$7000 Plasma/LED Grow Light SOLAR GENESIS VI

Remember folks you can buy these lights WAY cheaper than 7000 i posted links for 1200 you can have 2 of these bad boys! and lifespan is estimated @ 30k hours... you must also remember that over time HPS MH and T5 loose effectiveness and luminosity over time... these bulbs only loose 2% over its entire life.. Factor cooling cost travel shipping bulb changes, ventilation etc... not that bad a deal... also you need 2 HPS/MH to grow... and only one of these! so lets say on average "Dual Spectrum hortilux bulb is 200$ even on EBAY. 200*6 years is 1200 still not a bad deal.
1200$ isnt a bad deal.... $600 per lamp and even if we added a 600W LED fixture @ 800$ were still @ $2k for a light that will produce for over 7 years... non stop. The PAR curve on this light hands down is the best in the world. more PAR = More growth! faster recovery and more resin production...

pr0fesseur said:

Remember folks you can buy these lights WAY cheaper than 7000 i posted links for 1200 you can have 2 of these bad boys! and lifespan is estimated @ 30k hours... you must also remember that over time HPS MH and T5 loose effectiveness and luminosity over time... these bulbs only loose 2% over its entire life.. Factor cooling cost travel shipping bulb changes, ventilation etc... not that bad a deal... also you need 2 HPS/MH to grow... and only one of these! so lets say on average "Dual Spectrum hortilux bulb is 200$ even on EBAY. 200*6 years is 1200 still not a bad deal.
1200$ isnt a bad deal.... $600 per lamp and even if we added a 600W LED fixture @ 800$ were still @ $2k for a light that will produce for over 7 years... non stop. The PAR curve on this light hands down is the best in the world. more PAR = More growth! faster recovery and more resin production...

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Says the guy with a bunch of LED grows instead....... (??) Nobody puts their money where their mouth is on this one "Buy me buy me" but nobody does. Hmm

researchkitty said:

Says the guy with a bunch of LED grows instead....... (??) Nobody puts their money where their mouth is on this one "Buy me buy me" but nobody does. Hmm

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Who has LED grows? besides all i was saying is its not that far off from what led's cost today anyways. im not saying buy it... never did.. just breaking down the light and its components and offering alternatives... I agree that $7k is steep ergo why i never endorsed the product but offered those who were thinking of being early adopters (and there are always some of those) alternative sources for the SAME tech Cheaper... these bulbs have already been bough and reviewed on youtube, which im sure you know how to use!

No way in hell I would drop $7000 on a single light. Not even if it blew me and waxed my car every time afterwards...

pr0fesseur said:

Who has LED grows? besides all i was saying is its not that far off from what led's cost today anyways. im not saying buy it... never did.. just breaking down the light and its components and offering alternatives... I agree that $7k is steep ergo why i never endorsed the product but offered those who were thinking of being early adopters (and there are always some of those) alternative sources for the SAME tech Cheaper... these bulbs have already been bough and reviewed on youtube, which im sure you know how to use!

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Wow On YOUTUBE? No way??? WOW I had no idea that people could put fake ads of their own products on youtube. Thats what those videos are from, the guys selling them. Lets see some with weed under them on a weekly basis THEN thats a review

Why the flaming? all i have done is provide unbiased information... all youve added is??? conjecture.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewAYqO2hHJs non product placement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZggWKF284w&feature=related more non biased information
http://youtu.be/DE6yLuI1NPM more plasma grow
https://www.opengrow.com/index.php?showtopic=40312 more growing with plasma lights.
Why is it hard to believe that a new technology is good? People mocked LED now with the luxeon and cree LED products we are seeing Amazing yeilds. Plasma IS the next generation of lighting like it or not .. as time goes by you will see a 300W for less than 300$ as it stands 600 for 300 w is the cost of led.... and there are MANY people growing LED.

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.... and there are MANY people growing LED.

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Dont get me wrong, LED's are great for kids in apartments.

researchkitty said:

Dont get me wrong, LED's are great for kids in apartments.

