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umm....chris said:
thanks man i read that before this thread im switching from cfl to hid just the small watters like 150s to 250s because i want more pot lol
like it says on the qoute "8 26w bulbs (208 watts total) you'd be getting 13,600 lumens" and a 150w hps put out about 16000 lumens and a 250 even more and of course you have to spend the money on the equipment too but i know you already know all of this info but this cat thinks with 9h of research he will be rollin in bud i spent weeks months years even before starting a seed and shit at 18 i can grow better pot than all the dealers that i know that sell crappier shit for like 25 bucks a g
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If there is any way you can step up to a 400-watt HID ... do it .. and if possible one with a digital ballast so you can burn both MH and HPS bulbs. If you can't go up to a 400-watt HID go with the 250-watt HID over the 150-watt. A 250-watt HID only has about 18 inches of light penetration, I do not recall what a 150-watt's penetration is, so you will not have a lot of light penetration going for you and you will have to keep your plants short or else end up with less than you hoped for.

If you grew tall plants with a 250-watt HID roughly the upper third of the plant(s) would be pretty good. You could get a very respectable cola and the buds just below would still be pretty decent. Not massive and super dense, but still respectable. The middle third of the plant(s) would have smaller less dense buds and depending on how tall you might grow, the lower third would have at best a combination of tiny buds and pure popcorn, to at worst, died out foliage and branches due to inadequate light penetration.

If you go with a 250-watt HID, or less, you cannot veg to much of a height before switching to flowering because your plants will soon outgrow your lighting capabilities when the flowering growth spurt hits.
 
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umm....chris said:
its NOT about money its a hobby like collecting coins
for me growing is therapeutic you know if i had a hard day
i love to come home and tend to my plants like a lot of other people out
there it makes me happy
and it not plant em and forget em
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so your saying your growing because the process is theraputic and your not doing it for the bud?
 
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Tahmi.Guhnn said:
yeah but doesnt that inturn lead to more of a probablility of mold setting in? from my understanding the wet, dark and cooler than daytime temps are what mold likes...
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Yes.

There is a danger of burn when foliarfeeding with lights on because water droplets will focus the light rays onto small areas, like a magnifying glass. But wet leaves in the dark, especially when temps lower, is a very good way to end up with mold and other problems.

So if someone is going to foliar feed, pick your poison, doing it during hours lights are on or when they are off or just about to turn off.
 
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If there is any way you can step up to a 400-watt HID ... do it .. and if possible one with a digital ballast so you can burn both MH and HPS bulbs. If you can't go up to a 400-watt HID go with the 250-watt HID over the 150-watt. A 250-watt HID only has about 18 inches of light penetration, I do not recall what a 150-watt's penetration is, so you will not have a lot of light penetration going for you and you will have to keep your plants short or else end up with less than you hoped for.

If you grew tall plants with a 250-watt HID roughly the upper third of the plant(s) would be pretty good. You could get a very respectable cola and the buds just below would still be pretty decent. Not massive and super dense, but still respectable. The middle third of the plant(s) would have smaller less dense buds and depending on how tall you might grow, the lower third would have at best a combination of tiny buds and pure popcorn, to at worst, died out foliage and branches due to inadequate light penetration.

If you go with a 250-watt HID, or less, you cannot veg to much of a height before switching to flowering because your plants will soon outgrow your lighting capabilities when the flowering growth spurt hits.
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the only reason why i want to stay a a lower wattage is that i dont have a house of my own yet and all my shit is in a cab too so i cant be runnin up the bill if i had it my way i would be using kilo-watters and if i lst, scrog or other ways so i can get more bud per watt
 
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the cab set up i am working on is a cooltube, 250w lumatek digi ballast, mh and hps, DWC tote and i will trow some cfls in there on the bottom for a little kick
 
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I didn't read this whole thread, but gained enough to give an opinion. First off it usually doesn't work too well to grow 8 plants in one pot, it might be ok if they are clones as they will all grow basically the same and you know they will all be female. You threw 8 different seeds into a single pot, some will be males and will have to be cut down, some will grow much faster than others and steal all the light from the smaller ones since they all have different genetics. Next thing you have wrong is using a Chandelier which I am assuming you really just mean ceiling light fixture. 3 CFL's aren't even enough for a single plant unless they are all HUGE 150 watt plus lights.

Suggestions:

Get a real grow light, 3 cfl's will net you only a couple grams of smokeble bud at the most. If the plants stretch too much they will just fall over before you even get to a flowering point. The more light the better, IF you MUST use CFl lights , May I suggest you use a minimum of twenty or so of the big 42 watt type. You want about 100 actual watts per plant minimum IMO.

