4x4 Tent - Blue Hash and A-Train

smokingrubber

smokingrubber

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I'm probably going to go with this model just because you can duct the Co2 directly into the tent. I like that it can be mounted to a wall and it puts off relatively little heat. I will wait a few months . . . until I move. For this grow, I'll have to invest in a bottle setup.

I've got a 250 gallon horse trough that would be perfect as a back yard reservior.

http://www.hydroinnovations.com/product2.htm

That's funny because I have seen a house that had 2 water lines running into a water trough and I never knew what they were for. I have koi in my trough but their setup didn't look anything like mine. Now I know what they were doing ;) No wonder they didn't want to talk about it, or koi. LOL
 
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Bob Smith

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smokingrubber said:
I'm probably going to go with this model just because you can duct the Co2 directly into the tent. I like that it can be mounted to a wall and it puts off relatively little heat. I will wait a few months . . . until I move. For this grow, I'll have to invest in a bottle setup.

I've got a 250 gallon horse trough that would be perfect as a back yard reservior.

http://www.hydroinnovations.com/product2.htm

That's funny because I have seen a house that had 2 water lines running into a water trough and I never knew what they were for. I have koi in my trough but their setup didn't look anything like mine. Now I know what they were doing ;) No wonder they didn't want to talk about it, or koi. LOL
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A couple of things - what model can be ducted directly into the tent, the HydroGen? And if that's possible with that, I imagine I can do it with mine - if I can't, might just have to buy a HydroGen as well as the other CO2 devices I have.

And also, if you're sure you're getting a generator at a later date, I wouldn't spend the money on CO2 for this grow - it'll just be a few hundred bucks that you'll never get back, IMHO.

I'm keeping my tanks and regulator in case the summertime is just too hot for a generator, but if I could go back a couple of months, I wouldn't have bought them.

Ah, who am I kidding, I probably would've bought them anyways, but that's because I'm made of money (just kidding).
 
smokingrubber

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Yes, the HydroGEN can be ducted into the tent. It has a 6" exhaust port coming straight off the top. Since the exhaust is being water cooled, it's naturally being funneled through a heat-exchanger enclosed system. That's all covered in the video.

Right now, my ony problem with it would be the reservior. Maybe I'll drain to waste for a few months though. That waste water would still be cheaper than a Co2 bottle and regulator. Just thinking it through. We all wish we were made of money like you ;)
 
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Bob Smith

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Yeah, in hindsight I might have to get a HydroGen - have plenty of room for a large reservoir to cool it with.

We'll see what happens though.
 
smokingrubber

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I'm sure you could sell the one you just bought, or cancel the order cuz you just ordered it last night? Call em.
 
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Bob Smith

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Nah, I'll just wait until it gets here and see what I can do with it - feel bad after hounding that guy to make sure he had it in stock to cancel it.

Plus, I still have some reservations about the HydroGen (also didn't see where it said you could pump into another room, am I missing that?).
 
smokingrubber

smokingrubber

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Bob Smith said:
Plus, I still have some reservations about the HydroGen (also didn't see where it said you could pump into another room, am I missing that?).
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He discusses it in the video. While the unit running, he puts his hand over the vent hole to show that it's not hot and says it can be ducted into another room (tent). If you use foil ducting that's a little extra long, that would leech off the heat too. He also discusses a water valve soloniod that can be installed on your house water to allow the system to be controlled by the Sentinal.

In the "run to waiste" mode, it dumps 13 gal per hour. Assuming that it's only ON half the time and only on during daytime . . . that's only 78 gal per day. That's not bad. An extra $20-$30 on the water bill maybe. If I only do that for 3 or 4 months, that's much cheaper than a bottle setup.
 
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Bob Smith

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Yeah, I was kinda figuring that with long enough ducting I could hopefully let some of the heat dissipate before it got blown into the tent.

Regardless, have a sneaking suspicion that I'll be buying one of those come summertime.
 
smokingrubber

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I've decided to LST these little bitches. Thanks Abnjm! I will only LST them half way around the pot though. I'm going to go back and read a little more info on actually doing it, but the process has begun. The happy ones are pushing higher and higher. The stalks are getting thick so I'm afraid if I wait much longer, it'll be too late.



