A few questions before I try to grow.

Tyler123

Member
Hi. I have been having a lot of pain throughout my body do to illness. A family member introduced me to marijuana and it has really helped with my pain and also my appetite. I really don't relying on others and hate the thought of going to a "drug dealer" so I feel my best option is to grow my own.

Remember I am all new to this but have been doing a lot of reading. This is what I am planning. I plan to try a grow tent 4x4x6'6". I am thinking of buying the Haight LED Grow light Panel 190W. I am going to just use soil to grow my plants.

Questions: Will I need to ventilate as the LED panel does not create much heat?
Will this light be sufficient or too much for this space?
How many plants will grow in this space?
Is there anything I am overlooking?

Thanks in advance.
 

kevin murphy

New Member
led dont produce any heat if they do its at a minimum what medium u thinking of using..light schedule and seeds..
 

Tyler123

Member
I understand that the LED won't produce much heat but I wonder if fresh air is needed to circulate through the tent? When you say "medium" what do you mean? I plan to use garden soil if this is what you mean. I have been looking at seeds online but am nervous of using my credit card. I want to be discreet. I have been looking at High Grade seeds. They accept cash but I really don't want to give them my home mailing address. I was looking at Avalanche and White widow but really have not made a decision on seeds yet. I have not gotten far enough into this to think about light schedule yet. Just wondering if I am in the right direction. It is still illegal here and very difficult to receive a prescription.
 

growone

Well-Known Member
good luck with your medical grow, glad you've found some relief
a rough rule is that you need 50 watts of illumination for every square foot of space
that panel will probably not be sufficient, I'm not a LED grower, but you might want to try a more traditional route
i personally use cfl's, but that's for micro grows - HPS lighting is much used for grows of this size
from what I've seen, LED's seem to be best for supplemental lighting, less so by themselves
but they are making progress, eventually LED will probably be the best system
 

woodydude

Active Member
You need to exchange the air in the tent at least every 4 minutes up to 4x per min. This is to coll the space as well as allow for CO2 depleted air to be replaced.
You also need to circulate the air within the space. (Oscillating fan), This helps strengthen the stems and moves CO2 depleted air from around the leaves. It also prevents warm air building up in corners etc. Dont grow without one lol.

I have yet to see a good yield from an LED light. I have seen good veg growth but never good yields. For the cost involved, a 600W HPS would be a better option IMO (in my opinion) This will provide more lumens and is perfect for a 4' x 4' space.

I have bought seeds from Attitude, Herbiesheadshop and Nirvana with my credit card without problems however I never have them sent to my home address, always a friends. (Saying it is something for my partners birthday). I suffer from Crohnes desease, which is excruciatingly painful on occasions. The best I have found for pain relief and symptoms is Mandala Satori, closely followed by White Widow. NL#5 x Haze is also extremely good but can be a bit heavy.

Hope you find what you are looking for. W
 

cannabisguru

Well-Known Member
Hi. I have been having a lot of pain throughout my body do to illness. A family member introduced me to marijuana and it has really helped with my pain and also my appetite. I really don't relying on others and hate the thought of going to a "drug dealer" so I feel my best option is to grow my own.

Remember I am all new to this but have been doing a lot of reading. This is what I am planning. I plan to try a grow tent 4x4x6'6". I am thinking of buying the Haight LED Grow light Panel 190W. I am going to just use soil to grow my plants.

Questions: Will I need to ventilate as the LED panel does not create much heat?
Will this light be sufficient or too much for this space?
How many plants will grow in this space?
Is there anything I am overlooking?

Thanks in advance.

Make sure you use all organics!! Trust me, the difference between regular and organics.. is just amazing.

As far as lighting goes? You'd be better off using CFL (Compact Fluorescent Lighting) and then maybe throwing in a 250watt to a 400watt HPS lamp in addition with the CFL bulbs.

if you have any questions, feel free to msg me buddy. I'm here to help if possible.

peace.
 

Tyler123

Member
Well maybe I am oversizing my tent. Maybe a 2 x 2 would be better? I only want to grow 1 to 2 plants at a time. Compact flourescents would be cheaper for sure. I just thought the Led would produce better.
 

growone

Well-Known Member
Well maybe I am oversizing my tent. Maybe a 2 x 2 would be better? I only want to grow 1 to 2 plants at a time. Compact flourescents would be cheaper for sure. I just thought the Led would produce better.
getting started is tough, way too many choices
if you're up for some reading, there are some tricky techniques for growing in small spaces
a common one is LST, which is one i've used
the plant is gently bent at the beginning, and forms a spiral around the pot, very compact
goes well with cfl's as you can put them very close to the plant
 

panhead

Well-Known Member
No matter what type lighting you use the tent will need ventilation,even if heat isnt an issue fresh air flow is,remember your putting wet/moist containers full of soil into an inclosed area,without fresh air flow the chance of the plants being overtaken by powdery mildew is greatly increased,stale non moving air is never a good thing,there are several other reasons air flow is needed as well.

Medium just means what your plants will be growing in,your medium is soil.

