Nutadactyl
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I will buy one of these asap, thanks so much! I don't have city water but I bet it still will help! A lot of stems have peeled off revealing a somewhat whiteish spoted green stem underneath. All leaves seem droopy slow new growth.
4 strains, all quirky/RED stems
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justugh
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there are 2 kinds of stems on the plant
1 is what u are talking about green with white spots.........it only means that the stem is solid (when u cut the plant if u cut there u will see like a tree solid)
2 type is a straw type this normally after the solid type ......it is like 4 sticks pushed together with the center hollow then rapped in the skin
the first kind is always on the bottom and will grow up the plant as it gets older (u really see it in photo) as for autos i have had that go up 2 nodes of the plant .........nothing bad it is a good thing the cells are what pumps the water and other stuff in the hollow parts to the flowers
Nutadactyl
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@justugh I'm learning so much stuff! Going for another calmag watering with some micros... Hoping to cease drooping! The soil is awfully dry after about 2 days I suppose being is mostly cocoa and perlite. Not necessarily dry weight wise. ( I have a 5 g with just soil dry as reference. Think it is bad to get micros on the fan leaves while watering?
justugh
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sorry man i keep forgetting
ok u are going to water the container .......i mean a full watering (fill a gallon jug and water around the outside moving in unitll some come out ) that is your maximum water
rem that amount when it is in full flowering that is the maximum amount u can offer it
now unless u have a air pump and stone this is going to cause the plant to droop (drowned it with to much water) this goes away .....now note the time it goes away until the next time u see droop that is your maximum time period .........as the plant gets bigger this decrease ........at one point doing it right u should be watering every 24/32 hours (but that is when u get good a feeding )
ok this plant is your base line plant .........your feed should have a full plan on the side to fallow if u do not have a full feed line then this is the one u want to start with
http://www.amazon.com/General-Hydroponics-Organics-Go-Box/dp/B004PS4B08
it is a all in one buy .....organic kit ....will do several plants ....i use this personally still
it has a plan on the side of the box for the whole life of the plant .....calmag and all that in there plus things u have not thought about as of yet ...........again this is your baseline plant for that strain fallow the plan and get a nice plant ........repeat the strain tweak the feed see if does better or worst for u
so u mix the feed every time / every other time all u (depends on the soil too) u want to water the plant just before the droop from not enough water
Nutadactyl
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Mixed with 1/5th strength nutes with ro and added calmag. Seeing some spotting. Medium indica types not showing much growth but look perky. Sativas are all droopy with spots. Hybrids are showing mixed results. Any thoughts? Slightly lighter colored leaves. Red stems nearly shed on all plants, veins receding as well. 
justugh
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u got a little bit of heat stress
see how that fan leave is curling up making like a cup shape to the leaf.........that is a sign of heat stress
back your light off 4 inches and think about adding a fan that moves to add a cross wind to hellp remove heat
(get a paint can with weight to it .......go and get a pine fur strip at home depot (98 cents for 8 foot 1 inch piece of wood) ...cut it down to 5 feet or so ........take the can place it on the floor take the wood stand it up against the can........tape the wood to the side of the can wrap it like 20 times with duct tape).......u just made a stand for a small fan to clip on
http://www.amazon.com/Holmes-Convertible-Desk-Black-HCF0611A-BM/dp/B007QE62PU
something like that one .........the pant can will keep it from tipping over and allow u to place it in a corner so the air moves around the plant ....keeping it cooler and happier ( do u work better with a cool breeze or do u like windless days)
growing indoors.......the point is to mimic the best day for the plant in nature (then repeat that as many times as possible to get the most out of the plant)
u want the humidity between 40-60% (anything above 60% mold can attach to the flowers and wreck the whole harvest)
u want the temps between 60-78 f degrees (anything above 80 F THC degrades faster ....if u are adding Co2 temp can get higher 85/88 f )
a trick to test for heat stress ...put your hand on top of the plant ....so the palm is touching the top and the back of the hand is facing the light hold your hand there for 30 secs if the back of your hand gets warm/uncomfortable back the light off ..........when the fan is on and blows by your hand u will feel what i am talking about with the breeze
see how that fan leave is curling up making like a cup shape to the leaf.........that is a sign of heat stress
back your light off 4 inches and think about adding a fan that moves to add a cross wind to hellp remove heat
(get a paint can with weight to it .......go and get a pine fur strip at home depot (98 cents for 8 foot 1 inch piece of wood) ...cut it down to 5 feet or so ........take the can place it on the floor take the wood stand it up against the can........tape the wood to the side of the can wrap it like 20 times with duct tape).......u just made a stand for a small fan to clip on
http://www.amazon.com/Holmes-Convertible-Desk-Black-HCF0611A-BM/dp/B007QE62PU
something like that one .........the pant can will keep it from tipping over and allow u to place it in a corner so the air moves around the plant ....keeping it cooler and happier ( do u work better with a cool breeze or do u like windless days)
growing indoors.......the point is to mimic the best day for the plant in nature (then repeat that as many times as possible to get the most out of the plant)
u want the humidity between 40-60% (anything above 60% mold can attach to the flowers and wreck the whole harvest)
u want the temps between 60-78 f degrees (anything above 80 F THC degrades faster ....if u are adding Co2 temp can get higher 85/88 f )
a trick to test for heat stress ...put your hand on top of the plant ....so the palm is touching the top and the back of the hand is facing the light hold your hand there for 30 secs if the back of your hand gets warm/uncomfortable back the light off ..........when the fan is on and blows by your hand u will feel what i am talking about with the breeze
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Semper.Fi
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Hey,
Agree ^^^.
