A big thanks to Greenhouse Seed Co

NatureaFinest

Well-Known Member
I hate GHS. I haven't been growin but for only a year. I've ran strains from flash seeds, DNA genetics, seedsman, Eva female, & nirvana. I attempted ghs ladyburn 1974 and 3 of their church strain with 0% germ. That $ machine will never get my hard earned again. Its sad seedsman doesn't ship to us but u can order packs off attitude and other banks for relatively good prices. I love their g13 skunk! Also Eva female actually puts an expiration date on their beans! Does anyone kno of any other breeders that do this??
 

Mr G row

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I hate GHS. I haven't been growin but for only a year. I've ran strains from flash seeds, DNA genetics, seedsman, Eva female, & nirvana. I attempted ghs ladyburn 1974 and 3 of their church strain with 0% germ. That $ machine will never get my hard earned again. Its sad seedsman doesn't ship to us but u can order packs off attitude and other banks for relatively good prices. I love their g13 skunk! Also Eva female actually puts an expiration date on their beans! Does anyone kno of any other breeders that do this??
i dont ever remember seeing a expiration date on any that i have had in the past, its a good idea though!
 

Kratose

Well-Known Member
thanks for your really good seeds an having me wast 7 weeks with your hermes chem dog fem seeds, i had 5 they had been turned to flower about 3 weeks ago they stretched like fook and 3 have only just started showing both sexes today, i have not took the risk with wasting any more time with the other 2 there all in the bin now :finger:
Damn man sorry to hear that. I had great luck with GreenHouse. I got some really good White Widow Pheno's and had there Rhyno which didn't yield well but was awesome bud. I will admit a few seeds were cracked and did not germinate but those that did were great.

I hope your next seeds are great.
 

socaliboy

Well-Known Member
I have never had any problems with GHS, currently growing Super Lemon Haze (third GHS strain I have grown) and they have never hermied nor have I had a single issue that I hear people complain about...maybe people should choose more simple strains instead of bitching at the Green House. Just cause Arjan owns them lol
 

Brick Top

New Member
it couldnt be your fault in growing could it?
I am sure GHS with all their money tied into breeding that they are putting out a shit product.

For every person that has a problem with one breeder there are 10 that love them.

Do you honestly believe that Green House Seeds has a great deal of money tied up in breeding? If so this is your lucky day because I happen to own a bridge that connects two boroughs of New York, Brooklyn and Manhattan, and I am growing tired of it and I will sell it to you for a very reasonable price.

One reason Green House Seeds went all feminized is so they can buy other breeders work and self them and make feminized seeds. Green House Seeds is not a major breeder. Few strains they market are actually their own and of the few they make, most are crap.

Green House Seeds has a few, and I mean just a few, strains that for what you get in relation to the low price you pay they are decent values. The rest are hermie-ridden crap.


Green House Seeds and Nirvana are two losers fighting for last place. The only reason Green House Seeds exists today is it's past fame thanks to when Scott Blakey (AKA Shantibaba) was part owner and did the breeding and when Nevil was partners with Arjan in the Green House Seeds Coffee Shop and he also bred, alone and with Shantibaba, and his creations, both alone and working with Shantibaba, were sold under the Green House Seeds name and some of the most famous most successful strains ever were created by the pair.

Since both became totally fed up with Arjan and sold their respective shares in the two businesses and moved on, Green House Seeds has been a Wal-Mart of seed companies.
 

thump easy

Well-Known Member
wow sometime a person causes hermies on their own lolz thats just a mistake over nutrientizing, light poison, root ph to high to low, so sometime you just gota think hey did i cause this? but i feel u it sucks wen plants hermie.
 

Brick Top

New Member
wow sometime a person causes hermies on their own lolz thats just a mistake over nutrientizing, light poison, root ph to high to low, so sometime you just gota think hey did i cause this? but i feel u it sucks wen plants hermie.

Someone can cause hermies, but when over time there are multiple reports of hermies with certain strains and the growers are experienced, skilled, have good setups and not a history of hermies in the past, that is when you blame the genetics. A good number of Green House Seeds fit into that category.

There was a time when you could not make a better choice than Green House Seeds. And there was a time that the Chicago Cubs were world champions too. In both cases things have changed dramatically and those glory days are now nothing more than history.
 

potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
I grew GHS Super Lemon Haze last year; details and pix are in my sig. It was good smoke and relatively easy to grow, not too fussy, but I was expecting more and better with it being a "super star" 3x CC winner. I won't be growing it again.
 

