50 Watts of LED?

Runagi

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yea i just checked out thunderchunkie's setup... i guess i was way off thinking that red/blue led setup wouldnt work!!! those plants are awesome, AND he produced flowers.

i guess if you're gonna go with an LED setup just make sure it's powerful enough... but it seems to work great if you know what you're doing
 

marchold

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The 50 Watt panel works but not as well as HPS or CFL. Where they are really great is where heat is a problem. Try mixing the CFL's and the panel. About 80w of CFL and 50w of LED should grow your 4 plants. But HPS is much better.
 

Swansen

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I just registered, and saw this thread, i know its older, but its ok. I've been messing around with LED for plant growth for awhile now, and really, you have two options. Do a combo grow of LEDs and CFLs, or go big time and get something like a Procyon, (which has been proven to grow just as well as an HID system using 1/3 the wattage) or make your own grow light. http://ledengin.com/ledengin_products.html they make a 5w emitter thats at 660nm, which is sweet. Anyways, a little more on topic, those 50 "china boxes" actually seem to work, over the junk 12w ones that used to be everywhere. However, people seem to have gotten the best results with a combo grow. I just wanted to throw that info out there, oh and the combo grows weren't scrog/sog ether.
 

Bruno420

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I am new to the grow scene but after much research I am looking at going for the LED setup with possible one CFL. SOme setups have 1 white LED in the mix with a wide angle to cover the plants. This is only doing like 4 plants so obviously if you have like 20 plants you will need more than 1 white LED. Also most setups say you need 6:1 Red/Blue for the lights.

Where I will be growing it will be already be incredible hot and the AC will be kicking so I do not want to add anymore heat as well as the electrical issue. The penalties are way to severe if busted.

LED are comparable cheaper and can get the job done. You will just have stretched out plants. Although I am sure you can correct this by lowering the lights to the plants. Correct me if I am wrong but the plants stretch because they want more light so just put them closer to limit the upward growth.

Please correct me if I am wrong I am still a total noobie!!!:dunce:
 

Swansen

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I am new to the grow scene but after much research I am looking at going for the LED setup with possible one CFL. SOme setups have 1 white LED in the mix with a wide angle to cover the plants. This is only doing like 4 plants so obviously if you have like 20 plants you will need more than 1 white LED. Also most setups say you need 6:1 Red/Blue for the lights.

Where I will be growing it will be already be incredible hot and the AC will be kicking so I do not want to add anymore heat as well as the electrical issue. The penalties are way to severe if busted.

LED are comparable cheaper and can get the job done. You will just have stretched out plants. Although I am sure you can correct this by lowering the lights to the plants. Correct me if I am wrong but the plants stretch because they want more light so just put them closer to limit the upward growth.

Please correct me if I am wrong I am still a total noobie!!!:dunce:
Yeah, that pretty much sums up the reason for stretching. In say a 4'x2' area, you would want 3 CFLs and then 3 or so supplementary LEDs, but it also depends on the wattage of the LEDs in use. A major concern is coverage here, i'm guessing this is going to be a closet grow?? If so, you want to have the light spread out accordingly. Anyways, white LEDs aren't what we know to be white light. They come in one of two variations. The first being a blue LED with a phosphorus coating that diffuses the blue light and tricks our eyes into seeing white light, basically. Thats why when looking at something under a white LED they always look a little funny, BUT, there is hope. http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/03/nanocrystal-coating-led-lightbulbs.php The other way of creating White light from an LED is the straight forward approach, just combine red/green/blue LEDs to make white light. SO, using a white LED defeats the purpose of using LEDs, you loose a lot of the efficiency your trying to gain. On light color and plant absorbency. There is a crap ton of debate out there, but generally a plant will adapt to whatever light wavelength its given, but obviously it will be more productive with specific colors. Its considered that blue light is used more during vegetative growth, and red is used during flowering. So, you really only need blue LEDs for the first stages of growth, but a plant will still use and absorb the blue light in flowering stages. LED wattage, really, people short out here, the bottom line is were trying to grow a plant, if there isn't enough energy available, then the plant isn't going to grow to its full potential. So, even though there are great 10w bulbs out there, they just aren't enough to grow plant, especially not one as large as what we are trying to grow. There is a formula for area and light.... but i can't remember it off the top of my head.... BUT, for 4 plants, in say a 4'x2' area, maybe even 5 and a little larger area you should be able to get away with 3 CFLs, i would give a wattage, but really you want 1,500 lumens per CFL or above... i guess maybe a little less would work though. As far as LEDs, measurement in Lumens, or Candelas or whatever isn't really appropriate, because they are all a measurement of how bright they appear to us, NOT plants, and red/blue light doesn't show up that well to us. I'm still experimenting with smaller LEDs and searching for information, people have gotten away with 3-4 15w LED bulbs.... but i'm not sure how i fell about that. There was a HUGE plague of the 12w "china boxes" on ebay a little while ago, well i guess some one finally figured out they were worthless and they were replaced by 50w boxes, which actually work, and i'd say 2 of those would work. ooo, just found a combo grow http://hydrobuds.net/LEDCFLVEG.html... isn't the one i wanted, there is grow out there, i want to say he had 4 24w??CFLs and 3or 4 reds from http://www.ledgrowlights.com/products.htm ??? pretty sure. OH YEAH, final thing, light intensity, it doesn't have so much to do with absorbency as some have stated "its only absorbing 1w of light from 50 places vs 100w from a single" ??? that doesn't even make sense. Anyways, what it does have a lot to do with is light penetration and for how far it will keeps in energy. obviously a HID light will grow a taller plant, via light being able to penetrate the canopy of the MJ plants, in time this well be overcome by higher power LEDs (already 5w and 10w emitters would do the trick.. heck, 1wers already do) Anyways, with lower power LEDs and CFLs you shouldn't expect to grow a plant any higher than 3ft, and your still going to be doing some kind of half way SOG deal, ie, flowering your plants earlier than normal.
 