The led light your looking at is very expensive & will not do the trick for your tent,the led panel is so small you cant cover any more area with proper lighting than directly under the light frame,if heat is an issue than florescent tube lighting is where its at,you have several choices,there is T-5 which works ok with lower heat levels & there is T-12 using natural daylight bulbs,this also works ok & are close in performance with the T-5 on a watt vs watt basis,i own & use both types.

The absolute best lighting source is HPS which is high pressure sodium,its intensity is ten fold over the other types listed,i also use this type.

For a absolute new grower the t-5 is most likely the best bet,you will want the 2x4 unit that houses 8 4 ft long bulbs to cover as much area as possible,with all types of florescent lighting the only area thats light well enough to properly grow is directly under the light frame,a 2x4 light gives a 2x4 area.

You do not need to buy expensive seeds from amsterdam in order to grow top notch pot,you can get equaly kick ass pot by simply using seeds from a random bag of street pot,which is best for 1st time growers & it helps keep costs down.
 

Tyler123

Member
OK. Sounds like the LED's are out. I am trying to keep things as simple as I can as my energy levels are very low some days. I thank you all for your responses and patience. Power consumption is a concern. I like the thought of the mini spiral flourescent but if they are not as good as the long tube flourescents I will use them. HPS lighting seems very expensive to use and they look heavy for me to handle. I think I have a much better idea now.

I have never been around marijuana plants before. How badly will 2 plants smell?
 

panhead

Well-Known Member
Power consumption isnt higher or lower with different types of lighting,hps costs the same as all other types,electricity is measured & calculated by watts,a 400 watt light will use 400 watts no matter what type.

Keep in mind if electric use is a concern in say an apartment where electric is included in rent & monitered by the office there are many things you can do to balance things out so the jump in electric use wont show up.

Dig this,i know for a fact that any person can start a fresh grow using 400 watts of light & another 400 watts misc to cover pumps,cooling fans ect & have the ability to keep energy use to where the added electric used will not make a larger bill,in many cases the overall bill can go down.

Turn refrigerator & freezer down a notch,cut air conditioner use by 10%,unplug all unused devices,any device that has a standby mode or power light like a red or blue led,put those on power strips & turn power strip off when not in use,computers use alot of electricity,dont shut down computer thinking its turned off ,shut down mode still uses alot of electricity,turn all computers completely off,change all light bulbs to the next lower size than currently used,even vanity lights for grooming mirrors.

Do the things i outlined & your bill will not jump drastically & might even go down.

Ok now about the lights,if your only going to grow 2 plants than the squigely cfl lights will work perfectly,a moderator on this site who goes by the name gardengnome is also known as "seemorebuds" & is a writer/film maker,he has a book called "buds 4 less" & its exactly what you need,it shows start to finish everything a new grower needs to have a successful cfl grow.

As for how much 2 plants will smell i'll give an example,when the plants get wet they smell stronger,when plants are moved or rustled around the smell is stronger,when the plants start budding the smell greatly increases every day.

By the last 2 weeks before you harvest the smell can be as strong as a skunk spraying outside the home,how strong the smell is depends on the type,all types smell strong enough where if total secrecy is needed than carbon filters & air deodorizers should be used at all times.

Go to a website called HTG.COM which is short for high tech garden supply & look at the different complete tent packages they have that have lighting,cooling,odor control ect all included,if you cant choose a model or are not sure then call their toll free number & ask for mark,he's been there for years & knows his shit about growing,its the cheapest you will get any equipment.

Dont get too discouraged,if your going to use mj your on the best track,buying from street dealers can be dangerous & you just never know if anything toxic or even deadly is in the product,growing properly is much safer & cost effective,you can do this safely just do not cut corners on odor control or lighting as they are the most important issues.
 

growone

Well-Known Member
on the smell issue, it varies widely
i do one plant grows, after about a dozen grows i've been comfortable with the odor level without odor control
but there are strains that will smell badly, even just 1 plant can be a problem
temperatures are actually your first line of defense, smelly grows are usually grows with high temps
to get low temps, you need good air circulation
 

Tyler123

Member
Ok. Thanks for all the help. This is what I am now building. A 20 inch deep, 60 inch high, 50 inch wide box/closet. It will be lined with reflective insulation. I have access to two 4 light T8 high bay lights. I also have a spare bathroom fan I was planning to use to ventilate. Should work?
 

growone

Well-Known Member
Ok. Thanks for all the help. This is what I am now building. A 20 inch deep, 60 inch high, 50 inch wide box/closet. It will be lined with reflective insulation. I have access to two 4 light T8 high bay lights. I also have a spare bathroom fan I was planning to use to ventilate. Should work?
i've built something similar, though haven't used it(still playing with cfl's)
sounds like you'll be doing some side lighting in addition to top lighting
might be a little low on the watts/intensity, but the technique can change results
 

Tyler123

Member
A friend of mine just offered a 400watt metal halide/high pressure sodium combo light. Would this be a better option. Would the bathroom fan at 80cfm cool this space enough?
 

growone

Well-Known Member
A friend of mine just offered a 400watt metal halide/high pressure sodium combo light. Would this be a better option. Would the bathroom fan at 80cfm cool this space enough?
it could, depends on some preferences
i like fluoro tech because it feels safer to me
the 400 watt hps is typically recommended for a 3 x 3 foot space
 
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