i must have missed that thread.. i only found out cuz pipe dream knew that i've been looking for it, and he sent me a pm telling me it was in stock, which was very awesome of him to do.. i grabbed up a pack of them though, simply had to.. i don't understand how the tude has these being that they are discontinued or whatnot from dna.. maybe they ran across some old stock somewhere or another like what happened with the g13 xww that i got about a month or two ago.. i even went back and checked after i ordered them to see if they still had them in stock, and they do, so they must have atleast two packs of them, lol.. i did the same thing with the g13x ww after i ordered them, and they were no longer in stock, so either they only had one pack of them, or someone else grabbed them all up the same time that i did..