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lol.. dude... please spare your hypes to yourself.. N diminish trichs.. gimme a break.. curing makes the taste, not lack of N. Lack of N reduces your yields
Curing actually helps your flowers reach their full potential through the release of resin and terpenes. Terpenes is what makes the taste not curing or trichomes. Excessive nitrogen in the late phase of flowering will reduce the quantity of trichomes and lower the size of colas and increase node spacing. Nitrogen is responsible for growth of the plant and if in abundant supply late in flower cycle, will cause plant to continually (slightly) stretch. This is not my "hype", only information gained from The Rev and Ed Rosenthal. The Rev suggests a more direct schedule with feeding nitrogen using spikes and teas. Lack of nitrogen does reduce your yields, but only if given during the right times. I don't know if you grow organically or not, so I won't judge what you say or know, but have the requisite knowledge when you attack someone else's posting.
 

MrEDuck

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If you have nursery or garden store by you they'll have better stuff than HD or Lowes. I'm a big fan of Jack's Classic products. The Citrus FeED is pretty awesome for weed. I've been using the 20-20-20 because my garden center was out of the citrus. Container grown plants really don't need the amount of P they often get fed. Tissue data shows P is the 5th most abundant element of the 6 macronutrients. Certainly doesn't seem like the number one most important nute in flower.
I actually wan. To start making my own nutes from metal salts.
 

smokeytokeybear

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ive been you using mg and its way to high in n
so im kinda stumped, i live in the swamps mr educk lol
ill try and find jacks any thing else you reccomend?
 

MrEDuck

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I've used miracle grow and done ok with it. You can order Jack's and not get murdered on the shipping because they're solids. A 5lb tub will get to you for under $20.
Metal salts would be things like potassium nitrate or magnesium sulfate. PM away, I'm probably going to bed pretty soon but I'll get to it in the morning.
 

jondamon

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Curing actually helps your flowers reach their full potential through the release of resin and terpenes. Terpenes is what makes the taste not curing or trichomes. Excessive nitrogen in the late phase of flowering will reduce the quantity of trichomes and lower the size of colas and increase node spacing. Nitrogen is responsible for growth of the plant and if in abundant supply late in flower cycle, will cause plant to continually (slightly) stretch. This is not my "hype", only information gained from The Rev and Ed Rosenthal. The Rev suggests a more direct schedule with feeding nitrogen using spikes and teas. Lack of nitrogen does reduce your yields, but only if given during the right times. I don't know if you grow organically or not, so I won't judge what you say or know, but have the requisite knowledge when you attack someone else's posting.
Spoken light someone who's still on their first grow and haven't tried anything out yet.


Those of us talking about "yellow" leaves not being good are people who have actually tried higher N foods.


I use a 6-3-8 from start to finish.

Now granted an extremely high N food can cause problems later in flowering, and as MrEDuck pointed out the use of something like a 5-1-1 will hinder flower production.

No botanist would ever let their plants get deficiencies. Regardless of what stage of a plants life it is.


Part of the curing process (have you ever cured?) is to allow bacteria to use chlorophyll. Chlorophyll is the green pigment in the leaves. N Ca and Mg all help to realise this chlorophyll with Mg being the most abundant element in chlorophyll.

Just because you've read a few books about growing MJ doesn't mean its law.

Most of the more knowledgable folks on RIU have actually grown strains and tested differing methods. Such as flushing, leaching, high P and K foods, ripening agents, sweeteners blah blah blah.


Honestly the next thing to come out of your mouth will be that molasses makes buds sweeter and dense.





J
 

MrEDuck

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Spoken light someone who's still on their first grow and haven't tried anything out yet.


Those of us talking about "yellow" leaves not being good are people who have actually tried higher N foods.


I use a 6-3-8 from start to finish.

Now granted an extremely high N food can cause problems later in flowering, and as MrEDuck pointed out the use of something like a 5-1-1 will hinder flower production.

No botanist would ever let their plants get deficiencies. Regardless of what stage of a plants life it is.


Part of the curing process (have you ever cured?) is to allow bacteria to use chlorophyll. Chlorophyll is the green pigment in the leaves. N Ca and Mg all help to realise this chlorophyll with Mg being the most abundant element in chlorophyll.

Just because you've read a few books about growing MJ doesn't mean its law.

Most of the more knowledgable folks on RIU have actually grown strains and tested differing methods. Such as flushing, leaching, high P and K foods, ripening agents, sweeteners blah blah blah.


Honestly the next thing to come out of your mouth will be that molasses makes buds sweeter and dense.





J
Technically there is more N in the chlorophyll protein than there is Mg, but the active site that it is useless without is an Mg ion.
I agree that the only way to really learn to grow is to experiment with it. Learn to keep plants healthy the whole way before you go trying to push it. It's amazing what a healthy cannabis plant will put out, especially with a little canopy management.
Who makes the 6-3-8 you use and what kind of medium are you in?
 

jondamon

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Technically there is more N in the chlorophyll protein than there is Mg, but the active site that it is useless without is an Mg ion.
I agree that the only way to really learn to grow is to experiment with it. Learn to keep plants healthy the whole way before you go trying to push it. It's amazing what a healthy cannabis plant will put out, especially with a little canopy management.
Who makes the 6-3-8 you use and what kind of medium are you in?
I've been a CANNA man for 4 years.

The 6-3-8 I currently use is CANNA AQUA VEGA. I run coco with around 20% perlite.

The AQUA range is actually for recirculating hydro systems but it works kick ass as a DTW. The runoff then on odd occasions makes its way outside to my Hebes, Dahlia's, Lavendar and Asiatic Lillies.


