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DirtyDiana

Active Member
if you raise it would cover more area but it will be weaker for your plants meaning they would not be getting the lumens they should as if it was closer.Thats why some people add supplement light like cfls or another hps
Thanks wyteberry! I have some cfl's but I didnt know if Id be better off getting a 600. Somewhere on here, dont remember the page, someone was talking about trimming the plants. Is that recommended? These girls are super bushy, will it help light get to more areas if I trim the plants? I topped and lst'd the hell out of 4, and 1 I just left alone to see what difference there would be, this is my 3rd grow. I am scared now that them being so bushy is going to stop the underneath from budding.
 
If any trimming is done i would do lower branches that are not high enough.As they would only be popcorn buds if you trim those popcorn buds then your plants will put most of its energy to promote a fat cola.
Im not a fan of trimming fan leaves
 

DirtyDiana

Active Member
ok, when looking into trimming I saw a lot of people were not fans of trimming the fans. I am just thinking maybe I shouldnt have been so excited to get these girls so full. I guess I will learn from what happens after this grow. My last successful grow was auto road runners under the 400, they were short and fast so it wasnt a problem, then I did the whole lst'ing over and over on these and I wasnt prepared for how full theyd get. 8 days into flowering so maybe Ill just see what happens with these.
 

DirtyDiana

Active Member
I am working on that with my husband. We are just a little freaked out on how much our energy bills have gone up and are afraid of being flagged. But I guess since I will not be vegging and flowering at the same time anymore I could use a few extra lights here.
 
I am working on that with my husband. We are just a little freaked out on how much our energy bills have gone up and are afraid of being flagged. But I guess since I will not be vegging and flowering at the same time anymore I could use a few extra lights here.
I doubt you will be flagged for adding another 300-400 watts..Shit a space heater is 1500 watts and people use those almost all winter...I hear ya tho bills are expensive
 

DirtyDiana

Active Member
I was trying to figure out why the bill jumped so much, but now that you mention the space heaters, we have 3 kids, 3 bedrooms, and had one in each bedroom, hmmm.....so I bet that had A LOT to do with the extra costs!!!!!!!! LOL I turned into mean mom and made all the kids have a certain amount of time on the ps3 wii and xbox, including my husband, and started becoming a drill seargant!!!! Unplug everything not in use, go to the bathroom with the lights off lmao, I guess that is over doing it, but it is scary. I am not so much worried about what I have to pay, though that is a big sore, but my kw or whatever those letters are, usage about tripled from one month to the next. So cool, I bet not using the space heaters is going to make a big difference! Glad you brought that up. So tomorrow Im adding whatever other cfl's I have to spoil these girls as much as possible. I am in a house full of boys so these girls get SPECIAL treatment ;-)
 
I was trying to figure out why the bill jumped so much, but now that you mention the space heaters, we have 3 kids, 3 bedrooms, and had one in each bedroom, hmmm.....so I bet that had A LOT to do with the extra costs!!!!!!!! LOL I turned into mean mom and made all the kids have a certain amount of time on the ps3 wii and xbox, including my husband, and started becoming a drill seargant!!!! Unplug everything not in use, go to the bathroom with the lights off lmao, I guess that is over doing it, but it is scary. I am not so much worried about what I have to pay, though that is a big sore, but my kw or whatever those letters are, usage about tripled from one month to the next. So cool, I bet not using the space heaters is going to make a big difference! Glad you brought that up. So tomorrow Im adding whatever other cfl's I have to spoil these girls as much as possible. I am in a house full of boys so these girls get SPECIAL treatment ;-)
lmao i hear ya..Yeah those space heaters are the problem..1500 watts for more then 8 hours i rather have a 1000 watt on 12/12.
But like you i learned the hard way getting stuck with a 300 dollar bill and i was like how the fuck and realized it was the space heater..Now no space heater just more light lmao
 

DirtyDiana

Active Member
Good, now I am excited to see the outcome of the next bill. Im with ya there MORE LIGHT sounds like the better option for me too! THANKS WYTEBERRY!
 

odlaw

Active Member
you can buy smart meters that plug into ya power point then plug whatever into it program in what ya charged for electricity per kw and it tells you how much the device/devices cost to run
you will soon sort out whats costing a fortune lol even though we know its the heater/s
its still good to know what ya grow is costing ya lol
 

DirtyDiana

Active Member
you can buy smart meters that plug into ya power point then plug whatever into it program in what ya charged for electricity per kw and it tells you how much the device/devices cost to run
you will soon sort out whats costing a fortune lol even though we know its the heater/s
its still good to know what ya grow is costing ya lol
Thanks odlaw, i just might look into one of those. Will prolly come in handy towards the spring when I get ready to use the ac, then it will help me decide if I want to use my in room stand up ac. I might have to x that one out, Im sure it uses a shit load of energy!!!! These houses that they build so fast are made like crap! The house ac I was told is only big enough for an apartment!!!!! JERKS!!!!! It gets hot HOT in the summer, but I guess Ill be spending lots of time at the pool to keep the ac running as little as possible.
 

fabodnickMD

Member
........so I have been busy remodeling and implementing the next faze of my venture, so I thought I would first check in here and post a ref to My last few posts, just to bring everyone up to speed on the progression..........

.........first I set up with CFL's.....https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/378441-trailer-park-bagseed-cfl-grow.html#post4808040.......

