9 plants 250 watts SOG????

boricuaboi

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Watts have nothing to do with light or growth. Watts measure how much power a light fixture uses to produce light. You can tell how efficient a light bulb is by looking at watts. A 23 watt CFL produces as much light as a 100 watt incandescent...even though the incandescent has more watts, it's useless. See what I mean?

What you care about is light...more specifically, light energy. That's what plants use during photosynthesis/growth. Light is measured in lumens. In my experience and reading, lumen amounts per sq. ft./sq. m. look like this

2000 lumens sq. ft./21500 lumens sq. m. = Absolute minimum for growth. You won't get much from this, especially after the plant has grown a bit. Not really enough to flower well.

3000 lumens sq. ft./32250 lumens sq. m. = Pretty Good growth. Enough light for the entire light cycle, although your yields may be lower.
4000 lumens sq. ft./43000 lumens sq. m. = Very good growth. Once you pass around 3500, growth rate and ability goes up fast.

Over 5000 lumens sq. ft./53750 lumens sq. m. = Optimal growth. Dense growth in all stages.

Keep in mind that using reflectors, using mylar or having flat white walls, and keeping your lights close to your plants keep you from wasting lumens. It's not just about having light, it's about getting the light to your plants. IMO, people ofter overbuy lights. This creates more light, but the light isn't always hitting the plants. And that creates more heat and ventilation issues, which causes stress problems.

That's why it's still impossible to tell anything about growth or yield based on just lumens. A guy that has an HPS that is too far away from plants that have no walls near them and no ventilation may get poorer results than a grower with CFLs that uses reflectors and has a couple of lights under the canopy in a well-ventilated spot.

HPS lights are often said to generate more heat than CFLs. That's not really true...it's just that they are more efficient at producing light, and there's a smaller surface area on the bulb itself for the resulting heat to dissipate. That means more ventilation. But the higher amount of lumens per watt means you use less power and get greater light penetration through your canopy. Still, I'm a believer that well used CFL's can give you great grows with less ventilation and heat issues. If you're in a small to very small area (less than 4 sq. ft./.25 sq. m.), I'd consider the advantages of CFLs in that way.

But HPS is more efficient. A typical 250 watt HPS bulb/unit will produce about 27,000 lumens. I've seen people use a 250w in a 3' x 3' room and get good results. That's 9 sq. ft. which = 3000 lumens a sq. ft. (Really, a 250w HPS is better in a smaller area.) to give you an idea of the difference in efficiency of CFL vs. HPS, think of this.

23w CFL = 1600 lumens = 69.6 lumens/watt
30w CFL = 2000 lumens = 66.7 lumens/watt
40w CFL = 2600 lumens = 66.3 lumens/watt

compared to

150w HPS = 14000 lumens = 93.3 lumens/watt
250w HPS = 28000 lumens = 112 lumens/watt
400w HPS = 50000 lumens = 125 lumens/watt
600w HPS = 90000 lumens = 150 lumens/watt

So you can see that HPS is more efficient than CFL...and as you get into bigger HPS bulbs, it becomes a lot more efficient. There's also fewer hassles with multiple cords and saved money on your energy bill. If you've got a big area and/or you can deal with the heat and ventilation, HPS is the way to go in flowering. Still, I'm a believer in small HPS lights and combo HPS/CFL grows...if you've got a 2' x 2' room, you can use a 150w HPS and 4 23w CFLs from Wal-Mart and get a terrific grow with very few heat issues.

you are fucking genius!!!!!! +rep
 

homegrwn

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been around and seen some cfl and hps growths.. full finish...

Six 40w cfl got him a half oz per plant with 10 plants total

one 250w Hps got him almost an oz per plant with 12 plants

Basically he started using cfl's at the university with a stealth bathroom sink. He didnt care about the drop in yield as his needs changed IE smoked less sold less... so you fine with 9 just keep em as close as possible and use the best reflection possible. You can trim some and leave the rest as thats what seemed to work best for his cfl's with the hps he had not trimmed any and still had a nice sog.....Nutrients nutrients nutrients!!! check that ph and tap water wont kill your shit and shouldnt stress it too much!!

Let the ho's go and tell em chill sent ya
 

dannyking

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Wow, thanks guys, looks like we got some good grows from some 250's, I will post some pics of my ladies under a 250 later, before the 400 goes in. my last grow was with 4 white widow under a 250, got an oz from each approximately. was delighted.
 

boricuaboi

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They are 2 types of hps systems i hope you know their a re horticulture bulbs and plain hps urs is a horticulture so it has more lumens be nice!!!

SO UR WRONG BUZZ TRY AGAIN LOL
 

sunny747

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I tried growing a bunch of plants in a 2x2.. It didn't work. The plants competed for the light (food) and they grew very tall and lanky. Eventually I threw them all out and kept one.

I guess 9 in 1 gallon pots would work... 250 watts really isn't that much light though. 300-350 sounds better, I'd probably just keep them on 12/12 from seed to keep them small.

A better idea is 1 plant in a 3 -5 gallon either scrogged or LST'd/topped etc..
 
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