problems standing straight.

My specs:
Variety: Indica (90%)
Strain: Northern Lights Feminized
Stage: seedlings, day 10
Closet: 2.62 x 2.62 x 5.24 feet (80 x 80 x 160 cm)
Light: 400W HPS
Airflow control:
1. 1x small fan pointed at the plants (they are thin and need to get stronger).
2. I also bought an intractor and an extractor, but I have not used them yet because the air flow is enough for now (window with blinds down and air coming in through those holes —a lot of fresh air comes through those holes airs the room and leave through the door—. I will attach one DIY carbon filter to the extractor and use it when the time comes.
Odor control: None yet. For now I just have a big jar of ONA gel.
Average Temperature: 73 ºF (23 ºC)
Average Relative Humidity: 49% (I fixed this finally one hour ago, but it was that low for the first 10 days of the seedlings).
Medium: soilless mix
Solution: drinkable water + root stimulator



Posible factors:
1. The only thing I might have done wrong was overwatering about 4 days ago, which most likely was too early. The pots in day 4 or 5 had some weight yet and the soil was humid and warm if you stuck your finger inside. Only the first half inch (1 cm) of the surface was totally dry, but I didn't know better and thought they needed water...
2. The other problem I seemed to have for the first 10 days (until 1 hour ago) was low relative humidity (49%). Jorge Cervantes says that relative humidity should be 60-65% during the vegetative stage. Before I set up the closet, it was 69%. I was even worried that this was going to be a problem for mold and pests. But since I turned on the HPS 400, relative humidity dropped down A LOT and it was at an average 49%, not even close to the optimum level. So this low relative humidity was not fixed until 1 hour ago. I managed to raise it by puting 1 big bucket of really hot water (from the tap). Now, relative humidity is at 63%, which is great for this stage.

My question is:
Do my girls have a problem? If so, what do you think it might be the cause and what would you do if you were in my position?



PS: I already posted this on Marijuana problems around 12 hours ago, but it got buried with newer threads and nobody got the chance to answer it. Anyway, in this time I figured out (by reading this excellent forum) a way to fix the low RH problem ;)
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original poster: you freaking rock. thank you.
i say this becuase its refreshing to see someone who comes on here with a questions, writes a BUNCH about what they are doing, AND provide pics.

that being said, do you have a problem? no, not really. cut down on nutrients a little, i go about 1/4th strength at that age, if that, the light might be too bright, but i wouldnt worry about that really. temp perfect, humidity perfect (some might say its low, but i think 50% is perfect, high enough for plants to thrive, but not high enough for fungus to grow rampant). overwatering and overferting at that age is bad, but it happens, and you didnt go overboard, so dont freak out.

lets face it, babies do wierd things. they droop, they sway, they move around, they fall over, etc etc. as long as they have a green to dark green color, no necrosis, and continue to grow, they are ok. one thing i do (perhaps im OCD) is to stick a paperclip or something in the medium next to the plant and raise it as the plant grows, so i can see that its really growing. ive even thought of marking the wall like you would with actual kids on their bdays, but im psycho, and my gf says no, so probably shouldnt recommend that.

my honest recommendation, sir, who can type sentences, and take pictures:
start a journal. we can follow your progress, and help when its needed.

 
bombastic1337

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nick17gar said:
original poster: you freaking rock. thank you.
i say this becuase its refreshing to see someone who comes on here with a questions, writes a BUNCH about what they are doing, AND provide pics.

that being said, do you have a problem? no, not really. cut down on nutrients a little, i go about 1/4th strength at that age, if that, the light might be too bright, but i wouldnt worry about that really. temp perfect, humidity perfect (some might say its low, but i think 50% is perfect, high enough for plants to thrive, but not high enough for fungus to grow rampant). overwatering and overferting at that age is bad, but it happens, and you didnt go overboard, so dont freak out.

lets face it, babies do wierd things. they droop, they sway, they move around, they fall over, etc etc. as long as they have a green to dark green color, no necrosis, and continue to grow, they are ok. one thing i do (perhaps im OCD) is to stick a paperclip or something in the medium next to the plant and raise it as the plant grows, so i can see that its really growing. ive even thought of marking the wall like you would with actual kids on their bdays, but im psycho, and my gf says no, so probably shouldnt recommend that.

my honest recommendation, sir, who can type sentences, and take pictures:
start a journal. we can follow your progress, and help when its needed.
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That means a lot to me, man. Thanks from the bottom of my heart.

I am not using nutrients yet. Only bottled water and root stimulator.

Actually, I started with soilless mix because Jorge Cervantes said that it's easier that way if you are a beginner, so you can control what you feed the plants more easily.

Thanks again and Happy New Year.

I will try to make the grow diary. I have to plan this week, because if I do it I want to do it well.

Remember this, if you liked this post you are going to flip out with the one I'm preparing to ask for advise for odour control (I have a very particular situation at home). It's funny and I put quite a bit of work on it. :)

Peace.
 
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