I have to drill holes in the upper pots. I figured 8 holes equally spaced around a 10" pot. They end up being about 2" apart. Is this close enough? I practiced drilling a few of the emptys and now I'll practice my tying technique on one of the runts.



Am I using the right string?




Thanks for everyone's help. I have HIGH hopes ;) I'll be studying and playing with my string out back, if anyone needs me.

Study material: https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/6834-how-lst-low-stress-training.html
 
smokingrubber

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It just yokes over at the base. Is this right? Should I be pinching it into shape? I will wait a minute before continueing. I should have started this last week.

 
smokingrubber

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I did a few of the small ones before I tackled the big ones. When I pulled up Blue Hash #1 . . .


It's a good thing I had a few empty buckets to use underneath while I drill and tie.

Look how thick the stalk is. Is it too late to LST? Damn this is gonna suck.



It's getting dark already. I might have to wrap this up tomorrow. It got dark friggin fast it seems.

PS. that bag in the background is a turkey I'm brining.
 
Abnjm

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I'm trying to find my other study materials, but I don't think I bookmarked them. Sorry dude.

Some people tie the very base of the plant to the opposite side from where they are pulling the plant. This allows you to pull the plant over without yanking out the roots. I don't think there is any right or wrong way to do the LST. As long as you understand you are trying to get maximum light to the lower branches, you'll know what to do.

As fast as your plants are growing, I don't think you'll make it half way around the pot. They'll be too thick! :hump:

EDIT: I used kite string too. It worked fine. Just be sure to secure the plant with a loose loop around the stem.
 
smokingrubber

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Thanks. I left a pretty fat loop for the stalk. I think I'm doing okay for a virgin. It's a little down and dirty . . . like most good things ;)

 
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Well I got it done. It wasn't too bad (only 8 plants). Had to bust out the portable light setup. Next time I'll do better for sure and the last couple ones went much smoother once I figured out a system. That would have been a real bitch if I couldn't take them out of the tent though. I will have to find a bucket that fits underneath after my other pots are filled.

It's about 3 hrs to lights out and they always get very droopy right before bed. I don't expect much movement before tomorrow. My lighting schedule is ON from 4am to 10pm. I will snap another pic in the morning at around 7.




Time to cook a turkey :)
 
smokingrubber

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Mornin :)

I popped my head in the tent this morning and everyone was happy to see me. Well, they were happy at least. The main stalks had moved over a couple inches, but everyone was standing straight up like nothin bad had happened. I can see I'm gonna have to do it again in a day or two.

I snapped a pic but my camera is out in the car. I'll post it in awhile.
 
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Bob Smith

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Interested; I frankly don't really know what LST is or have ever seen a real tutorial on it - definitely paying attention.

With my plant numbers, probably not something I'll ever do, but who knows if I might decide to switch in the future.

Good stuff.
 
laserbrn

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Bob Smith said:
Interested; I frankly don't really know what LST is or have ever seen a real tutorial on it - definitely paying attention.

With my plant numbers, probably not something I'll ever do, but who knows if I might decide to switch in the future.

Good stuff.
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LST is good stuff. I'm done with it, but it works and it does increase yield. If you are looking to keep your plant numbers low it's the way to go. I did quite the LST job on my first grow where I only used 2 plants and got a couple oz's from each under a 250w HPS. Don't think I could've matched that without doing it and kept it two plants.

Starting early is important so it looks like you're off to the right track.
 
smokingrubber

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Bob Smith said:
Interested; I frankly don't really know what LST is or have ever seen a real tutorial on it - definitely paying attention.

With my plant numbers, probably not something I'll ever do, but who knows if I might decide to switch in the future.

Good stuff.
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I'm learning as I go. So far, it seems pretty straight forward. I like the idea of 60-100 colas plastered all over the tent. :shock: I also want the increased yield. I'm hoping for 2½lbs. That would be right around 1 watt = 1 gram so it seems like a reasonable goal. That could be pie in the sky, but a man can dream. I know the Blue Hash is a good yielder so that should stack the deck a bit.

With my system, I can only run 12 plants and it will be easy to put fans underneath the canopy, so I should have fantastic air flow. There is no reason to not attempt a nice SOG.
 
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