Mr G row

Well-Known Member
it was august last year when i had the hermie problem from GHS, i decided to give them another chance and got some lemon skunk they were crap only 1 grew out of 3 that i planted and it took ages to start flowering and the stretch on it was a joke so i decided it was not worth saving because it was going to be done far to long after the others and was going to cut into the time for the start of my next project so its dead now, (it didnt go hermie on me though lol) i wont be using them again. i have had some really good seeds recently i got some seeds from seedsman seeds (skunk #1) they were really nice plants and bomb seeds, (big bomb) that are about halfway through flowering and looking really good! i really dont think them going hermie was anything i did i have not had this problem before and the other plants that they were in there with were fine. i wont tell people not to use GHS because i have seen some good plants from them but after my experiences with their seeds they will never again get my money.
 

Kratose

Well-Known Member
Do you honestly believe that Green House Seeds has a great deal of money tied up in breeding? If so this is your lucky day because I happen to own a bridge that connects two boroughs of New York, Brooklyn and Manhattan, and I am growing tired of it and I will sell it to you for a very reasonable price.

One reason Green House Seeds went all feminized is so they can buy other breeders work and self them and make feminized seeds. Green House Seeds is not a major breeder. Few strains they market are actually their own and of the few they make, most are crap.

Green House Seeds has a few, and I mean just a few, strains that for what you get in relation to the low price you pay they are decent values. The rest are hermie-ridden crap.


Green House Seeds and Nirvana are two losers fighting for last place. The only reason Green House Seeds exists today is it's past fame thanks to when Scott Blakey (AKA Shantibaba) was part owner and did the breeding and when Nevil was partners with Arjan in the Green House Seeds Coffee Shop and he also bred, alone and with Shantibaba, and his creations, both alone and working with Shantibaba, were sold under the Green House Seeds name and some of the most famous most successful strains ever were created by the pair.

Since both became totally fed up with Arjan and sold their respective shares in the two businesses and moved on, Green House Seeds has been a Wal-Mart of seed companies.

Sad to say you are right about that. Just like the prized White Widow that they claim to have made. It was actually Shantibaba that made that strain. And from what I am told Green House does not have the original, Shantibaba does. Although I will admit I do buy from Green House sometimes because they do have some good genetics, but not all of them are there creations.



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bigsteve

Well-Known Member
A couple years ago Greenhouse had the best cheese on the block. I just grew them again
and 3 plants yielded a total of one oz. 10-12 inches between nodes. Never again.

BigSteve.
 

Brick Top

New Member
Sad to say you are right about that. Just like the prized White Widow that they claim to have made. It was actually Shantibaba that made that strain. And from what I am told Green House does not have the original, Shantibaba does. Although I will admit I do buy from Green House sometimes because they do have some good genetics, but not all of them are there creations.
The White Widow story is one of the most famous, confusing and contradictory stories when it comes to strains. There are so many versions, most incorrect, that even some of those who were involved have a difficult time keeping things straight.

Arjan has been very entertaining with his evolving stories about Green House Seeds and White Widow. Scott Blakey (AKA Shantibaba) started Green House Seeds and Arjan was his partner, who did not breed, he handed the marketing and advertising etc. end of the business. When Shantibaba finally had enough of Arjan and sold his share of the business to Arjan and left, taking his genetics with him and opening up Mr. Nice Seed and renaming several of his famous strains, with of course White Widow becoming Black Widow. Arjan decided so say that he started Green House Seeds, himself, several years before Shantibaba. Then Arjan said that Shantibaba did not create the original White Widow, that it was created by Ingemar who was doing some outside breeding for Green House Seeds, and that Ingemar created White Widow several years before Shantibaba did. Of course that seems odd since what became one of the most famous and successful strains to date was not marketed or entered in any Cup competitions. We're supposed to believe that White Widow was created and then sat on.

But in one of the more amusing of Arjan's fairy tales, in a video that can be found on YouTube, Arjan flat out says he created White Widow. I would have to listen to the video again to be able to quote it exactly, but Arjan says something like, thee White Widow, my creation, 94, 95. He doesn't say a Green House Seeds creation, he doesn't say an Ingemar creation, like he claimed in the past. Instead he says, my creation. Then he goes on to say that Green House Seeds and only Green House Seeds has the original White Widow.

As I have said a number of times, there are a few strains in the Green House Seeds line that are a good value for the budget seed buyer, for someone who is unable to purchase top quality genetics. They aren't fantastic, but they are not garbage either, and what you get in return for what little you pay is a very fair value. But most of the line doesn't fit into that category.
 

Kratose

Well-Known Member
The White Widow story is one of the most famous, confusing and contradictory stories when it comes to strains. There are so many versions, most incorrect, that even some of those who were involved have a difficult time keeping things straight.