.....and I also posted a small project that I put together to cut some costs....(I am a Grow-space tweeker for real).....https://www.rollitup.org/dwc-bubbleponics/379445-dwc-aero-bubble-ponic-88-a.html#post4824330.........

.......and now I am flippin' it up to HPS, 400w with a 6" hydrofarms inline 400cfm exhaust fan pulling from a 2" pvc inlet that vents from outside, at night when its nice and cold, fewer pest flying, ect........


...here are some pics, I will either journal this grow and post refs to it, or I can just post here....no need to be greedy..........

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sweetswisher

Active Member
thanks its my first indoor grow had to chop a plant that turned hermie the other day, but it was the weakest plant of the bunch so it didn't bother me to bad. I'm just curious tho its been 4 weeks why are there so many hairs but the buds aren't expanding? Will this happen the last few weeks of flowering?
 

Dropastone

Well-Known Member
thanks its my first indoor grow had to chop a plant that turned hermie the other day, but it was the weakest plant of the bunch so it didn't bother me to bad. I'm just curious tho its been 4 weeks why are there so many hairs but the buds aren't expanding? Will this happen the last few weeks of flowering?
Don't worry bro, she's just a teenager at 4 weeks. She'll be blossoming into a woman soon enough. Just give her little more time.
 

fabodnickMD

Member
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I have been looking thousands and thousands of photos and I see a lot of people have their 400 quite a distance above their plants, the plants do not look to be stretching, but I am scared if I raise my lights, to cover all 5 plants better, that the plants will stretch. If I could raise the light it would cover more area, but should I? Thanks guys!
.............there are many ways to look at this problem, some plants like it hot, some shrivel and die when its a few° too hot, so IMHO I would keep a close eye on things if you are "too close" for comfort.......I rely on the exchange rate of me Flowering chamber right now, I have it @ about 22X exchange , which keeps the tops of my Ladies a cool 78°.........I also have them SCROG, so I can pull them down when they take off.....all in all it depends on your space, and how your temps are. Anything more than a foot away from the tops of your Ladies (USING 400W) is halving your Lumen per cm ratios.......there are some really good references out there if really wanna find out more.........to quote an outside source......"
What distance should my light be from my plants?

For (artificial) light, there is a law that always applies known as the Inverse Square Law. It states that light diminishes exponentially in energy as the distance is increased from the source.

A good example is that you might be getting 1000 PAR Watts at 4" from your light source, but that would change to 250 PAR Watts at double the distance (8"). This law makes it EXTREMELY important for indoor plant growers to get their light source as close as possible to their plants. The amount of light your plant receives is directly related to it's yield/flower density.

The problem: Indoor lamps used for plant cultivation (HID - High Intensity Discharge) give off large amounts of heat, to such a degree that they could cause damage to the plant if put too close.

Indoors, there is an optimum distance/height between the plants and the light source. This distance fully illuminates the whole canopy with direct light from the source, but is as close as possible to the plants for maximum lumen intensity. This will be called the OLH, for Optimum Lamp Height.

Ultimately, to get the best light efficiency from your lamp, you want it at the OLH at all costs. But how can you get it there without causing harm to your plants with the abundant heat?

First, try moving your light to the OLH and see what it does to your plants. If they have no problem, then you're fine. If you have a high output HID, this probably won't be enough.

Next, try actively exhausting your light hood by hooking up a direct exhaust system to the hood, and then move your lamp to the OLH and see if the plants are O.K. If the plants still seemed affected by the heat, then you must add glass to your actively exhausted lamp hood. Glass will absorb/reflect/filter some of the light energy being emitted by the lamp.

The number would seem relatively low, around 2-3% of PAR wattage, but it will effectively filter out almost all of what little UV-B is emmitted by the lamp. UV-B is believed, and has been shown, to have a positive influence on the potency of Cannabis.

Overall, it would be beneficial for one to add glass if needed to keep their lamp at the OLH, due to the all-powerful Inverse Square Law; moving light farther away will greatly reduce the amount of energy being emitted and is reaching your plants (Light intensity is directly related to yield and flower density).

Almost all glass offered today for insertion in air-cooled lamp hoods is tempered glass, which is regular glass with low amounts of impurities. If one was looking for the most efficient glass for their hood, quartz glass will allow the transmission of UV-B, but is not made specifically for light hoods.

And also remember, that if you have a rectangular garden, it is important to position the longest side of the reflector parallel to the shortest side of your garden. (from FAQ by Head Rush)

Additional note: you should periodically inspect and clean your light hood and bulbs, especially after foliar feeding or underleaf spraying for insects. The dust and dirt that collects will definitely decrease reflectivity. Isopropanol alcohol, glass cleaner or water (and a soft cloth) can all be used to remove streaks, dust and spots.

Contributed by: MedMan

There are a number of factors which play a part in the temperature radiated from your bulb, watts, hood design and air circulation for example.

A simple method of testing for temperature is to use the back of your hand; if its too hot for your hand, its too hot for your plants. Good ventilation is the key to getting your light closer to the garden.

Editor's note:

Recommended typical OLH distances:

Flourescentsroximimty
400w HPS: 1 foot
600w HPS: 1.5 foot
1000w HPS: 2 foot

Author: BobbyDigital"
 
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