I really appreciate all of the advice, it's definitely gonna make a difference, and yeah you've just gotta find what works for you and go with it, I've just gotta find out what that is for me lol
600 watt, Growbrite OG hood, Chocolote Mint OG clone, 60 day Lemon grow.
Ernest Benoit
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So far I've tested twigs in rockwhool, peat pucks and 3" tall with trimmed leaves. This month it's testing dirrectly in soil with a dome. Next, maybe I'll do full leaves and trim. So many experiments and peace...So little time. Haha
Ernest Benoit
Member
Bang on! The basic principles won't change. (Seal the wound and keep moist. The rest may be adjusted).
nfhiggs
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Left to right:
1. I'd probably leave as is.
2. Can't see that one well, but maybe take the biggest leaf
3. That one seems to have pretty close nodes, and a short tip, I'd leave the nodes and take half the big leaves (I know right?) just to reduce leaf area
4. Looks like a good length of growth tip, I'd take the big leaves of I think.
5. This one looks like its got a good pair of smaller leaves, I'd take the big ones off.
Ernest Benoit
Member
When I have an issue with a twig not rooting. If the end shrunk to nothing something stopped or slowed the stem's intake of water or oxygen. Otherwise...Where the stem meets to soil should actually get thicker. After one week with no issues It's the first indication that it is turning into a proper clone with rootage.
Lol thank you, and the thread can be wherever "the law" (moderators) deem it acceptable to beI changed title for you
You still want thread in newbie section?
and thank you all for the advice and support I really appreciate it, I trimmed all of the big leaves in half (before I got any responses) and they're under the dome now, will take a picture of them tomorrow morning after they've spent a good amount of time in their new environment and hopefully they've got a little bit more of a stable look to them than the last batch did 24 hours later. I haven't really done anything different other than cutting the 45° angle directly over a node and coating it in gel and sticking it in the rockwool, I've seen that that gives better/faster results than just cutting stem and sticking a stem in the medium. Other than that I've thrown a small amount of standing water below the tray (not touching the rockwool) to boost humidity, I'm not sure what else to try after this. Poor mother plant just wants the whole cloning thing to be done and over with lol *edit* not that I'm expecting anyone to know, but on the off chance, could it maybe be that the strain just doesn't wanna do it for me? The main one I've cut 10+ cuttings from and really want to keep in circulation is Critical Cheese by Dinafem
tharoomman
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Thats a sexy thread name you got.
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Okay guys, something is seriously wrong here and I'm not happy about it. Again, literally NOTHING is taking off. I don't want tips, I don't want people telling me to buy aerocloners, I just want one answer to this question. What happened? Last n
ight when going to mist them I noticed this stem already starting to die off (first pic) so I just recut it (without gel) and expect it to die. Threw a LOT OF standing water at the bottom of the tray to boost humidity (not touching the rockwool) and waking up this morning, none of them are doing anything. I opened every single rockwool plug, nothing changed. Most stems are on their way to looking like the stem in the first picture, so seriously, what the fuck is happening? This is 3 rounds of clones I've cut off of a single plant, I REALLY don't wanna cut more and literally strip the mother plant, what am I doing wrong? Is it too much moisture or too little? The plugs are literally moist enough to be back at the stage where I could fling water out of them with my hand, and I'm annoyed that here I am almost an entire week past the first time I cut clones, and 3 batches later it looks no better, I'm seriously about to trash this couple hundred bucks worth of cloning shit I'm so upset about this
ight when going to mist them I noticed this stem already starting to die off (first pic) so I just recut it (without gel) and expect it to die. Threw a LOT OF standing water at the bottom of the tray to boost humidity (not touching the rockwool) and waking up this morning, none of them are doing anything. I opened every single rockwool plug, nothing changed. Most stems are on their way to looking like the stem in the first picture, so seriously, what the fuck is happening? This is 3 rounds of clones I've cut off of a single plant, I REALLY don't wanna cut more and literally strip the mother plant, what am I doing wrong? Is it too much moisture or too little? The plugs are literally moist enough to be back at the stage where I could fling water out of them with my hand, and I'm annoyed that here I am almost an entire week past the first time I cut clones, and 3 batches later it looks no better, I'm seriously about to trash this couple hundred bucks worth of cloning shit I'm so upset about this Attachments
That's the wishbone one that aswell, is going down the path that everything single other one is going down. The red circled ones are the 48 hour old ones and the blues are the 24 hours, all no progress, most recut (unscraped) at a 45° angle and that's it. All I need to know is what is causing that, that's it.
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nfhiggs
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If the leaves are not going limp, don't even mess with it. Personally, I'd say forget the rockwool and use the jiffy cubes, They are certainly working for me.
You may indeed have a hard to clone pheno.. You might look into the air layering technique.
