9/11 debunking accomplished

CrackerJax said:

No, my side has been investigated and found to be the accepted facts of the case.

Your premise is UNPROVEN.

Very true.

It is you two who believe in a convoluted twisted story of deceit and treachery.

Everyone else knows darn well it was Al Queda.

Please don't mention logic.... you don't use any.

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no you have proven your side. just as i have said in another post i dont care what statistics you find. i can find one that says the exact opposite. once again because4 i have a different opinion than yours i dont use logic. come on man really. hahahaha pathetic.

macinnis said:

There have been experiments that with out a doubt conclude that the fire caused by the jet fuel weakend the external skeleton, made of steel, to a point where one floor fell down onto the floor below it causing a chain reaction that took out the whole building. Look how the tops of the towers (above the level of the first floor to fall) stay in tact as they are crashing down. The History Channel just did a 2 hour special, debunking the myths and conspiracy theories. I suggest everyone watch it, very informative and well done.

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every one talks about the exterior but no one talks about the middle supports. huh wonder why?

maxamus1 said:

no you have proven your side. just as i have said in another post i dont care what statistics you find. i can find one that says the exact opposite. once again because4 i have a different opinion than yours i dont use logic. come on man really. hahahaha pathetic.

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But my EVIDENCE is the accepted version.

Yours is not.

Yours is considered to be believed by .... how can I put this gently..... nutjobs (too much?)

maxamus1 said:

all i have to say to this is because i don't not believe what you do, or that my conclusion is different than yours i am not rational. where you have gone, or what you have done in life, or how you were brought up in life. has something to do with how you come to your conclusion. so because mine is not the same as yours i am small minded or not rational. ok way to prove your point.

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It is odd that you actually believe that your opinion is equally as reasonable as his or mine. 99.999999999% of experts explain in great detail that 911 was not a conspiracy. Common sense indicates that a conspiracy is not possible. A teeny tiny handful of nut jobs think it was. These are not equal opinions. One is rational the other is not.

Consider this very simple fact. Clinton couldn't even hide getting a blow job but yet you think a conspiracy that had to involve thousands of people with outrageous tactical problems could be hidden so well that the whole world is unable to solve the puzzle. Does that even make sense at a glance?

CrackerJax said:

But my EVIDENCE is the accepted version.

by whom? you and people that think like you. hence accepted version.

Yours is not.

it is accepted just not by you.



Yours is considered to be believed by .... how can I put this gently..... nutjobs (too much?)

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hahaha again with the name calling. ok keep trying to offend me it will not work.

RickWhite said:

It is odd that you actually believe that your opinion is equally as reasonable as his or mine. 99.999999999% of experts explain in great detail that 911 was not a conspiracy.



did you know that most percentages that are given are made up.(proven fact look it up) funny as how the ones that disagreed were fired or made to shut up. even if they were not you would have labeled them nut jobs as you call them, and given them no credibility.



Common sense indicates that a conspiracy is not possible.

common sense says a lot depending on who is using it.








A teeny tiny handful of nut jobs think it was.


more than you think.


These are not equal opinions. One is rational the other is not.


because you say so. right got cha



Consider this very simple fact. Clinton couldn't even hide getting a blow job but yet you think a conspiracy that had to involve thousands of people with outrageous tactical problems could be hidden so well that the whole world is unable to solve the puzzle. Does that even make sense at a glance?

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did i say it involved thousands of people? no i did not. why is it everyone thinks thousands of people did this for it to have happened. a hand full of people or less could have gone in cut something here, cut something there. loosened this loosened that and kaboom. so yes it dose make sense.

maxamus1 said:

a hand full of people or less could have gone in cut something here, cut something there. loosened this loosened that and kaboom. so yes it dose make sense.

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I'm convinced. I've heard many compelling arguments, but yours is superior to all others.

Yes Choda.... it's so clear now. Cut something here, cut something there....

It's a brand new day for me now... wow.

maxamus1 said:

every one talks about the exterior but no one talks about the middle supports. huh wonder why?

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jackass... the exterior bears most of the load

maxamus1 said:

did i say it involved thousands of people? no i did not. why is it everyone thinks thousands of people did this for it to have happened. a hand full of people or less could have gone in cut something here, cut something there. loosened this loosened that and kaboom. so yes it dose make sense.

