600w 24/hr veg Help!!!!

waterdawg

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We'll I start with the pot Iam finish with at least 10 litres 3 galleon
And I don't transplant I put germ end seed in a jiffy then into my pot
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There 3 days old from germed seed
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2 weeks old
Three days from the time you put them in soil? Thats pretty good! I do use paper towel method and have better luck than soil for some reason, i also plant directly into the hydroton as well. I do understand the dislike of using PT though as it takes an extra delicate step.
 

weedenhanced

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Three days from the time you put them in soil? Thats pretty good! I do use paper towel method and have better luck than soil for some reason, i also plant directly into the hydroton as well. I do understand the dislike of using PT though as it takes an extra delicate step.
I let them crack and only allow the root to just poke out anymore and they get all fcked up then that just cracked open seed goes in a jiffy pellet
 

Squidbilly

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I have the best success with root riots in a heated propagator. I got sick of always buying those root riot plugs so I just started using pro-mix HP for seeds and clones, and I think it's even better(and cheaper). Regardless of what method/medium you use, HEATMATS are amazing. I think heat mats are one of the most valuable tools for a growers who sprouts seeds or roots clones. My success rate for both went from 50-80% to almost 100% every time when I started using a heat mat. With good seeds I see a long tap root emerging from the bottome of the cube or other medium within 3 days. I usually have a healthy sprout within 5 days, and I'm ready to transplant a healthy little plant into a party cup within a week of planting the seed.

I don't soak or use paper towel method- just wasted steps and time, IMO. It also adds a great probability for human error- like damaging a delicate tap root. I don't think disturbing a plant in it's most fragile state is a good idea...but hey, if it works for your, don't fix what isn't broken.
 

Squidbilly

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i would go 18/6 just a wast of power after that and yes they will chase the bulb on a 24 hour period
The only thing about dark periods during veg is stretch! 18/6 will produce much stretchier plants than 24/0-plants grow like crazy during the dark period. I wouldn't recommending anything under 20/4 if vertical height is an issue...

A MH will produce much faster growth rates than any fluro, as they penetrate much deeper. You will get thicker stems and more lateral branching, that being said...

You can get much tighter nodes and shorter plants vegging for 24/0 under fluros. The advantage of the fluros is that you can put them so close they are almost touching the tops of your plants, and this coupled with 24/0 produces short plants with super tight nodes. I can grow a 8" plant with 10-12 side branches using fluros on a 24/0 light cycle. I have trouble getting more than 8 branches on the same size plant using HID bulbs with a dark period. Also, for me, the longer veg time is beneficial as I can take cuts right before I go into flower and veg my plants for two months, instead of keeping mothers. If I vegged for two months under HID with any sort of dark period I would have much bigger plants with much longer distances between nodes. Since my HID bulbs only penetrate about 18" through the canopy, growing them that big is waste of space.

Just some food for thought
 

weedenhanced

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I have the best success with root riots in a heated propagator. I got sick of always buying those root riot plugs so I just started using pro-mix HP for seeds and clones, and I think it's even better(and cheaper). Regardless of what method/medium you use, HEATMATS are amazing. I think heat mats are one of the most valuable tools for a growers who sprouts seeds or roots clones. My success rate for both went from 50-80% to almost 100% every time when I started using a heat mat. With good seeds I see a long tap root emerging from the bottome of the cube or other medium within 3 days. I usually have a healthy sprout within 5 days, and I'm ready to transplant a healthy little plant into a party cup within a week of planting the seed.

I don't soak or use paper towel method- just wasted steps and time, IMO. It also adds a great probability for human error- like damaging a delicate tap root. I don't think disturbing a plant in it's most fragile state is a good idea...but hey, if it works for your, don't fix what isn't broken.
I get 100% for the paper towl method
 

weedenhanced

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The only thing about dark periods during veg is stretch! 18/6 will produce much stretchier plants than 24/0-plants grow like crazy during the dark period. I wouldn't recommending anything under 20/4 if vertical height is an issue...

A MH will produce much faster growth rates than any fluro, as they penetrate much deeper. You will get thicker stems and more lateral branching, that being said...

You can get much tighter nodes and shorter plants vegging for 24/0 under fluros. The advantage of the fluros is that you can put them so close they are almost touching the tops of your plants, and this coupled with 24/0 produces short plants with super tight nodes. I can grow a 8" plant with 10-12 side branches using fluros on a 24/0 light cycle. I have trouble getting more than 8 branches on the same size plant using HID bulbs with a dark period. Also, for me, the longer veg time is beneficial as I can take cuts right before I go into flower and veg my plants for two months, instead of keeping mothers. If I vegged for two months under HID with any sort of dark period I would have much bigger plants with much longer distances between nodes. Since my HID bulbs only penetrate about 18" through the canopy, growing them that big is waste of space.

