A Cruise Missile Slammed Into the Pentagon on 911

Doer

Doer

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Now we can understand that was not a flat plate that easily makes some depressurization

The floors above sagged down from heat, and fell apart. But, the walls were still intact, tSo, he falling potions were not able depressurize as flat plates, even.

the central pressure was even higher.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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Doer said:
Speak up
What are trying to say
You know they haul all that off for clues

That picture looks fake to me.
I've have never seen it

The plane is 3x too big compared to the people.
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Yeah, cos planes stick into the ground, undamaged, like darts.
 
OddBall1st

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Martin Timothy said:

http://disclose.tv/viewVideo.php?video_id=44286




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What a BS thread,

The top pic is the AGM 86 being off loaded in it`s factory delivered case. It is loaded to a 52 fully assembled by a different crew and machine. The fully assembled one is the pic hanging from the ceiling at the cold war museum. This missile was used to fly CAP over the North Pole during the Cold War. If it hit the pentagon, that W-80 thermonuclear warhead would leave a bowl in the ground where the Pentagon used to be.

The You Tube video is all ass backwards....HMMMM!!

The little video is a BGM Tomahawk Land Attack Missile (TLAM) wit a 1,000lb warhead.
The computer simulation climb is not possible, the dihedral effect would rip the wings off. Any pilot knows that.
The plane over the Pentagon is a 757.
The mystery plane is a 777 test plane.

There are no thermonuclear detonations in this thread. They are clearly and definitively distinguishable.
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OddBall1st

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heckler73 said:
Kynes,
Centrifugal force is a "convenience" used for quantitative discussion (more notably in Lagrangian Mechanics), but if you were to analyze the forces on a rotating body, what you are confusing as "centrifugal" is actually inertia.
Centrifugal would require a Newtonian force that exerts itself in a radial direction from the origin. When you let go of the ball on string, or a turbine fin has an instantaneously ubiquitous fracture at its base, what direction does the projectile go? OUTWARD?
No...
It goes in a direction tangential to the radial arc traced (i.e. the "theta hat" direction). It may appear outward, but it is not.
Take a look at the attached PDF from John Taylor's text-book discussing the "fictious" inertial forces and when they are "applied".
It's funny, I think back to when I was told these things, and I had the same sort of reaction as you. It took me a while (and lots of scribbling) to finally come to grips with the subject and accept it for what it is.

As for your powdered aluminum. An engine block is made from CAST aluminum, which is different from Aluminum alloys produced for general fabrication. Just like cast Steel is different from Structural Steel. Different crystal structures implies different reaction rates.
If you've ever tried welding any of these materials, you'd know exactly what I'm talking about.
So trying to use an example of how cast aluminum oxidizes versus aluminum plates or extrusions is not an apples to apples comparison.
BTW did you see the reply from the expert on that aluminum link of yours?

Materials want to achieve a lower energy state,(this is where Enthalpy comes in --Heck) in the case of Aluminum and steel they are more stable with an ionic bond between the metal and oxygen. This is basically the process of burning (i.e. add heat + O2, and you get an activated complex seeking the lowest energy state, being the Oxide); corrosion of the metals is the same process at a much slower speed. To compare Aluminum to Steel. Aluminum is more reactive than Steel, this is why it costs so much more to extract it from its ore.
However, aluminum is corrosion resistant because when it corrodes the surface of the plate is covered by the product of the corrosion. The product of this corrosion is Aluminum Oxide; this is a ceramic and is about the 3rd hardest substance known. The thin coating protects the aluminum under the surface and stops further corrosion. Steel on the other hand when it corrodes the Iron Ferrite peels straight off and exposes the underlying material this is why steel rusts so fast. Aluminum and Iron will burn as will any other metal, if it has a sufficiently sized particle. For both metals it is a very small size. A single plate will simply react on the outer layers however the outer skin will by covered in ash from the combustion and protect the inner plate.

Here's another useful link for identifying what type of alloy your engine block is made from before you go blast it with your pew-pew projectile-launching cylinder.
http://www.substech.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=cast_aluminum_alloys
The point is, you are not going to start any fires from blasting aluminum with projectiles or smashing a bat against a wall, either, unless one is dealing with a sufficient mass of free particles.
Go ahead and try smashing your noggin with an aluminum frying pan, and see if the pan turns to dust before catching on fire.
You can wear your fedora, too. For added excitement, try sprinkling some Iron (II) Oxide and Sulfur on top!
Hot time in the old town toniiiiiiiiight

Finally, my reference to the strength of aluminum going up under compression was not a reference to shooting it (I can see how you may have confused that). It was a reference to how a plane can punch through walls. Impact will compress the structure and components, increasing local strength (force vector dependent, of course).
This paradoxically allows for more penetration, albeit I am talking about tiny changes (probably approaching negligible, especially in the Flt. 77 case). However, it does not support the idea of increased weakness or fragility, which is a point some may try to make.

But heyyyy...I could be wrong, right?
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I`ll tell ya how a plane goes through a concrete wall. Kinetic energy.

You can put an empty beer can through steel at the right speed.

The energy of motion (Kinetic) is instantly transferred to heat, light and sound,....and through the steel it goes !i
 
OddBall1st

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There was an episode of Mythbusters where they cut a car in half with a plow attached to a rocket sled, the car was cut clean in half, some of the sled was found.....the plow was never found....it vaporized when it hit the stop wall from the kinetic energy release.
 
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