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your funny... the more you speak the more it becomes painfully obvious you have little or no knowledge of engineering, construction, architecture, or physics.

do you know it takes about 10,000 man hours to prep a building the size of wt7 for demolition

you make it seem like all you have to do is walk on in, loosen a few bolts and light a fire cracker

lol and now that i think about it.. you actually think a couple of guys are going to walk into the world trade center with torches and welders and start knocking down walls and tearing down ceilings and jacking up concrete floors to expose the structural components, weaken them, then repair the crap (to hide the signs.. its a conspiracy remember) they had to tear apart to get to said structural components, then walk on out with all that equipment.. and noone would notice....

Did I mention I have an excellent deal on a bridge for sale? You should pm me for details....

Max may be right tho... I heard that each terrorist had a pack of firecrackers in their pockets, just to make sure the buildings would collapse.

maxamus1 said:

did i say it involved thousands of people? no i did not. why is it everyone thinks thousands of people did this for it to have happened. a hand full of people or less could have gone in cut something here, cut something there. loosened this loosened that and kaboom. so yes it dose make sense.

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ChChoda said:

I'm convinced. I've heard many compelling arguments, but yours is superior to all others.

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CrackerJax said:

Yes Choda.... it's so clear now. Cut something here, cut something there....

It's a brand new day for me now... wow.

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Me too. Lol.

Oh, I simply hate those commercials with a passion.

Mcgician said:

Me too. Lol.

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You see guys, this is their MO.

A few posts back someone posted an intelligent comment about the work involved in a controlled demo. This argument is particularly strong in that it is an undeniable reality that really kicks the legs out from under the entire conspiracy theory. Even the truthers can't deny this so what they try to do is dance around the point in order to divert attention away from it.

You would think a rational person would say, "you know, that is a very good point, I'm going to have to see if I can find an explanation and get back to you."

But truthers are not rational people. See above where he says "did I say this would take thousands of people?" Again this is a straw man. I said it would take thousands and the poster knows that.

Aside from setting up the demolition, conspiring with the buildings security people, conspiring with all the air traffic controllers, both airlines, all the people on board the flights (who didn't mind dying evidently), all the crime scene investigators, rescue workers, etc. you would be involving thousands of people, any one of which could expose the whole secret with a single error or slip of the tung.

Makes one wonder, did they find several hundred people willing to commit suicide, did they hire al-queda to fly the planes or did they fly the planes by remote control? How did they get two profitable airlines to agree to go along with this knowing the results would be catastrophic for them and for the entire industry? I guess they paid off board of directors of each the airline too.

Anyway, I already know how they will reply. It will be one of a few types of responses. Maybe it will be another straw man response, maybe it will be a wise crack type comeback, or maybe it will be a link to another truther website with a bunch of convoluted nonsense or some alleged "expert" who's word we should take as Gospel. Or, maybe they will answer with their own set of non-sequitor questions that have no baring on what I asked.

The one thing I guarantee it will not be is a rational, well articulated answer to any of the actual questions posted. No, they know that engaging in a rational discussion of the key facts is not what they want because they know in their subconscious that their arguments are merely a product of their twisted psyche.

Usually the response is in BIG type..... that always makes the comment more solid......

I particularly love the response... " I don't need to prove anything to you...." Why the thread then?..... uhhh, yes you do.... uhhh.... fail. I'll spare you the big pica. case.

i wont...


FAIL

How dare you inject common sense into this debate.... how DARE you!!!

But why did we need a "reason" to invade Iraq when we already had so many?

First and foremost, the US has been at war with Iraq since the 1991 Gulf war. Since then, a ceasefire was declared but Iraq constantly violated the terms of the ceasefire. See this from Wikipedia:

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441 is a United Nations Security Council resolution adopted unanimously by the United Nations Security Council on November 8, 2002, offering Iraq under Saddam Hussein "a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations" that had been set out in several previous resolutions (Resolution 660, Resolution 661, Resolution 678, Resolution 686, Resolution 687, Resolution 688, Resolution 707, Resolution 715, Resolution 986, and Resolution 1284). [1]
Resolution 1441 stated that Iraq was in material breach of the ceasefire terms presented under the terms of Resolution 687. Iraq's breaches related not only to weapons of mass destruction (WMDs), but also the known construction of prohibited types of missiles, the purchase and import of prohibited armaments, and the continuing refusal of Iraq to compensate Kuwait for the widespread looting conducted by its troops during the 1991 invasion and occupation. It also stated that "...false statements or omissions in the declarations submitted by Iraq pursuant to this resolution and failure by Iraq at any time to comply with, and cooperate fully in the implementation of, this resolution shall constitute a further material breach of Iraq's obligations."