Just some food for thought
These r gown on 18/6 mh how much tighter u want the nodes and also during dark keep the temp up and u will have fck all stretch
 

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Squidbilly

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si your saying i shouldnt transplant at all? What size do i start with?
Transplanting is your friend, ESPECIALLY if your growing is soil and plan on using anything bigger than 2gallon pots to finish in. You shouldn't have to go more than 3 days inbetween waterings, as more water = more oxygen = more growth. If you start in pots that are too big they amount of times you water during it's life is greatly reduced, they more you water, the more they grow. If you sticking to anyting under 2 gallon, you could leave it in there it's entire life, but if you plan on going bigger, tansplanting is the way to go. It also prevents the medium from staying wet too long and attraching pests like gnats. You can get away with never transplanting, but growth will be slow at the beggining as you wait for your medium to dry each time. I recommend at least going from a party to your final container.

I've also NEVER experienced any type of tansplant shock- if you don't transplant too soon you should experience the complete opposite effect- an explosion of growth almost immediately, if not even noticable within 24hrs. Just my two cents
 

Squidbilly

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These r gown on 18/6 mh how much tighter u want the nodes and also during dark keep the temp up and u will have fck all stretch
Your plants look great, and I was 18/6 guy my entire life until I saw the benefits of fluros and 24/0. Everyone's set-up is different, but I've managed to increase yeild with smaller plants vegging under fluros. More side branches and smaller plants - for my style of growing it works WAY better, and costs way less in electricity. If I was still growing bigger plants than I would say HID all the way for overall growth, but if you want short compact plants with the tightest nodes, 24/0 or 20/4 is definitely the way to go regardless of HID or fluro. They both have their pro's and cons, but I would argue that 24/0 fluros is far superior to 18/6 HID IF your style is smaller plants. If your using 600w or less HID, anything under 18" of the canopy is all wasted growth, as light can only penetrate so far. I got sick of growing 3' plants with only the top 1/2 producing what I would call quality bud and not larf.

Plants that have a dark period will grow bigger than plants under 24/0, but they will be stretchier in the long run.
 

Squidbilly

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This is coming from a guy who defended his18/6 'much better growth rate using HID in veg' opinion for quite some time before I realized the importance of node spacing. I was going into flower with much smaller plants, but they had more side branches. Even though my plants have gotten shorter, my yields have increased. Since I don't like to run an HID for 24/7 for safety reasons, and since 20 hours is still a long time to run a HID bulb, I made the switch to fluros and I won't look back.

I wasn't saying one is better than the other, just that they each have their pros and cons. In smaller tent/closet grows I just don't see the need to run a HID bulb for 18+ hours, espeically if your flowering with anything less than a 1000w bulb that can penetrate the canopy a little deeper. Same thing with reducing light to less than 20hours a day- it's just going to create more space between your nodes, which means less branches and budsites in a comparably sized plant. It all depends on what your trying to do. I like to maximize my yield in the smallest space possible, and 24/0 and fluros have delivered big time for me.
 

weedenhanced

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Transplanting is your friend, ESPECIALLY if your growing is soil and plan on using anything bigger than 2gallon pots to finish in. You shouldn't have to go more than 3 days inbetween waterings, as more water = more oxygen = more growth. If you start in pots that are too big they amount of times you water during it's life is greatly reduced, they more you water, the more they grow. If you sticking to anyting under 2 gallon, you could leave it in there it's entire life, but if you plan on going bigger, tansplanting is the way to go. It also prevents the medium from staying wet too long and attraching pests like gnats. You can get away with never transplanting, but growth will be slow at the beggining as you wait for your medium to dry each time. I recommend at least going from a party to your final container.