Arjan has been very entertaining with his evolving stories about Green House Seeds and White Widow. Scott Blakey (AKA Shantibaba) started Green House Seeds and Arjan was his partner, who did not breed, he handed the marketing and advertising etc. end of the business. When Shantibaba finally had enough of Arjan and sold his share of the business to Arjan and left, taking his genetics with him and opening up Mr. Nice Seed and renaming several of his famous strains, with of course White Widow becoming Black Widow. Arjan decided so say that he started Green House Seeds, himself, several years before Shantibaba. Then Arjan said that Shantibaba did not create the original White Widow, that it was created by Ingemar who was doing some outside breeding for Green House Seeds, and that Ingemar created White Widow several years before Shantibaba did. Of course that seems odd since what became one of the most famous and successful strains to date was not marketed or entered in any Cup competitions. We're supposed to believe that White Widow was created and then sat on.

But in one of the more amusing of Arjan's fairy tales, in a video that can be found on YouTube, Arjan flat out says he created White Widow. I would have to listen to the video again to be able to quote it exactly, but Arjan says something like, thee White Widow, my creation, 94, 95. He doesn't say a Green House Seeds creation, he doesn't say an Ingemar creation, like he claimed in the past. Instead he says, my creation. Then he goes on to say that Green House Seeds and only Green House Seeds has the original White Widow.

As I have said a number of times, there are a few strains in the Green House Seeds line that are a good value for the budget seed buyer, for someone who is unable to purchase top quality genetics. They aren't fantastic, but they are not garbage either, and what you get in return for what little you pay is a very fair value. But most of the line doesn't fit into that category.
Yeah I know all about that, and that the White Widow that Shantibaba created is now being sold by him at his seedback Mr Nice as Black Widow. And I have also seen that same video when he states it was his creation back in 94 and 95. I am very familiar with all that. I have been following Green House for a long time and have heard all the drama/controversy

White Widow was entered into the Cannabis Cup and won it in 1995. Was it the original who knows. But a strain called White Widow did win the cup in 1995.

Two two strains I have not tried but want to is K Train and Purple Wreck I believe it was. It was just there on Nirvana the other day but now is gone from the list. Those are two strains I want to try.
 

Brick Top

New Member
White Widow was entered into the Cannabis Cup and won it in 1995. Was it the original who knows. But a strain called White Widow did win the cup in 1995.
Just rely on a little logic. Shantibaba and Arjan owned Green House Seeds. Arjan handled the marketing and advertising, Shantibaba did the breeding. Green House Seeds entered the Cup winning strain known as White Widow.

So between Shantibaba and Arjan, only Shantibaba could have been the creator.

Consider the Ingemar story. Do you believe that a breeder who came up with such an impressive strain, allegedly years before Shantibaba, would have just sat on it? Why wouldn't it be marketed? Why wouldn't it be entered into competitions? Doing so would defy all logic. And in the case of the alleged Ingemar creation, the lineage is a secret, it's like Colonel Sanders secret eleven herbs and spices commercials of the past. Why might Ingemar's alleged creation be a secret recipe? Maybe because if he claimed it to be what it actually in people who knew and worked with him at the time might come forward and say how he didn't have those strains in his breeding stable at the time, if eve, and could not have created it. And if he picked strains he had and claimed those are what were used if anyone attempted to create a knockoff based on they they would never come anywhere close. So the only way to protect the Ingemar myth is to keep the secret recipe a secret.

Something else to consider, if Arjan created White Widow and Green House Seeds does have the original, why have Green House Seeds information about the THC percentage varied so widely over the years? If you have followed the White Widow story since the breakup you would have seen Green House Seeds advertise THC percentages for it's White Widow as low as 12%, as high as 22% and now, at least on Attitude's site, Green House claims 20%. I have seen 18% also claimed in Green House Seeds information. When it was a new strain test results came back in the 20% to 22% range. Why would Arjan later market it as low as 12%, or use anything other than 20% to 22% or just 20% or just 22% if he had the original that tested between 20% and 22%? The only thing that makes any sense is as Green House Seeds desperately tried to make a knockoff that would at least come close to the potency of the original that some fell short and by a large enough amount that had higher THC percentages been claimed anyone who grew it would know it was being overrated, that the percentage claimed was a lie. So as progressively better knockoffs replaced the earlier failures the advertised THC percentages climbed. The original White Widow would not have dropped by 8% to 10% and then slowly climbed back to 20% and being the moneygrubbing person that Arjan is he would never have so grossly undersold the potency of the original.

Others have laid claim to having created the original White Widow. I read an article some years back where De Sjamaan claimed to have created the original and said that cuttings must have been stolen from him and the strain entered in competitions and marketed before he could market his alleged original.

The more confusion that is created by people who do not know what happened and the more people that say, well, this is possible, or, that is possible, and who says, who knows, opens the door for more and more breeders to claim they created the original and that some nefarious deed was performed and they were cheated out of the fame, glory and riches, or it gives them the chance to be able to claim to being the one and only who has the true original.

The result of so many people not accepting the truth is that every day growers pay for seeds they have been fooled into being the original White Widow, and even if the knockoff they get is good, they were still ripped off because they paid for one thing and received something else.
 
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