I've tried quite a few of the varying CANNA nutes. My best success has been from using the AQUA VEGA. Don't get me wrong though I have extra additives I use too such as
Mono Ca
Mono Mg
Si
PK1314
Enzyme product
Root stimulator
Trichoderma
Mycorrhizae

I found with the AQUA range that the FLORES version with its 4-4-11 was whack during flowering. Causing premature yellowing and leaf drop.
I've also tried the COCO range and although the 5-4-3 was good I felt it was lacking in some real punch power during flowering which causes you to try and run extra P and K to help out but this in itself can cause excessive yellowing if you aren't careful, higher doses of Ca and Mg along with the coco range at PK booster times helps to eleviate the yellowing.


I'm pretty confident though that you could run just the 6-3-8 I use from start to finish with nothing else.

I use root stims to aid root growth, enzymes to keep away springtails, Trichoderma as a pest control as it out competes pests for food, myco to extend root hairs and help me feed heavier etc. Si to help with cell walls and natural defences.





J
 

MrEDuck

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I've heard lots of good things about Canna nutes. I ran H&G for awhile and was very pleased with running Aqua Flakes straight through. I tried the Roots Excelurator and it definitely increased root growth in the plants that I used it on but it didn't appear to be worth the cost. I get plenty of good roots anyway!
 
Spoken light someone who's still on their first grow and haven't tried anything out yet.


Those of us talking about "yellow" leaves not being good are people who have actually tried higher N foods.


I use a 6-3-8 from start to finish.

Now granted an extremely high N food can cause problems later in flowering, and as MrEDuck pointed out the use of something like a 5-1-1 will hinder flower production.

No botanist would ever let their plants get deficiencies. Regardless of what stage of a plants life it is.


Part of the curing process (have you ever cured?) is to allow bacteria to use chlorophyll. Chlorophyll is the green pigment in the leaves. N Ca and Mg all help to realise this chlorophyll with Mg being the most abundant element in chlorophyll.

Just because you've read a few books about growing MJ doesn't mean its law.

Most of the more knowledgable folks on RIU have actually grown strains and tested differing methods. Such as flushing, leaching, high P and K foods, ripening agents, sweeteners blah blah blah.


Honestly the next thing to come out of your mouth will be that molasses makes buds sweeter and dense.





J
You don't quite read and understand posts huh? I never said that this is what I do or what someone else should do, I was only mentioning other ideas for situation he was facing with his plants. Nothing is ever law when trying to grow a living, breathing piece of horticultural artwork.
I am actually on my second MJ grow after serving in the Navy, but I also grow veggies in an organic garden. I had a few hydro grows before I joined the service, and I have only been on RIU for 2 months so I don't have an excessive amount of posts or rep, but that doesn't make anything I post any less viable than someone else.
Before I joined the Navy, my hombre and I ran a 10 plant wick-resevoir hydro system for several harvests, so some of what I talk about is from then and what I learned at Oaksterdam U and from books/forum/etc. I have moved on to soil and now organics after advice from others and for a more natural way to grow medicine.
As for deficiencies, Subcool and most all his Weed Nerds love for their plants to fade late in life, but they don't know what they are talking about and are probably noobs too. I guess so are the people who wait it out and keep feeding normally, only to find that the plant corrected itself naturally by absorbing the nutrients it needs while keeping a watchful eye to ensure the plant stays healthy and full of vigor.
As far as testing different methods, I believe whole-heartedly in this, but once someone finds what works for them, stick with it and fine tune it to perfection. I have two plants with chemical nutes and some ripening agents (bud candy & overdrive), i have a few using Subcool's Supersoil and yet another using just organic soil and AACTs.
And as far as molasses goes, I use it in my organic tea's but mostly for the sugars to feed the microbial life in the soil.
 

MrEDuck

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I did a double blind test on flushed vs unflushed bud where I gave a friend two samples of three week cured bud labeled A and B and asked him to give them to a few people and ask for feedback on taste. We only had a sample size of 6 but my interpretation of the data was that no one could tell. But if you don't do blind sampling you will have confirmation bias. If you respect Subcool and his fans you will believe that by flushing you will make your bud taste better so your flushed buds will taste better to you.
I wish that we would make it a goal of our education system to turn out scientifically literate citizens. Though I guess that's too much to ask when they have trouble making literate citizens.
 
True that. Did u know they don't even teach cursive in school anymore because its too hard for kids to learn?! Now Florida is allowing high schoolers to graduate without passing the requisite math & science classes, it will be like a vocationalhigh school diploma.
I don't doubt or promote anything when it comes to growing MJ; if it works for you, then go with it.
I haven't had any major except for a few transplant issues, dropped one plant and SLH roots grew onto pot and partially tore when removing. It had a lil droop and leaves got kinda soft, but after watering and 12hrs of light it seems to be improving (she was blasting off originally).
 

MrEDuck

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I'm actually much less concerned about cursive now that there are programs that allow computers to make securely dated lab notebooks for R&D. Before that I was furious about it, but typing is a more useful skill. I'd trade my handwriting for the ability to type 100+ wpm.
STEM education in the US is awful. I don't see how this country is going to remain competitive when we fall behind in R&D and we don't build anything!
 
Especially with the almost nationwide implement of "Common Core." Another step towards the dumbing down of the American masses. The typical papers written by most youths these days is atrocious; most write like they text with no proper use of grammer at all. As far as R&D is concerned, we are years behind most other developed nations, with the exception of military-budgeted (and the now defunct space program) projects. We put our money in the wrong pockets to make improvements in this country and it is the cause of our continual decline.
 
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