5 gallon cloth bags with handles or 5 gallon plastic pots?

thewanderingjack

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Nice! I hear you on the alternative to the "sod busting" thing! Someone here brought up the old "growing" in a straw bale thing. I grew up on a farm and mom taught that to us kids.
I brought that up at an FFA meeting and taught a brief class on how that was done with tomato's and home made tea's as an example.
Now as I drive around the area. I see gardens with tomato's in straw bales all over! Some real nice one's too! If only more conservation could catch on!
Rock on!

(I know you know but...) You can do strawberries in straw too! HAHA.

Lot's of great ways to let nature work for you! Current popular methods (in industrialized nations) often seem to actually require more work for no added benefit... except maybe looking "nicer"?
 

Chunky Stool

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Trying to reinvent plant physiology and bullshit people is childish and chickenshit. There are new growers here who are learning and looking for info so when someone tries to impress them by blowing smoke up their butt it's laughable but sad too because misinformation can really discourage someone when they get into trouble by doing something stupid that they were told they should do.
Oh my god, you are stupid! I'm done. Welcome to the ignore list.
 

Dr. Who

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I used plant warrior pots instead of my trusty 5 gal. buckets. I did not like them due to drying to much when the plants get bigger. Ymmv
I've used and like Plant warrior pots - water more often.....
You need to bend to your plants needs....They do NOT bend to yours!
 

dandyrandy

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I've used and like Plant warrior pots - water more often.....
You need to bend to your plants needs....They do NOT bend to yours!
These wilted in half a day in 5 gal plant warrior pots at this size. I water around 1.5 gal per 5 gal bucket every other day at 2 weeks bloom. I like my 5 gal buckets. I'll mail you my plant warrior pots.
 

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thewanderingjack

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900w in 15 sq ft the plants transpire a lot of water at this stage.
I should think so... like I said, my humidity is too high... i get condensation problems (on overlapping leaves)... very little/no transpiration so much... probably one more reason my plants are bit small(er than they should've been)

I knew what I was going to face: HIGH humidity... Coastal NorCal... fog pretty much every night... my outdoor plants (tomatoes mostly) look freshly watered every morning. LOW temps: during this grow, May through August now... we maybe saw one week in the 70's during the day... themps were low 60's (day) to low 50's (night)... I wanted to see what the plants would do in these bad situation with minimal aid... way better than expected for sure... quality is great but weight is pretty small (looking at this point anyway)... They're bushy and lush... except for minor nitro burn at the last water which I immediately correctted... burned a few sugar leaves but oh well.
 

Budley Doright

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Nice! I hear you on the alternative to the "sod busting" thing! Someone here brought up the old "growing" in a straw bale thing. I grew up on a farm and mom taught that to us kids.
I brought that up at an FFA meeting and taught a brief class on how that was done with tomato's and home made tea's as an example.
Now as I drive around the area. I see gardens with tomato's in straw bales all over! Some real nice one's too! If only more conservation could catch on!
We use straw to surround all of the cucumbers and zucchini so they sit on top and don't rot :). I do have tomato rot ;(, gonna grab the Calmag out of the shed tonight ;).
 

420producer

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Hmm maybe warrior pots would work for me... high humidity area... my reg 3 gal pots refuse to dry out... and I barely water at all.
you have uptake issue . check your ph for that mix. i was ph'ing this crap as if it was hydro and locked me out.. notice the one on the right?? no more charged soilless mediums for me ... got this stuff in colorado called moonshine.. batch 64?? GARBAGE!!! imo
 

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thewanderingjack

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you have uptake issue . check your ph for that mix. i was ph'ing this crap as if it was hydro and locked me out.. notice the one on the right?? no more charged soilless mediums for me ... got this stuff in colorado called moonshine.. batch 64?? GARBAGE!!! imo
I know why you would think so, but I really don't.

My humidity where I live is super high... temperate rain forest... fog, over cast... I mean... idk think Portland... or England...

My approach on this grow was to see what the worst that could happen from that would be (fulling hypothesizing problems getting the soil dry) My veg space was prety open (my grow is in the garage... so it is always the lowest temp here, but it's the only place I have... I also wanted o see how bad that would be on the plants... temps prob never got past 70 and got to low 50s during that time. I wa also using FL (the "wost" possible light) but most cost effective for me, and also as part of the experiment (minimal input & not maximum, but pretty harsh stress).

Amazingly, there was not too many problems in veg. I'd say they were pretty stunted... it's not apples to apples but i've certainly seen other grows at the same time with plants 2 or three times the size. But they grew well, hearty, healthy, lush canopies. Which is when I irst found problems: My tops were pretty warm under the lights... but the canopy ad made a rain forest underneath. I got a bit of while mold creeping over the soil on a couple of plants, and even had a couple of shrooms pop up. From one day to the next. But I got rid of it just as fast... and it only happened again once.

I also pushed them... vegged six weeks from seed. I started flowering under those same conditions (everything looking well though... optimal for the conditions if that makes sense). I decided to make sure I was going to get good bud though, so I made a more legit box and got a few things, mainly, a fan and a heating cable for under floor heating.

Again, flowered well (for the conditions) and have been doing so since, though slow... or stuntedly, idk how to call it. I really need to find my camera and a memory card that works (I had photos of a lot of this, on the phone, but memory card crapped out and lost em).