Well I'm expecting them all to die now, since I've pulled them out and recut most of them. I'm seriously not impressed with this shit, at how "easy" cloning is supposed to be, how "easy" rockwool cloning is supposed to be, the wildly different accounts on how moist the medium should be etc etc etc, there's so many touchy variables that I can't find any concrete answers on. One cut in particular, I had propped up with a twist tie at first, gradually as the day went on (yesterday) it brought itself off of the twist tie it was sitting on and is now freely standing, but was also one that was looking like its stem was gonna come off. Now looking through other threads, some people are saying fuck having a humidity dome in the first place, some people have had 0% success with a dome but 100% without it, after all its the roots you need to warm rather than the leaves (quoting a poster), but I'm literally out of ideas. I'm gonna have to let this batch run out and die off before I consider taking a fuckin 4th round of cuts off the mother, which I just cut off like 4 or 5 main shoots of her, she's gonna be down to nothing if I go for another round. But if I do, I'm gonna wait until someone's able to walk me through the cut/plant of it step by step, if I go 4 solid rounds with no success, I'm either retarded or the definition of insane
I've never heard of the "air layering technique", though I do know a guy who clones using peat plugs and he's the most basic grower out there (straight tap water to feed and vinegar to bring his pH down) and he doesn't seem to be doing too bad with those, however I couldn't get a bunch of peat plugs out here fast enough for me to start fooling around with them, I wanted to flip the mothers by tomorrow or at the very most, 1 more week from now, and that's not enough time to get the peat plugs out here and start fucking with them. Worst case scenario, I'll have to cut a 4th round of clones under someones watchful eye (on here), make a 4th attempt with rockwool, and if that doesn't work... just order some peat plugs and flip the crop. Worse comes to worse I lose the critical cheese and will have to buy more seeds, but I've got like 18 regular blue dreams and a few pamplemousse, a few feminized cotton candy canes that were from my last crop that threw out nanners on me and seeds came through in the end, idk.. I was stoked to try and keep the critical in circulation but shit does indeed happen.
nfhiggs
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Well, I dunno man... I know my brother said he never had any luck cloning and he gave up after a while, but I don't know exactly what method he was using.
I don't worry about what the stems look like at all. If they are standing up and the leaves aren't drooping I figure they are fine.
The air laying thing is kinda cool - you actually root them while the branch is still intact on the mother plant. You basically just wrap a branch with a "bandage" of sorts, with wet grow media inside it, tape it up good so its sealed, and then wait. after 5 -10 days you should have roots formed and you just cut the branch off the mother, remove the tape and plant it.
tharoomman
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I know you said you don't want to be told to get a cloner...I'm sure people have already suggested it...but I think it will be good to minimize any potential problems. Having a "EZ" cloner will remove certain potential problems.
My first time ever cloning, I monstercropped and had a success rate of 6/7 within 14 days.
*I used a HTG 'el cheapo' bucket cloner.
*only plain water
* not a lot of attention to details that many suggest when it comes to cloning.
I'm sure that I got lucky and have a strain that takes to cloning well, but still, I did with minimum effort.
Consider getting a cloner.
Lol wow, really? That sounds crazy and a little risky, you probably have to know exactly what you're doing to do that. Well, anyway, after the great DDOS attack of 2017, I've got an update to the clones. They're now 4 and 5 days old (the two different batches) with absolutely NO wilting or drooping, but no progress on roots. They look fantastic except for when I open the plugs and see a browned withered tip and a few inches above that is a very pale almost white green stem. It's pretty universal to all of the cuts that I took. (A vast majority of the cuts I took were from the critical cheese, I took 2 from a cotton candy cane plant (during the first round of cuts made) and all the others were from the critical cheese, so, upon seeing how well they're doing above ground and how well they're not doing below ground, it's making me think it *may* just be the strain? I took 2 cuts off of my Kings Kush plant this morning, wishboned them and threw them under the dome, so if I can't get roots from these 3 strains then I honestly have no idea. I'm thinking the cotton candy didn't take just because it was during the first round of cuts I made (and before I bumped the humidity up with the standing water) so I'm really out of ideas after this, but if there's anyone who knows just what's going on, any input would be greatly appreciated. *tried sending pics of the clones and the insides of the plugs, but a "server error" won't let me post pics at the moment
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I like the idea of a cloner and I'd probably look at one down the line, the one you have looks pretty easy-to-use and maintain, however right now I've got 100 rockwool plugs and a $6,500 shopping list of 2 new grow lights and a tent so I'm kinda drowning in overhead as is lol, but when I've got my shit together I'll probably atleast give those a serious consideration
nfhiggs
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As long as they are not wilted, you should be good - its just a waiting game now. I think my longest one took nearly three weeks to show roots. Don't open them up, just look every day to see if roots are coming out of the plug. And keep water in there.