4 x 150w E-conolights

jonnynobody

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Right now i've got 2 x150w e-conolights ($30 shipped) & i'm 4 weeks into flower but I really want to kick things into high gear for the last 4-6 weeks & get 2 more 150's but I wasn't sure if that would be overkill or if there's anybody out there thats attempted this setup....i'm cheap & I can't afford to buy a nice setup all at one time so I nickle & dime here n there which is perfect for building my arsenal of e-conolights :)

dual diy cooltube would b sweet
 

greenanator

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Hi I'm running 2 x 250w Envirolights (red) over 6 x half a meter tall plants. We started off with 1 bulb which was doing fine but i had second one spare so we put that in about a week and a half into flowering and there great. The first bulb was on 24hr for 3 weeks of veggin and subsiquently it doesnt give off as much heat as the new bulb. However as you know these dont get particularly hot anyway but the newest of the 2 bulbs has made the encloser a little too hot at times, so as a precaution i'v put in an extractor fan which is plugged into a thermal switch plug. (which is great cheap way of controlling the temp, it works the same as a timer switch but instead of coming on at a set time it comes on when it gets to a certain temp. Plus it was only about £15 on ebay. Dont see many people with these in there setup but they really should) But anyway as a conclusion, no i dont think they will be over kill but just make sure it doesn't start getting too hot in there.
 

jonnynobody

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How can anyone answer this without knowing the dimensions of his grow space?
I use a dresser cab which is approx. 5' tall x 1.5' deep x 2' wide so it's a rather small space but I lst & keep them short & bushy as vertical space is a luxury I can't afford to waste. Anywho, ventilation is not the problem which is why I mentioned the potential use of a dual cooltube design. I've got the s&p td-125 on standby which I might call into action for this setup. I've got the 2x150's going right now which was supposed to go in the hurricane glass candle tube I got weeks ago but procrastination is a bitch especially when the task at hand is not a necessity. So, I was just curious if anybody had done this with the e-conolight vapor lights b/c i'd love to see their results more than anything. I know the heat isn't much of an issue b/c I take my ventilation very seriously & I spaz if my temps go above 83 which is out of my comfort zone....I even rigged up a 6" duct fan blowing over my 2 existing ballasts which really does keep them fairly cool. Before the fan, I could not touch the ballasts longer than a few seconds w/o burning my hand. Now with the fan blowing on them, you can hold on to them for minutes b4 they heat up again. Btw, I just started full strength on the techna flora nutes w/ b.c. boost & bloom, thrive alive red, sugar daddy, cal-mag, & awesome blossoms and the results are quite impressive. I was up in the air for a few days but at a little over 4 weeks into flower, these nutes are really starting to fill out my flower sites & the foliage has a much healthier color to it so for all of you pessimists out there, THIS NUTRIENT COCKTAIL DOES WORK.
 

SmokeyMcSmokester

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make cooltubes...you lose some lumens, but if you use them for vertical lighting you will be golden..

you can get a pyrex bake around, that is perfect, and fit two bulbs in one tube. just make sure you have a decent fan pushing air through it.
 

OregonMeds

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Four in that space would be a complete waste of electricity, but I would absolutely suggest a cooltube. It will let you get them down even closer and you're already golden on light in that tiny cab.

Post number 152 in this thread shows a cooltube made of a candle chimney that costs $10 at the big craft stores:
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/106339-150w-hps-club-inspirational-resource-4.html


Plus four 150's is 740watts of power consumption when you add ballast losses. Save your money for later when you have more room and need a larger light or for some new beans.
 

jonnynobody

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Four in that space would be a complete waste of electricity, but I would absolutely suggest a cooltube. It will let you get them down even closer and you're already golden on light in that tiny cab.

Post number 152 in this thread shows a cooltube made of a candle chimney that costs $10 at the big craft stores:
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/106339-150w-hps-club-inspirational-resource-4.html


Plus four 150's is 740watts of power consumption when you add ballast losses. Save your money for later when you have more room and need a larger light or for some new beans.
"You think I might need more CFL's or 2 HPS to balance the lighting evenly?
Its not worth running 2 HPS 150w lights, that would create a fair amount of heat, also, 2x 150hps will not create an even color, as both HPS emit the same color spectrum light 2000-2700k that is suited for flowering, altho a HPS bulb will veg a plant reasonably well, you would get larger plants during vegging if you used a MH light,as they are more suited to vegging due to their very blue color rating 6500k......."

Very good info on that post there....as many times as i've been on that thread, I can't friggin believe i missed it. In a perfect world I would have a 400w digital ballast but as it stands, i'm a broke mammer jammer till long after the holidays but i've only got 4-6 weeks to go b4 the chop so i'm in a tizz to get more lumens to my babies so I can fatten them up to the max.....even if i'm using less than efficient equipment to make it happen :)

It seems like the person that posted that was more or less just saying the heat buildup from using multiple 150's would not be suited well for the micro-cabs they're being used in...my situation however is different b/c I do not have a ventilation issue. As far as the extra power consumption goes, not a big deal....if I had 10 of these things going i'd say it makes sense to address that concern but w/3 or 4 I believe it to be an even trade-off. If I really wanted to go overboard there, I could put 150w horti bulbs in there w/added blue spectrum which would address the other issue on his post about the appropriate light spectrum.

In a nutshell, i've gathered that this can be done with the following pro's & con's:

PRO: More lumens / more even distribution of light / larger flowers

CON: More heat to dissipate / wasted energy due to inneficient equipment / no blue spectrum (unless you buy replacement bulbs)

For me, the pro's outweigh the cons since heat is not an issue for me & I don't believe the lack of blue spectrum outweighs the availability of an additional 15,000 lumens for the plant to soak up.
 

OregonMeds

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No I mean no benefit no matter what temps you have, too much too much. Get a bigger cab.

720 watts dude... You realize that could power a 600w hps with 95,000 lumens. You would get 60,000 and burn more electric.

Wouldn't hurt to add TWO 42w or so cfl's 6500k though for that blue you want. Not 10. You can't force feed a plant more nutes than it can handle, and also there is a point where it's too much light and the plant spends soo much time sweating it doesn't grow as much at all. It doesn't matter if it's 70 degrees f in there, the radiant heat you can't remove is cooking it.
 

jonnynobody

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No I mean no benefit no matter what temps you have, too much too much. Get a bigger cab.

720 watts dude... You realize that could power a 600w hps with 95,000 lumens. You would get 60,000 and burn more electric.

Wouldn't hurt to add TWO 42w or so cfl's 6500k though for that blue you want. Not 10. You can't force feed a plant more nutes than it can handle, and also there is a point where it's too much light and the plant spends soo much time sweating it doesn't grow as much at all. It doesn't matter if it's 70 degrees f in there, the radiant heat you can't remove is cooking it.
dammit everytime I think i have you cornered, you offer more relevant information :) That analogy did it for me. Htg has some affordable kits so I think i'll keep things as is for the rest of this run then switch over to a 400w hps w/horti bulb next time...I probably should have mentioned, right now the cab is actually not closed & has a 24" box fan blowing directly on the lights/plants on medium which really circulates a lot of air & it sits in a large closet so ambient temp is never over 80 & RH is never below 40 but never over 50 so environmentwise, I think i'm ok but using that many e-conolights would be grossly inefficient....almost embarassing :)

back on the righteous path again...
 
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