The spotting are they rusty looking dark spots forming at the blade ends of the leaves? If so, we're probably catching it just in time, sounds like calcium deficiency really setting in. Back all other nutes except the Cal/Mag.
Does your Cal Mag have any Nitrogen in it? Prob does, ideal if it didn't
P.S. So difficult to get any idea of what your plant is doing under those LED lights dude, can you take some pics with a white light please?
Agree ^^^.
The spotting are they rusty looking dark spots forming at the blade ends of the leaves? If so, we're probably catching it just in time, sounds like calcium deficiency really setting in. Back all other nutes except the Cal/Mag.
Does your Cal Mag have any Nitrogen in it? Prob does, ideal if it didn't
P.S. So difficult to get any idea of what your plant is doing under those LED lights dude, can you take some pics with a white light please?
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Nutadactyl
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I can't find info on vegamatrix boost. Says its calmag... I'll feed again in 2 days with calmag water PhD at 7 r/o hope they live!
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It's quite cool and has a fan blowing on them. Is there a safe video medium to show for advice?
Semper.Fi
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The cupping and the gnarly growth head could indicate Ca deficiency perhaps ???
Where the extremes of the leaf are cupping, is the longest side of each serration giving of an appearance of a slight S shape??
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Where the extremes of the leaf are cupping, is the longest side of each serration giving of an appearance of a slight S shape??
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Nutadactyl
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Yes! What should I do doc? Ppm meter comes tomorrow and ph meter!
Semper.Fi
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Ok, so if you know, for sure, that heat is not causing the cupping, it's my recommendation to folia feed them lightly with a cal mag supplememt, pref. with no Nitrogen in it . . .
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Nutadactyl
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I'm sure, I'll get some calmag tomorrow and give it a shot! Thanks !
justugh
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they are telling u right but u forgot the calmag ......it is going to drop the PH of the water so u need to rebalanced it before u spray
i never seen it cup for anything other then heat stress the calmag for me always was the rust spots but it is possible i do not know everything .....they make something called Flower Kiss by fox farms it is a leaf spray mix .....like 3 mls for 16 oz of water ....that has helped me out before http://www.amazon.com/Fox-Farm-Bushdoctor-Flowers-Fertilizer/dp/B00BYG654E/
now i mix something called Elemental from roots organic into my soil before i plant .......great shit http://www.aurorainnovations.org/elemental.html
http://www.amazon.com/Organics-Elemental-Macronutrient-Micronutrient-Supplement/dp/B009XL0X6S/
the elemental is 20% cal so it took that issue away for me in the last 6 grows
i never seen it cup for anything other then heat stress the calmag for me always was the rust spots but it is possible i do not know everything .....they make something called Flower Kiss by fox farms it is a leaf spray mix .....like 3 mls for 16 oz of water ....that has helped me out before http://www.amazon.com/Fox-Farm-Bushdoctor-Flowers-Fertilizer/dp/B00BYG654E/
now i mix something called Elemental from roots organic into my soil before i plant .......great shit http://www.aurorainnovations.org/elemental.html
http://www.amazon.com/Organics-Elemental-Macronutrient-Micronutrient-Supplement/dp/B009XL0X6S/
the elemental is 20% cal so it took that issue away for me in the last 6 grows
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Semper.Fi
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Oooooooh shit . . . . . .
Missed this . . . . . . . . for which I humbly apologize!!!
We could be starting to lock out if we are feeding and watering over 6.2ph . . . . . Soilless mediums have an ideal PH range of about 5.8 to 6.2 imho . . . .
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Missed this . . . . . . . . for which I humbly apologize!!!
Coco & Perlite to,what, soil? Ratio please?
We could be starting to lock out if we are feeding and watering over 6.2ph . . . . . Soilless mediums have an ideal PH range of about 5.8 to 6.2 imho . . . .
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Semper.Fi
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Hey justugh . . . .