I've also NEVER experienced any type of tansplant shock- if you don't transplant too soon you should experience the complete opposite effect- an explosion of growth almost immediately, if not even noticable within 24hrs. Just my two cents
Um slower growth with no transplant u r extremely wrong sorry but ur wrong grow a auto man and transplant it lol u will decrease yield I used to transplant after a transplant u get 3 or 4 days no growth while roots settle as for more water more oxygen I also disagree water to the plants needs no more when in soil have good medium lotsa perlite ... The explosion is ur plant having room to grow if u went straight into the big pot from word the start u will have that explosion the entire grow
And it's easy when ur plant little feed it only a little water it will dry just as fast as in a small pot as in a big pot u don't need the water to hit the bottom
Autos have proven that transplant slows growth
 

Squidbilly

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Um slower growth with no transplant u r extremely wrong sorry but ur wrong grow a auto man and transplant it lol u will decrease yield I used to transplant after a transplant u get 3 or 4 days no growth while roots settle as for more water more oxygen I also disagree water to the plants needs no more when in soil have good medium lotsa perlite ... The explosion is ur plant having room to grow if u went straight into the big pot from word the start u will have that explosion the entire grow
And it's easy when ur plant little feed it only a little water it will dry just as fast as in a small pot as in a big pot u don't need the water to hit the bottom
Autos have proven that transplant slows growth
I missed the auto part, my bad. Photos benefit from transplants- the faster your medium dries out, the more frequent you can water. The more frequent you can water, the faster the growth.

Autos are in a league of their own.
 

Squidbilly

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So I assumed we were talking about photos since this wasn't in the autoflower section. Scratch all my advice which was for photos, DUH! I totally missed we were talking about autos :)
 

weedenhanced

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So I assumed we were talking about photos since this wasn't in the autoflower section. Scratch all my advice which was for photos, DUH! I totally missed we were talking about autos :)
Photos and auto r the same during veg and I've also grow photos in this way there is very little difference in auto and photos man except auto will bud when old enough
 

weedenhanced

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I missed the auto part, my bad. Photos benefit from transplants- the faster your medium dries out, the more frequent you can water. The more frequent you can water, the faster the growth.

Autos are in a league of their own.
Faster the medium drys out u water tiny amounts in large pots and if u have skill and can manage this u will have 0 problems ..
the only time u should transplant is if the plant becomes root bound and root bound plants slow growth so by the time your rdy to transplant u have all rdy slowed growth the the stress of replanting also slows growth .
lets think of a outdoor plant planted straight into soil it will have no issue with the roots becoming bound and is a larger plant for this just as if u plant straight into the larger pot there will be no need for transplant .
it benefits ur plants not to transplant ur theorie is not sound my friend ppl start in small pot because they lack the technic not to over water.
it's easy to water a plant in a large pot for a 3 to 4 day seedling u water about half a cup every 2 days for a 1 week old plant u water about a litre every few days as long as u don't have rot from overwatering u will be fine .
u can also accelerate root formation in a larger pot by watering the edges this makes the plant dig faster and deeper for water Iam sorry but a good soil mix should be airated anyway with holes and a good mix of soil to perlite
Explain how a plant benifets from transplant what exactly does it do and why do u do it.
 

IGROWINTORONTO

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Transplanting is your friend, ESPECIALLY if your growing is soil and plan on using anything bigger than 2gallon pots to finish in. You shouldn't have to go more than 3 days inbetween waterings, as more water = more oxygen = more growth. If you start in pots that are too big they amount of times you water during it's life is greatly reduced, they more you water, the more they grow. If you sticking to anyting under 2 gallon, you could leave it in there it's entire life, but if you plan on going bigger, tansplanting is the way to go. It also prevents the medium from staying wet too long and attraching pests like gnats. You can get away with never transplanting, but growth will be slow at the beggining as you wait for your medium to dry each time. I recommend at least going from a party to your final container.

I've also NEVER experienced any type of tansplant shock- if you don't transplant too soon you should experience the complete opposite effect- an explosion of growth almost immediately, if not even noticable within 24hrs. Just my two cents
I went from foam cups to 5 gallon pots, which they will be in untill cut. How long should my root be before I transplant?
 

IGROWINTORONTO

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No a mh dimmed to 200w for first 2 weeks.. this is them 3 weeksView attachment 3282251
This photo from 5 mins ago taken 3 or 4 days after the 3 week photo that's the first day of training this them nowView attachment 3282252
Wow thats reaply explosive growth, what nutes are you using? Also I'm following the less is more saying with the nutes. I have big bloom, bone meal, bat guano, and tiger bloom. I was thinking about picking up cal-mag as I think I'll run into one of those deficiencies.
 

IGROWINTORONTO

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IMAG0733.jpg finally the roots have taken and the stems are getting thick!!IMAG0730.jpg I wish I could see more explosive growth!

Temps are 25 durring the day and 23 at night as I run a heater, will be buying a humidifier asap as I want it around 70%
 
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