Bruno420

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I am still checking out your links you posted but you threw out there some great info.

Yes I will be doing a Rubbermaid grow so if that means I can keep the plants short with LEDs that is even more of a reason to throw them in.

Yes I have been looking at the 5w as well as the 10w lights. Not sure if I want to make my own board or just get the flood lights. I have seen someone on here using the LED flood light and he had good raves about it so far but I didn't get to finish the journal:( I will keep a look out.

From what I understand is the LEDs have to be 1w per bulb otherwise it will take 9months!!!

Thanks for the info!!!:bigjoint:
 

Swansen

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OOOOO, found that combo grow that i was thinking about, and turns out its here on rollitup. https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/51224-first-led-then-cfl-led.html I was off on a few details, but i pretty much had it. Anyways, i didn't remember it doing so well, i'm actually really impressed with the results. A little higher wattage in all areas would see even greater results. I wanted to post the forums from cannabis.com for the procyon grow.... but there website seems to still be having problems.
 

Detchord

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Fuck cfl and HID!!! LED's are the only way! Check out my posts on the led lighting thread, i have pix of my operation there. I highly recommend going to growwithleds.com and buying your lights there. They are the brightest, and best bang for your buck. they come with a 2 year waranty, and customer service is great!... Tell em Detchord sent ya!
 

Detchord

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The general rule is 40-50 watts of HID per square foot. With LED's you need 25% of that, so 10-15 w/sq.ft.
 

Detchord

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the best led's are still 5mm super bright. any of the newer 1w and bigger chips get too hot, overheat, and shorten the life of the chip. remember we are talking about computer parts here people. the cooler they run, the longer they last. And by cool I mean under 100 deg f. not 500 deg f. that a HID runs at.
 

Swansen

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the best led's are still 5mm super bright. any of the newer 1w and bigger chips get too hot, overheat, and shorten the life of the chip. remember we are talking about computer parts here people. the cooler they run, the longer they last. And by cool I mean under 100 deg f. not 500 deg f. that a HID runs at.
um... no. Class 1 emitters in general are about useless, to be honest. I have mixed feelings about the 10mm LEDs even, but hey, they are getting there. I REALLY wish i could post the link to the thread, its called the perfect LED grow light, the first 30 pages are all real good conversation and information, awesome material to mull over if your into the LED growing scene. Then the OP and "founders" left, and it became chaos and useless information. Anyways, NO, class 2 LEDs are the only way to go, remember, we are growing plants here, that is our goal. Yes, LEDs consume relatively small amounts of power, but if its to small for a plant to use, then its not going to grow. If your going to buy commercially built units then i suggest going with www.homegrownlights.com they have kits you can put together, or go with the 50w boxes, they seems to work well. As far as percentage of light needed for growth with an LED, its VERY difficult to say. It all depends on the source, comparing HID to LEDs is like comparing apples to oranges, they are different. Really, LEDs have just emerged as a viable medium for growing plants, there isn't really a definite percentage of LEDs per plant, it REALLY depends on the source being used. They are not computers, they don't crunch numbers, they are solid state electronics, and are more akin to capacitors, or resistors. Anyways, NO again, you could have a bagillion watt LED if you wanted and it would still last 10 years as long as you could figure out how to cool it, a properly cooled Class 2 emitter is the way to go, and i wouldn't really even bother with 5mm emitters, they just aren't strong enough, ether a SMT or 10mm is better. HOWEVER, more important than that is light range, 660nm wavelength is best, but since LEDengin is about the only LED manufacturer that makes an emitter in that range, 630 is about the best we can do, unless you make your own unit.

I'm sorry if i seemed rude, but i'm so tired of all the false information that runs around about LEDs, its just ridiculous.
 

Detchord

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I am totally happy with my results under LEDs. I am not quoting anyone, i have pics. I have used the 5mm leds mostly but have 3watt smt leds as well. and smt strips over my aerocloner. I get roots in 7 days. I veg to 12" in 2 weeks. and I get flowers poppin 2 weeks after that. Im sorry to say, from personal experience growing this exact same strain of Super Bubba Kush(I thought it was OG at first) under a 1000w hps and my plants grow and yeild almost the same. Dosent really matter what type of diode you use, they all emit light. you just need 12-15 watts per sq. ft. I recommend the R+B mix with heavy blue during veg to get short bushy plants, and heavy red added during flower for big buds.
 

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Mr.Niceguy03

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If ur going to use 50watt panel get two. Those panels LEDs are .5 watts. U need at least 1 watt per LED. U need high power LEDs . But they should work great for a couple plants.
 
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