Sorry for the ramble... but so, at week 3 of flower a couple were yellowing/dropping their bottom leaves... naturally... but I was an ass anyway and added a bit of nitro to my water. Well it was a bit too much as the next day a few showed burn on the sugar leaves and a couple of other spots... nothing major... but enough that I ran a little water through them... never advanced. The leaves stayed bleached (obviously) but no more showed signs of problem. Hasn't shown any other problems since EXCEPT... I went deep through the buds today looking for what I have been expecting all along: bud rot (haha who hopes for it right?) I found that even withe the minimal heat and fan... it was only a couple of spots most out of the way, mostly that were accidentally pushed against a wall of something... that I found a couple of small spots of it. Cut it out... spread the pants out and put them under a bigger oscillating fan with a small heather fan as well... gave them a good drying out/venting. Did keep them up a little longer (light stress ooh noooo ;-))... but we'll see how that goes.
 

420producer

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question ? way make it the worst possible grow condition indoor for them? imo i would try to make my indoor grow as optimal as i can . this is a mic of soil and soil less pots using that lucas formula 4 weeks veg and flip to 12/12. iill wait for the stretch and drop the lights back to 24 in above canopy .. and hope i get a pound ..
 

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Chunky Stool

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I should think so... like I said, my humidity is too high... i get condensation problems (on overlapping leaves)... very little/no transpiration so much... probably one more reason my plants are bit small(er than they should've been)

I knew what I was going to face: HIGH humidity... Coastal NorCal... fog pretty much every night... my outdoor plants (tomatoes mostly) look freshly watered every morning. LOW temps: during this grow, May through August now... we maybe saw one week in the 70's during the day... themps were low 60's (day) to low 50's (night)... I wanted to see what the plants would do in these bad situation with minimal aid... way better than expected for sure... quality is great but weight is pretty small (looking at this point anyway)... They're bushy and lush... except for minor nitro burn at the last water which I immediately correctted... burned a few sugar leaves but oh well.
I live in northwest WA and it gets downright chilly at night! It should be a good year for purple strains...
 

superbak3d

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I just swapped from plastic to fabric in my current grow (3 gallon plastic up to 5 gallon smart).

Growth has been impressive, especially when transplanting from 1 gallon smarts to 5 gallon smarts. I only need to water them currently once every 5 days.

The only downside I found with smarts is when watering them. It can be messy and wasteful if not done correctly.
 

thewanderingjack

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question ? way make it the worst possible grow condition indoor for them? imo i would try to make my indoor grow as optimal as i can . this is a mic of soil and soil less pots using that lucas formula 4 weeks veg and flip to 12/12. iill wait for the stretch and drop the lights back to 24 in above canopy .. and hope i get a pound ..
No I wasn't trying to make it the worst... I was trying to see what how badly MY natural conditions (Which happen to be some of the worst) would really affect the plants. Of course optimal is best... but to me that is also relative... optimally, I could do tons of stuff to optimize my grow... one example would be, going vertical for max space. But I don't want to deal with that many plants, and since this is just for my own head stash, I don' need to. To me it would be more work to set up and maintain. Yea it would be way more return for the work (proportional growth) but I'd rather spend the time, money and effort on something else since for me, less is still more than enough.

Part of the experiment was to figure out exactly how to best optimize... I mean I could just do generic things people suggest... but is that really what I need for my conditions? I mean... what I need to do to get the best conditions out of my environment is different than what someone in NV has to do... for example... I'm sue people would suggest a dehumidifier. Well, yeah that works, but it is worth the running costs and hassle (having to empty it out a lot) or the space it'll take up in my box? Maybe in winter when the issues I faced will get even worse... but I am honestly a bit surprised to see that just making sure they have a little more space and not touching anyhing (walls, each other) would have totally prevented the little bit of bud rot I found. At no added cost.

Even given my experiments bad conditions... the plants have done really well and in line to produce way more than my costs in herb, so it's a win in terms of value AND learning experience.Given my space conditions, I cannot aim for the biggest plants I could grow... they'd overgrow my space real quick and wind up rotting out anyway.. I need to balance plan size and bud production... this first run I went with bushy... next time I will let it stretch out a little more to allow more space inside the plant.
 

Budley Doright

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question ? way make it the worst possible grow condition indoor for them? imo i would try to make my indoor grow as optimal as i can . this is a mic of soil and soil less pots using that lucas formula 4 weeks veg and flip to 12/12. iill wait for the stretch and drop the lights back to 24 in above canopy .. and hope i get a pound ..
That's wet wieght right ;).
 

420producer

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Yup the eggs would help with the GPW thing. Might push you to the .25 gpm level ;). Seriously though it's a really nice setup :).
now if i can find a strain here in colorado... that dont have pm or thripes.. everyone of these clones i got had them. . . and this grow shop. did not have enough .coco but had this stuff called moonshine with coco in it but was full of other shit and as soon as i watered the pots.. all these lil bugs hatched .. i built a side room with 4 lights .but. gonna do sog only 1 strain and an coco / perlite. . NO MORE of the mixing strains and soil-less medium..i brought a bunch of sour d seeds hopefully by the time this is done . ill find a couple of good mothers. and get a decent perpetual going ...
 
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