It should also be noted that Iraq regularly fired upon our aircraft while they patrolled the no fly zone. Every incident was a violation of the ceasefire, an act of war and all the reason we needed to resume bombing. Bush in fact, only went to the UN and to Congress as a matter of diplomacy and support. Legally, he didn't need any more reason or even the permission of Congress.

As you can see, Bush didn't need 911 to bomb Iraq, all he needed to do was to cite their actions and their violation of the UN resolutions. Furthermore, Bush never even tried to tie Iraq to 911. The only link between the two is the indirect support for terrorism that Iraq gave openly and unabashedly.

Blame for 911 always was placed on Bin Laden and al-queda. It was the anti-Bush people that tried to make 911 the reason for resuming the war with Iraq. Bush only claimed that they were a dangerous, destabilizing regime that was developing WMD and supporting terrorism.

Conspiracy Theorists are in interesting creatures to study.

IAm5toned said:

jackass... the exterior bears most of the load


lmfao. yes it dose but not my point.



your funny... the more you speak the more it becomes painfully obvious you have little or no knowledge of engineering, construction, architecture, or physics.


i could answer this many different ways but all of them include me being a smart ass so i will pass.



do you know it takes about 10,000 man hours to prep a building the size of wt7 for demolition


no i did not but thank you for the info.

you make it seem like all you have to do is walk on in, loosen a few bolts and light a fire cracker

no there is more to it than that. if you would like to hear my side and not call names, and act like kids i will be more than happy to tell you.

lol and now that i think about it.. you actually think a couple of guys are going to walk into the world trade center with torches and welders and start knocking down walls and tearing down ceilings and jacking up concrete floors to expose the structural components, weaken them, then repair the crap (to hide the signs.. its a conspiracy remember) they had to tear apart to get to said structural components, then walk on out with all that equipment.. and noone would notice....


look at above statement.

Did I mention I have an excellent deal on a bridge for sale? You should pm me for details....

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as i have one for sale too.

RickWhite said:

You see guys, this is their MO.



But truthers are not rational people. See above where he says "did I say this would take thousands of people?" Again this is a straw man. I said it would take thousands and the poster knows that.

because you say it will take thousands of people makes it gospel then right? no it would not.




Aside from setting up the demolition, conspiring with the buildings security people, conspiring with all the air traffic controllers, both airlines, all the people on board the flights (who didn't mind dying evidently), all the crime scene investigators, rescue workers, etc. you would be involving thousands of people, any one of which could expose the whole secret with a single error or slip of the tung.


see you add to many variables to this. i am talking about a few specialist, you're talking everyone and their momma.

Makes one wonder, did they find several hundred people willing to commit suicide, did they hire al-queda to fly the planes or did they fly the planes by remote control? How did they get two profitable airlines to agree to go along with this knowing the results would be catastrophic for them and for the entire industry? I guess they paid off board of directors of each the airline too.

again i have never said anything about no planes hitting the wtcs not being real.

Anyway, I already know how they will reply. It will be one of a few types of responses. Maybe it will be another straw man response, maybe it will be a wise crack type comeback, or maybe it will be a link to another truther website with a bunch of convoluted nonsense or some alleged "expert" who's word we should take as Gospel. Or, maybe they will answer with their own set of non-sequitor questions that have no baring on what I asked.



i guess you were wrong. you may say i am grasping at straws but i say the same to you.


The one thing I guarantee it will not be is a rational, well articulated answer to any of the actual questions posted. No, they know that engaging in a rational discussion of the key facts is not what they want because they know in their subconscious that their arguments are merely a product of their twisted psyche.

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that's all i have tried to do but you guys want to call names, or call me irrational because i do not agree with you.