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so this guys is a KID in his apartment? a commercial grower?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD-Vq7pG1Fw
http://youtu.be/xm8vgHznTkg

Thx for posting this lamp. I think it's fucking awesomeeee but, I suppose the technology's newness is the reason for the terrible, terrible prices that put it out of the reach of the average marijuana grower. I mean, only 1 percent of the marijuana population would consider buying this Tech, and IMO I am satisfied with what the new gen of LEDS is offering up, they are full spectrum as well. Hmmm, I suppose If I was growing marijuana on the internation space station, this would be the rig to grow with . PEACE

alexonfire said:

Im just spreading information.
These are way of my budget.

Any comments or other thoughts on this light?

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hey...It is just a stupid light... come on, relax and toke a bowl

researchkitty said:

Wow On YOUTUBE? No way??? WOW I had no idea that people could put fake ads of their own products on youtube. Thats what those videos are from, the guys selling them. Lets see some with weed under them on a weekly basis THEN thats a review

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researchkitty said:

That's a cute argument if you keep a light for 11 years. You fail to figure that when this technology is properly made and marketed that in 2 years we will be buying it for HPS prices and you'll have paid 10x the price for something instead.

It may be better technology, your just paying the early adopter fees similar to something like an iPad. Oh no, I have to replace a $30 bulb every year right now, waaaaah. $30 x 11 = $300 which is STILL a lell of a lot cheaper than $1200.

Show me where the math makes me spend 20x the money. We shall then laugh at your math since it isnt possible.

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Name SKU Price Quantity / Update Subtotal Lumatek 400 watt Dual Voltage HPS/MH E-Ballast
gl_db_004 $154.95 $619.80
Hortilux Blue (Daylight) Super Metal Halide Bulb, 400 watt
Individual or Case: individual gl_b_003 $98.95 $395.80
Cool Tube 6" and 8" (Diameter) 29" Long
Choose Size: 6 inch gl_rh_011 $69.99 $279.96
Subtotal: $1 295.56
Total: $1 295.56

4 x 400w = $1300
Add up your fucking power bill per year.
Add up your cost of upkeep with these bulbs.

Now 1x 300watt G2 Plasma ( true draw 288watts )

$1250

No upkeep Long bulb life even longer internal life....

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Name SKU Price Quantity / Update Subtotal Lumatek 1000watt HPS/MH Dimmable E-Ballast, 120/240v
gl_db_006 $315.95 $1 263.80
Hortilux Super HPS Bulb, 1000 watt
Individual or Case: individual gl_b_001 $98.95 $395.80
Adjust-A-Wing Large Reflector w/Cord
gl_rh_014 $179.50 $718.00
Subtotal: $2 377.60 Total: $2 377.60

$2,377.60

Decent bulbs Cheap reflector Lumatek ballasts

now for 4 x 1000 watt bulbs have fun paying your bill let alone replacing $400 dollars worth of BULBS....


now for $2400 dollars ill buy two G2 lights spend a extra 160 bucks a pop on light movers... now a 10x10 area is run by two lights vs four lights with no UPKEEP, almost instant power up. And a Constant Spectrum....

dude if you cant see past that you need to get your brain checked.....

Maybe 20x is a a bit exaggerated, i did not know you were a challenged person... sorry its x 5.25394849583939203840303 better.... you fucking tard.....

laugh away while i blaze away and laugh at you!

Fuck ebay, i will use a selection of online stores and hometown hydro... Discrete shipping, and a full warranty any problems i take it back :O
Think about quality not quantity.... i bet you use cheap ass nutrients as well.......

this shit has already come down, think about how much money it takes to make these lights work.... of course your paying more for something new that's better and more efficient....

Jesus man,chill out,it's only a light,don't take it so personally.

researchkitty said:

Dont get me wrong, LED's are great for kids in apartments.

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LOL?!?!?! .......

