A first time grower in great need of some help!

TreeFarmerCharlie

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Bottled water is expensive, and a waste, unless your tap water is so bad that you can’t drink it. I used to use RO filtered water, got tired of all the waste that went down the drain, and haven’t noticed any difference since switching back to tap 2 grows ago.
 

McWeed24

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Don’t take this the wrong way but you might be doing too much. Sometimes the best thing we can do is nothing.
Not at all. As you might notice this is very new to me and its kind of a learning curve especially for now.. Im still a noob at detecting symptoms so I tend to react wrongly.

The soil on top dries but once I put my finger just a little deeper in the soil, its still slightly moist.

this was a line from your first post. If it’s moist it’s wet and not ready.
Im not even sure Im doing this correctly. How deep should you put your finger in? Is barely dry still not dry enough?
 

McWeed24

Member
Bottled water is expensive, and a waste, unless your tap water is so bad that you can’t drink it. I used to use RO filtered water, got tired of all the waste that went down the drain, and haven’t noticed any difference since switching back to tap 2 grows ago.
We don't drink tap water here so thats out of the question.. Its either RO filtered water, bottled water or the water collected with the dehumidifier
 

TreeFarmerCharlie

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While I don’t think relying on a moisture meter is good, I would suggest picking one up at a local store (they are about $10) and will give you an idea of how the soil will feel when it’s ready to be watered but not overly dry. All of us go through this at the beginning because it is so hard to describe how the soil should look and feel. Eventually you will just know when it’s time to water and will rarely have to stick a finger in to verify. A lot of people also go by the weight of the pot. They will be pretty light when they need to be watered.
 

McWeed24

Member
While I don’t think relying on a moisture meter is good, I would suggest picking one up at a local store (they are about $10) and will give you an idea of how the soil will feel when it’s ready to be watered but not overly dry. All of us go through this at the beginning because it is so hard to describe how the soil should look and feel. Eventually you will just know when it’s time to water and will rarely have to stick a finger in to verify. A lot of people also go by the weight of the pot. They will be pretty light when they need to be watered.
I will look into it and just buy one. For now I ll just leave it to dry out. Current conditions are 22.2°C with 51% humidity (dehumidifier on just outside tent) and with the light at approx 30cm height. Should I refrain from using any nutrients for now?
 

Wattzzup

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While I don’t think relying on a moisture meter is good, I would suggest picking one up at a local store (they are about $10) and will give you an idea of how the soil will feel when it’s ready to be watered but not overly dry. All of us go through this at the beginning because it is so hard to describe how the soil should look and feel. Eventually you will just know when it’s time to water and will rarely have to stick a finger in to verify. A lot of people also go by the weight of the pot. They will be pretty light when they need to be watered.
not sure it could be said any better

Its good to double check with. I use my probe IF I’m on the fence about it needing water. If it says wet and I’m not sure, then I leave it. Once you get used to it it’s easier.
 

McWeed24

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Thanks alot for you time and help guys! I wish I could just teleport you here, share a spliff and discuss in more detail :bigjoint:

I ll keep you updated with the progress

Much love x
 

TreeFarmerCharlie

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I will look into it and just buy one. For now I ll just leave it to dry out. Current conditions are 22.2°C with 51% humidity (dehumidifier on just outside tent) and with the light at approx 30cm height. Should I refrain from using any nutrients for now?
Just stay on your normal nutrient schedule and you should be fine.
 

CountryFriedPotHead

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I’ve done 24/0 i now do 20/4. I like sleep so I feel the plant does as well.
I can not attest to the actuality of this statement but I have read that if the plant isn’t getting at least 6 hours of dark to fully shut down and sleep 0 hours is more beneficial. But something I believe to certainly be true is the plants make co2 for themselves when in the darkness.
 

Jimdamick

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Plant 1 - Planted on 05/03
Plant 2 - Planted on 11/03

Phytolite NX2 300 Lights

  • Royal Jack Automatic
  • Northern Lights Automatic

  • 24hrs Light Schedule
  • 23 Degrees Celcius
  • 53% Humidity
  • 3 Gallon Pots
Plant A - Yellow tips especially the lower leaves.
Plant B - Bigger leaves pointing down

Not sure if the leaves feel too dry

The soil on top dries but once I put my finger just a little deeper in the soil, its still slightly moist.

I added a dehumidifier in the room outside of the tent.