Separate those plants ASAP into their own containers, each plant his its own particular genetics and will grow differently.

DO NOT keep the soil constantly moist, they will surely die if the soil is never allowed to dry out, roots will rot.

Good Luck
 
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i was just sayin its better than he has now and i said 6 not 3 btw
and your sayin 20 42 watter so thats 840w of cfl i bet you will get more from a 400 hps and a 600 would murder even that
thomas edison didnt invinte the light bulb in one try
 
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Brick Top said:
Yes.

There is a danger of burn when foliarfeeding with lights on because water droplets will focus the light rays onto small areas, like a magnifying glass. But wet leaves in the dark, especially when temps lower, is a very good way to end up with mold and other problems.

So if someone is going to foliar feed, pick your poison, doing it during hours lights are on or when they are off or just about to turn off.
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I have never actually seen plants get burned by water droplets, I think its a myth if you ask me. The lights we are using are considerably less powerful than the sun and Ive never seen the sun burn plants through water droplets either. If anything water droplets disperse the lights rays ( Rainbows) and do not ever become convex shaped enough to focus the light onto a smaller area.

Studies have shown that only plants with hairs on their leaves which then suspend the water droplet above the leaf surface can burn the plant, but they have been unable to get smooth leaved plants like MJ to burn, even under midday sun.

http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/water-drop-burn-leaves-100110.html

http://www.cssainc.org/index.php?Itemid=212&id=316&option=com_content&task=view

http://www.walterreeves.com/landscaping/water-drops-do-not-burn-foliage/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7823032/Sunburnt-plants-myth-is-debunked.html

So foliar feed all you want and do not worry about burning plants, its all just an old wives tale, a Myth.
 
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tending to my plants is therapeutic to me as well. and it is a learning process. no matter how much research and reading you do, chances are that something is going to come up, and then you learn from it. remember you guys, you were all newbs at one point too. to bash somebody for trying and starting to grow for the joy of it is just wrong. how would you like it if somebody came and took a big ol shit in your Cheerios? you probably would not like it. so if you don't have anything nice or constructive to say , then please do us all a favor and don't say it at all. IMO learning from your mistakes is all part of the fun.
 
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NoDrama said:
I have never actually seen plants get burned by water droplets, I think its a myth if you ask me. The lights we are using are considerably less powerful than the sun and Ive never seen the sun burn plants through water droplets either. If anything water droplets disperse the lights rays ( Rainbows) and do not ever become convex shaped enough to focus the light onto a smaller area.

Studies have shown that only plants with hairs on their leaves which then suspend the water droplet above the leaf surface can burn the plant, but they have been unable to get smooth leaved plants like MJ to burn, even under midday sun.

http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/water-drop-burn-leaves-100110.html

http://www.cssainc.org/index.php?Itemid=212&id=316&option=com_content&task=view

http://www.walterreeves.com/landscaping/water-drops-do-not-burn-foliage/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7823032/Sunburnt-plants-myth-is-debunked.html

So foliar feed all you want and do not worry about burning plants, its all just an old wives tale, a Myth.
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yeah, i did not believe it either, until it happened to me.
 
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NoDrama said:
So foliar feed all you want and do not worry about burning plants, its all just an old wives tale, a Myth.
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That's not what my four family members with degrees in botany say, but then I guess N.C. State University could have taught them all incorrectly.
 
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lol i made it to page 11 of this thing he calls a grow... Quite humorous if i say so myself, you could take advice but it was advice to you haha research to word advice is something you should do, but im here to say it seems like you attitude has changed for the better so what i was going to say went out the window and im here to watch and chime in when needed. Have you fixed the heat problem yet? And im thinking about 4 will make it as i have done this myself. Good luck and remember you need to take advice even though you dont seem to do that well we are here to benifit you. We are not slow nor retarded, he have experince to share. Thats all haha did some rambling but im done. And definitly be careful with that spray feed!
 
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I've read all 22 pages, and still no f*cking pictures!! ARG!!

I wanted to see if this kid was actually seriously trying to do this. I wanted to see the "jenga table".

Ooh well.
 
wineart

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I am guessing the guy that started this post is pulling a prank on everyone. There is noway you could "read up" and come to any of his conclusions (unless of couse he is dyslexic and gets it all backwards anyway). Yet he was schmart enough to post a poll. It all makes as much sense as growing by taking a video of the sun and playing the plants Grateful Dead music.
 
tafbang

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I'm not sure how much the co2 is effecting the plants but I'm getting rapid leaf growth and the baby plant has gotten better roots and a little taller with it's true leaves still growing.

I can't even count the leaves on the oldest ones now.
 
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