Here you wont be able to miss or ignore this thread
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/418071-irish-boys-2011-spectra-led.htmlhttps://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/418071-irish-boys-2011-spectra-led.htmlhttps://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/418071-irish-boys-2011-spectra-led.htmlhttps://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/418071-irish-boys-2011-spectra-led.htmlhttps://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/418071-irish-boys-2011-spectra-led.htmlhttps://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/418071-irish-boys-2011-spectra-led.htmlhttps://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/418071-irish-boys-2011-spectra-led.htmlhttps://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/418071-irish-boys-2011-spectra-led.html

Show me proof that your lights can out preform these LED's.... almost 1g per watt fool. 600 watts of LED = 564grams of Finished product..... on 4 plants... god damn ignorance is bliss...
O..o...open your eyes JR

here just encase you cant figure out how to click on that link...

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Thank irish for the good work.

" think leds grow better quality buds then HID IMO.. these leds buds were the best i have grow using leds then when i was using HPS.. dont get me wrong HPS will grow killer buds but i think leds are better quality, and other HID members think the same.. one guy who bout a 300w GLH light just sold his 400w HPS because the quality and yield was so good. their are plenty of members getting great results with these lights even with 180w or 300w.. their is a side by side being dont right now between a 600w led vs a 600w hps and a 300w led vs a 400w hps.. the bad thing with leds is that the foot print is not as good as HID and they cost allot of money.. but i will say this i am not switching back to my 1000w hps any time soon that now i have 1000+w of leds.. " post by IRISH in https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/300296-irish-boys-glh-600w-led-36.html


Do SOME FUCKING HOMEWORK KID

Thanks for the above posts doesent seem like he understands anything but how to add conjecture and ignorance to an argument and has not offered any fact based analysis or links to back his opinion..
Ignorance is truely bliss!

I am going to being doing a g2 plasma + LED grow here pr0fesseur after i get home from work. ( months time roughly ) I think you will enjoy it, ill let ya know when i get my thread started i have 4 OG kush mothers and 2 WW mothers ready for cloning

Awesome I suggest just buying the DIY kits no need to pay an extra 600 for someone to make it pretty! These Kits are EXACTLY the bulbs used in the Chameleon Lights! Ive done all the looking and have plenty of suppliers and links shoot me a PM ill give you all i have! I was going to buy one for myself after my current T5 Experiment.. im on week 2 of flower..8 more to go! and everything is looking good! I wait anxiously for the thread.. we will show these kool-aid drinkers how intelligent people do things!

Your just showing us how stupid you are. LED's spectrum being "full" (which it is not) doesnt help the plants. HPS bulbs help plants. Show me the lumens for a 4x4 you get from them. Spend more on lights as you both do and get less in weed.

That's why I get $5200 a pound is because there are growers out there like yours.

Those tiny nugs you pasted are ADORABLE for their puny size. Lets see pictures of when they dried, I'll show you dry pictures that are twice as big as ANY of those wet plants. Oh wait, I did, its in my commercial grow journal.

Enjoy kids =P

^ Kitties at work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgXTNBLaVtQ&feature=related

Jokes aside, if you want true full spectrum and great yield the answer isn't LEDs, it's called outdoor.
LEDs are nice, in principle, but compare the number of plants you can grow under a 1k HPS to the amount it takes the "equivalent" LEDs (They boast something like 300 watt LED right?). They still don't have near the amount of light penetration, nor can they support as many plants. I grow more than 1-4 plants a light, so LED is not the answer for me. If you only grow a few plants per light then LED probably is the way to go.

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Your just showing us how stupid you are. LED's spectrum being "full" (which it is not) doesnt help the plants. HPS bulbs help plants. Show me the lumens for a 4x4 you get from them. Spend more on lights as you both do and get less in weed.

That's why I get $5200 a pound is because there are growers out there like yours.

Those tiny nugs you pasted are ADORABLE for their puny size. Lets see pictures of when they dried, I'll show you dry pictures that are twice as big as ANY of those wet plants. Oh wait, I did, its in my commercial grow journal.