If one considers that Calcium plays a key role in dealing with stresses, such as heat, and our OP assures us that the temps are in range; it allows me a little confidence to think, well, if the plant ain't handling normal temps . . . .then Calcium is very likely to be the key element that is missing in this scenario . . . . especially as I've just recently read that the Op's medium is mostly Coco and Perlite . . . .
I've had cupping, from some strains, during late prop. at 70c . . . . . the leaves flattened out with a very light misting of a lone Ca solution . . . . . .I believe it was able to handle the "heat" a little more. (Ca used more than Mg in all stages of veg I reckon. So I don't use a Cal/Mag product.)
Perhaps the more Ca assimilated is directly in relation to the amount of heat our plants can handle????
I also believe, if one has anything other than smooth round trunks and stems to plants, they could either do with; more watering and less feeding or more watering with just Ca, or simply more Ca in the equation!! Meaning, a trunk that has ridges down it can either indicate over feeding OR not enough Calcium in her diet!! It ain't natural, your plant is NOT at 100% if you can feel ridges down it, imho.
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If one considers that Calcium plays a key role in dealing with stresses, such as heat, and our OP assures us that the temps are in range; it allows me a little confidence to think, well, if the plant ain't handling normal temps . . . .then Calcium is very likely to be the key element that is missing in this scenario . . . . especially as I've just recently read that the Op's medium is mostly Coco and Perlite . . . .
I've had cupping, from some strains, during late prop. at 70c . . . . . the leaves flattened out with a very light misting of a lone Ca solution . . . . . .I believe it was able to handle the "heat" a little more. (Ca used more than Mg in all stages of veg I reckon. So I don't use a Cal/Mag product.)
Perhaps the more Ca assimilated is directly in relation to the amount of heat our plants can handle????
I also believe, if one has anything other than smooth round trunks and stems to plants, they could either do with; more watering and less feeding or more watering with just Ca, or simply more Ca in the equation!! Meaning, a trunk that has ridges down it can either indicate over feeding OR not enough Calcium in her diet!! It ain't natural, your plant is NOT at 100% if you can feel ridges down it, imho.
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Nutadactyl
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Ahh I love learning! I will find Roots Organics ratio today and see if I can find some str8 cal. Would str8 calmag without nitrogen still be more promising than not? I'll have updates with more pics. And some sidebysides as each plant seems to take its own swing with how to react lol. Thanks so much guys!
Semper.Fi
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For sure bro, the N in it is prob about 1% anyways, hopefully, get some of it on her . . . .
Semper.Fi
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Hey guys,
Before I hit the sack . . . . was just gonna brush up on cupping from Calcium deprivation . . .
I don't want people with heat stress issues to be bombarding their babies with calcium when there is no need, as the cupping from heat is similar . . . . oh and of course, I don't want people with Ca issues depriving their plants of heat
Some pics, first two of one of my autos, just in the need of Calcium, you can see in the first photo not much ruffling, yes ruffling I'm gonna call it from here on in . . . . lol though the leaf without much ruffling was slightly higher than the one with more ruffling . . . .
Then I'd like you all to view the third picture, defo heat stress, can you see the subtle differences between the bends in the leaves????
See how, unlike the third picture, the very tips seem to be unaffected, they remain quite straight, it's the longest side of the serration that is ruffling . . . . You will also notice on pic three, that pretty much all the leaves are cupping because of heat.
If these two piccies were anything to do with heat, wouldn't they all be uniformly cupping; not just the odd serration here and there? And wouldn't all leaves exhibit the same? With Ca deprivation, as it's immobile, it will show up first in the weakest points imho
So the first two . . . . . Calcium Deprivation leaf RUFFLING
Third piccie . . Heat Stress Leaf CURLING / CUPPING
Ahhhhh yourrrrrrrrr forts a pleaseaaaaaaaaaa
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Nutadactyl
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Heat stress has a more visual logic to our brains, I think... Through visual deductive reasoning it seems you could see the plant react to the light!(heat source.).Hey guys,
Before I hit the sack . . . . was just gonna brush up on cupping from Calcium deprivation . . .
I don't want people with heat stress issues to be bombarding their babies with calcium when there is no need, as the cupping from heat is similar . . . .
Some pics, first two of one of my autos, just in the need of Calcium, you can see in the first photo not much ruffling, yes ruffling I'm gonna call it from here on in . . . . lol though the leaf without much ruffling was slightly higher than the one with more ruffling . . . .
Then I'd like you all to view the third picture, defo heat stress, can you see the subtle differences between the bends in the leaves????
So the first two . . . . . Calcium Deprivation leaf RUFFLING
Third piccie . . Heat Stress Leaf CURLING / CUPPING
Ahhhhh yourrrrrrrrr forts a pleaseaaaaaaaaaa
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