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NLXSK1 said:
None of us have that answer therefore it should be between a woman and her doctor. Freedom gives you the right to be offended by what other people choose to do.
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"between a woman and her doctor? Whether or not to carry a fetus to term is the woman's right to choose. The doctor is there to give medical advice and perform the abortion if that's what the woman chooses to do.
 
Fogdog said:
"between a woman and her doctor? Whether or not to carry a fetus to term is the woman's right to choose. The doctor is there to give medical advice and perform the abortion if that's what the woman chooses to do.
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What if the doctor doesnt choose to.... Ooops... Gonna force it?

The doctor gets to decide whether to provide services, they cannot be demanded.

Hence why I say between a woman and her doctor.
 
Rob Roy said:
So you pay in advance for tickets to a dinner theater which includes a steak dinner. After the opening scene the cook quits, the actors walk off. Are you due any compensation or rebate ?
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Is one of the people in your scenario paying for group sex? Seems a strange analogy.
 
NLXSK1 said:
Is one of the people in your scenario paying for group sex? Seems a strange analogy.
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Not that I know of. The idea was that if an agreement is made and no party was under duress when the agreement was made, and one party breaches the agreement, they have a responsibility to compensate the aggrieved party.

My question which remains unanswered was if the mother made an agreement and she was allowed to break it, why should the father be held to any agreement he made if he decides to change the terms ?
 
Rob Roy said:
Not that I know of. The idea was that if an agreement is made and no party was under duress when the agreement was made, and one party breaches the agreement, they have a responsibility to compensate the aggrieved party.

My question which remains unanswered was if the mother made an agreement and she was allowed to break it, why should the father be held to any agreement he made if he decides to change the terms ?
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Your question predicates a society based upon contracts making things that were voluntary involuntary.

Why would any guy sign a contract for a kid he didnt want? Oh yeah, cause he wanted to get laid.... Life is messy, your society seems very unable to deal with it.
 
Rob Roy said:
Well thank you for any future consideration you might give it, Poopy Pants.

Hey wait a minute did you just spew a libelous allegation!!?? Oh dear.
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you are a racial segregationist who is way too interested in performing pedophilia.

that's called a fact, not libel.
 
Rob Roy said:
Not that I know of. The idea was that if an agreement is made and no party was under duress when the agreement was made, and one party breaches the agreement, they have a responsibility to compensate the aggrieved party.

My question which remains unanswered was if the mother made an agreement and she was allowed to break it, why should the father be held to any agreement he made if he decides to change the terms ?
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Seriously? How do you come up with these "scenarios"? Both parties except the risks and consequences involved when deciding to engage in sex. And men absolutely have a say...over their body. They can choose NOT to put their P in the V regardless of any superficial contract or promises that happen before intercourse. After the deed is done, the responsibility has and always will fall on the female. Until that changes, your points are moot.
This isn't about feminism or contracts. I know there are those here that arrogantly believe that society should bear the responsibility of their crotch fruit and that's fine...I guess. I will always support social programs because kids shouldnt suffer because they're born to brain dead parents who refuse to support them. Matter of fact...I'd like to here your thoughts on THAT contract.
 
Tangerine_ said:
Seriously? How do you come up with these "scenarios"? Both parties except the risks and consequences involved when deciding to engage in sex. And men absolutely have a say...over their body. They can choose NOT to put their P in the V regardless of any superficial contract or promises that happen before intercourse. After the deed is done, the responsibility has and always will fall on the female. Until that changes, your points are moot.
This isn't about feminism or contracts. I know there are those here that arrogantly believe that society should bear the responsibility of their crotch fruit and that's fine...I guess. I will always support social programs because kids shouldnt suffer because they're born to brain dead parents who refuse to support them. Matter of fact...I'd like to here your thoughts on THAT contract.
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Well let me see if I can unravel your diatribe.

I made no assertion that a father should not support his child. I would, because I feel a sense of duty, but that's just me. However if he decided he did not want the child born, does he have the same right to end the pregnancy as the mother ?

If he doesn't have the same right as the mother regarding the disposition of the unborn, what are his rights ? If the child isn't at least partly his when it is unborn, what is the basis for insisting he support it when it is born? Does the mother have more parental rights than a father?

Again, my questions are not to advance my point of view, they are inquiries into the consistency of arguments made by others.
 
Tangerine_ said:
Seriously? How do you come up with these "scenarios"? Both parties except the risks and consequences involved when deciding to engage in sex. And men absolutely have a say...over their body. They can choose NOT to put their P in the V regardless of any superficial contract or promises that happen before intercourse. After the deed is done, the responsibility has and always will fall on the female. Until that changes, your points are moot.
This isn't about feminism or contracts. I know there are those here that arrogantly believe that society should bear the responsibility of their crotch fruit and that's fine...I guess. I will always support social programs because kids shouldnt suffer because they're born to brain dead parents who refuse to support them. Matter of fact...I'd like to here your thoughts on THAT contract.
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There is no such thing as a "social contract". If there were it would be tangible or at least consistent and it isn't. You can't create charity thru force, that's theft. I think it's good you support helping others, I don't think it would be good for you to "help" somebody by first taking something from somebody else that isn't yours though. How's that ?

Also, extra points for use of "crotch fire" . Good job, very descriptive.
 
And I'll reiterate once more since its not sinking in. Until men bear the responsibility of carrying the child they have no say or "rights" regardless of "promises" or imaginary contracts. On the other side of the coin, once the child is born its not so much about the mothers rights as it is childs.

BTW, the irony of YOU making a statement about "unraveling comments" is quite humorous. So points for that. :clap:
 
NLXSK1 said:
What if the doctor doesnt choose to.... Ooops... Gonna force it?

The doctor gets to decide whether to provide services, they cannot be demanded.

Hence why I say between a woman and her doctor.
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"What if the doctor doesnt choose to"....she goes to another doctor, dumbshit.
 
Rob Roy said:
So you pay in advance for tickets to a dinner theater which includes a steak dinner. After the opening scene the cook quits, the actors walk off. Are you due any compensation or rebate ?
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Depends. Need more information.

Do the tickets say 'non-refundable'?

Why are you asking forum stooge?
 
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