I'm not sure Im watering correctly

Not feeding any nutrients for now but have the full Canna range

Any help is highly appreciated

Thanks
You have stem rot
If you remove the earth around the base of stem of the plant you will see what I'm talking about.
Sorry :(
 

Jimdamick

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Overwatering will cause leaves to drop down and the leaves will look more puffy and/or bumpy (for a lack of a better word) than usual. Under watering won’t cause leaves to get dry or crispy feeling except in really neglected cases. The first big sign of under watering is when the leaves look thin and hang straight down like wet rags. The top image in the picture below is what under watering will look like. This was a test I did when I wasn’t sure if I was dealing with too much or too little water. I let them completely dry out, until the plants looked the way they do in the top picture, and then I had a known starting point. The remaining pictures show the plant rehydration after one watering.
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All I can say is that your experiment stunted you plants growth pattern for a week & placed them in a shock attitude.
Now that you know, don't do it again for the plants sake.
 

McWeed24

Member
So, after ignorantly watering it 2 days in a row, I just left them to dry out and haven't watered them for 5 days now. I noticed that the pot reduced a substantial amount of weight but when I put my finger deep in the soil for 2 / 3 inches its still slightly moist. I removed the 2 leafs at the bottom of the older one which completely dried out and accidentally broke a leaf on the younger plant. Except for the slight yellowish parts and dried out tips, the older plant seems to be doing better. The younger one seems to still be struggling for some reason.. I'm considering to water them tomorrow but is not sure whether to leave it to dry out even more.

  • Should I use water only or add nutrients?
  • How much water should I use for a 3 gallon pot?
  • Should I use the nutrient schedule posted above? Canna Grow Guide
  • Is there any things I should keep in mind when watering?
  • Since 1 of my plants is a week older, should I still water them both with the same amount?
  • Should I change from 24/0 to 20/4? If yes, is it an issue if I do that at this point or should I do just leave them like this and adapt the different schedule on my next grow?
Plant A:
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Plant B:

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Hey Im looking into your post rn and I have to say that underwatering/overwatering isnt the only case a plant can look like that. You could also be using to much nutrients which leads to soil acidification thus killing your plants. If I where you I would water once every two days with pure filtered water no nutes added and turn the cycle to 18/6. Also check your heat and humidity. Depends what strain but generally plants dont like temps over 26 degrees C. Sorry if I said anything mentioned before just giving a summary.
 

McWeed24

Member
Hey Im looking into your post rn and I have to say that underwatering/overwatering isnt the only case a plant can look like that. You could also be using to much nutrients which leads to soil acidification thus killing your plants. If I where you I would water once every two days with pure filtered water no nutes added and turn the cycle to 18/6. Also check your heat and humidity. Depends what strain but generally plants dont like temps over 26 degrees C. Sorry if I said anything mentioned before just giving a summary.
I haven't given it any nutrients until now. When it comes to temperature, I was only struggling with not letting the temperature go too low (below 20 degrees C) and that happened when the light was switch off. The place is humid and temperature is quite low at the moment. Therefore decided to keep the light on all the time. Now I added a humidifier and I think I might manage to keep the light off..
 

McWeed24

Member
You have stem rot
If you remove the earth around the base of stem of the plant you will see what I'm talking about.
Sorry :(
Is it really that bad? Please refer to my most recent photos. I was over-watering it and had a slight humidity issue which should be sorted now..
 
Is it really that bad? Please refer to my most recent photos. I was over-watering it and had a slight humidity issue which should be sorted now..
The yellow tops are telling me that the pH is to high, just keep running your normal organic grow for now, if it keeps dying flush the soil and if that doesent help throw her out
 

McWeed24

Member
The yellow tops are telling me that the pH is to high, just keep running your normal organic grow for now, if it keeps dying flush the soil and if that doesent help throw her out
I'm planning to water it tomorrow. Correct me if I'm wrong but from my research I'm planning to water 3 litres of water each since I'm using 3 gallon / 11.5litre pots. Just ordered a pH meter from Amazon but for now I'm using bottled water since tap water is shit here..
 
I'm planning to water it tomorrow. Correct me if I'm wrong but from my research I'm planning to water 3 litres of water each since I'm using 3 gallon / 11.5litre pots. Just ordered a pH meter from Amazon but for now I'm using bottled water since tap water is shit here..
Nah mate that's a bit to much lol you may have 11.5 l pots but your plant is really small. I'm on the toilet so can't tell how much exactly but like 400 ml would be a safe bet I guess, just not 3 liters of water lol
 
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