Enjoy kids =P

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Again with the flaming and conjecture everyone else here is offering information not bias and flames. you fail to even review links and information posted by the users and offer nothing but "i can do this" good for you want a cookie... ? everyone here including myself are having an adult conversation about the plasma lights.. if you have nothing constructive to say leave the thread.

Plasma lighting has some very serious potential for indoor growing, grow chambers in research facilities and supplemental greenhouse lighting. It is possible to change the spectrum of the lamp to adjust for the plant's requirements and stage of growth and I believe that this is the technology that will dominate in the future. International Plasma has made some great strides in Plasma Lamp production but the price of all plasma lighting is currently cost prohibitive for most growers (Unless you're NASA or working on a research grant). Spending $5-7000 on the equivelant of a 600W HID is crazy! I'm very interested in the Plasma Light evolution but currently there is not enough interest in it to provide incentive for more research that leads to lower pricing and more production. Plasma's time is not here, yet.
LED lighting is advancing very quickly and the lumens per watt are aproaching the performance of HID lighting but are not there yet. There is a lot of money being spent on building better LED chips at a lower cost. Lighting industry experts say that 50% of interior commercial lighting will be LED within a few years. Great news for manufacturers because they expect their sales to continue to grow for the forseeable future. There are some serious changes happening in the commercial lighting business & this is the sole reason many electrical suppliers have not failed due to the bad economy. There are current Utility and government rebates that amount to nearly $175 for every fixture that is replaced by LED and other incentives for new construction. But that's the commercial lighting side of LED -horticulture lighting follows commercial lighting trends but the money is not there to develop new technology -the horticulture lighting industry borrows technology from the commercial lighting side. I don't know of a single chip that has been developed for growing. If Cree or another major manufacturer has made one, I'd like to hear about it -Really, I would like to read about it...
LED manufacturing:
A production run of LED's of one target color will vary from end to end. As far as the spectrum efficiency of the LED's , the LED grow light fixture manufacturers are not required to "BIN" their lamps the way commercial/residential lighting manufacturers are. This is done by purchasing a full production run of LED and then using the data provided to use the LEDs from different parts of the run to create the specified spectrum. This is required to get listed and certification from the DOE as being an energy efficient product (eligible for rebates and government incentives). It's an expensive procedure but results in the spectrum of all of their lights being uniform and within the specified Kelvin range (so streetlights & other multi-chip fixtures will create light of the same color consistantly). LED grow light manufacturers may buy a certain portion of the production runs that fall into their spectural range but I don't think they are spending the money to do so because the cost is increased by several hundred percent. It would be really nice if a manufacturer would provide a spectrum analysis of each individual fixture but none do so (do they?). They may provide their target spectrum, but the actual curve may be off by a HUGE amount because there is no regulation -Some of these manufacturers would rather spend the money on advertising rather than building a superior product -Bottom Line is profitability.
The spectrum deficiencies can be overcome by raw power but then we get into wasting a lot of light and that is exactly what LED makers claim not to do...
The first LED grow lights were COMPLETE GARBAGE and damaged the LED grow lighting business, making respectable manufacturers look like frauds, which is what a lot of those no longer around were!
They have come a long way but I would give LED Horticulture Lighting a few years before I made a large investment. They may last ten years but the technology is advancing so fast that, two years from now the same money invested in grow lights will buy four times the lumen output (intensity capable of producing nice, big buds). My advice is to stick with HID or certified high output T5 or T8 fluorescent -The lumens per watt cannot be beat for production of big buds and grams-per-sq. meter!
There is not a commercial greenhouse in the world that uses LED for supplemental lighting -That's a pretty good indication of the state of the technology.
One last note: LED's a great for seed starting and growing in the VEG state. Home Depot sells these cans made by Cree that are amazing! Four of them at $49 each make a nice 4x4 seedling/clone area (so does a 250W MH)...
DX www.dxhydro.com