ChChoda
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http://westillholdthesetruths.org/Mount-Vernon.aspx
The Mount Vernon Statement
Constitutional Conservatism: A Statement for the 21st Century
We recommit ourselves to the ideas of the American Founding.Through the Constitution, the Founders created an enduring framework of limited government based on the rule of law. They sought to secure national independence, provide for economic opportunity, establish true religious liberty and maintain a flourishing society of republican self-government.
These principles define us as a country and inspire us as a people. They are responsible for a prosperous, just nation unlike any other in the world. They are our highest achievements, serving not only as powerful beacons to all who strive for freedom and seek self-government, but as warnings to tyrants and despots everywhere.
Each one of these founding ideas is presently under sustained attack. In recent decades, America’s principles have been undermined and redefined in our culture, our universities and our politics. The selfevident truths of 1776 have been supplanted by the notion that no such truths exist. The federal government today ignores the limits of the Constitution, which is increasingly dismissed as obsolete and irrelevant.
Some insist that America must change, cast off the old and put on the new. But where would this lead — forward or backward, up or down? Isn’t this idea of change an empty promise or even a dangerous deception?
The change we urgently need, a change consistent with the American ideal, is not movement away from but toward our founding principles. At this important time, we need a restatement of Constitutional conservatism grounded in the priceless principle of ordered liberty articulated in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
The conservatism of the Declaration asserts self-evident truths based on the laws of nature and nature’s God. It defends life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It traces authority to the consent of the governed. It recognizes man’s self-interest but also his capacity for virtue.
The conservatism of the Constitution limits government’s powers but ensures that government performs its proper job effectively. It refines popular will through the filter of representation. It provides checks and balances through the several branches of government and a federal republic.
A Constitutional conservatism unites all conservatives through the natural fusion provided by American principles. It reminds economic conservatives that morality is essential to limited government, social conservatives that unlimited government is a threat to moral self-government, and national security conservatives that energetic but responsible government is the key to America’s safety and leadership role in the world.
A Constitutional conservatism based on first principles provides the framework for a consistent and meaningful policy agenda.
If we are to succeed in the critical political and policy battles ahead, we must be certain of our purpose.
We must begin by retaking and resolutely defending the high ground of America’s founding principles.
February 17, 2010
Conservatives from across America are signing their names to the Mount Vernon Statement.
Add your name today!
The Mount Vernon Statement
Constitutional Conservatism: A Statement for the 21st Century
We recommit ourselves to the ideas of the American Founding.Through the Constitution, the Founders created an enduring framework of limited government based on the rule of law. They sought to secure national independence, provide for economic opportunity, establish true religious liberty and maintain a flourishing society of republican self-government.
These principles define us as a country and inspire us as a people. They are responsible for a prosperous, just nation unlike any other in the world. They are our highest achievements, serving not only as powerful beacons to all who strive for freedom and seek self-government, but as warnings to tyrants and despots everywhere.
Each one of these founding ideas is presently under sustained attack. In recent decades, America’s principles have been undermined and redefined in our culture, our universities and our politics. The selfevident truths of 1776 have been supplanted by the notion that no such truths exist. The federal government today ignores the limits of the Constitution, which is increasingly dismissed as obsolete and irrelevant.
Some insist that America must change, cast off the old and put on the new. But where would this lead — forward or backward, up or down? Isn’t this idea of change an empty promise or even a dangerous deception?
The change we urgently need, a change consistent with the American ideal, is not movement away from but toward our founding principles. At this important time, we need a restatement of Constitutional conservatism grounded in the priceless principle of ordered liberty articulated in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
The conservatism of the Declaration asserts self-evident truths based on the laws of nature and nature’s God. It defends life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It traces authority to the consent of the governed. It recognizes man’s self-interest but also his capacity for virtue.
The conservatism of the Constitution limits government’s powers but ensures that government performs its proper job effectively. It refines popular will through the filter of representation. It provides checks and balances through the several branches of government and a federal republic.
A Constitutional conservatism unites all conservatives through the natural fusion provided by American principles. It reminds economic conservatives that morality is essential to limited government, social conservatives that unlimited government is a threat to moral self-government, and national security conservatives that energetic but responsible government is the key to America’s safety and leadership role in the world.
A Constitutional conservatism based on first principles provides the framework for a consistent and meaningful policy agenda.
- It applies the principle of limited government based on the rule of law to every proposal.
- It honors the central place of individual liberty in American politics and life.
- It encourages free enterprise, the individual entrepreneur, and economic reforms grounded in market solutions.
- It supports America’s national interest in advancing freedom and opposing tyranny in the world and prudently considers what we can and should do to that end.
- It informs conservatism’s firm defense of family, neighborhood, community, and faith.
If we are to succeed in the critical political and policy battles ahead, we must be certain of our purpose.
We must begin by retaking and resolutely defending the high ground of America’s founding principles.
February 17, 2010
Conservatives from across America are signing their names to the Mount Vernon Statement.
Add your name today!
CrackerJax
New Member
The Mount Vernon statement is the way forward for the country.
Unless you want to be like China & Russia.
Unless you want to be like China & Russia.
tinyTURTLE
Well-Known Member
the mount vernon statement is for people who beleive nebulous lies.
Sure Shot
Well-Known Member
The mount Vernon statement is mere shallow words.
There are no new ideas.
In fact, only reference to the past and fear of change.
If a species cannot change and or adapt, it will fail.
I simply adore how religious people mix up the first words of the constitution over and over again.
1st Amendment; "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,.."
So the reality is, our founding fathers wanted freedom FROM religion, not for it!
The only thing I see Conservatives trying to conserve, is their rung on the ladder of government.
There are no new ideas.
In fact, only reference to the past and fear of change.
If a species cannot change and or adapt, it will fail.
I simply adore how religious people mix up the first words of the constitution over and over again.
1st Amendment; "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,.."
So the reality is, our founding fathers wanted freedom FROM religion, not for it!
The only thing I see Conservatives trying to conserve, is their rung on the ladder of government.
undertheice
Well-Known Member
you should probably take a closer look at the history of the founding of this nation and all that led up to it. the concept is "freedom of religion", as in the absence of a state sponsored religion and restrictions on our society to keep it from persecuting faiths that may be seen as out of favor. the idea was to allow people to worship as they please, not to take religion out of the picture entirely.
tinyTURTLE
Well-Known Member
pure silliness.
there is no halfway secular.
allowing people to worship as they please is one thing, allowing religious beliefs to inform public policy is quite another; and in my opinion is completely unacceptable. in the same way that you can't have a state-sponsored religion, you also cannot have religion staining the aparatus of government. it automaticly engenders religious inequality.
ChChoda
Well-Known Member
George Washington, a "stain on the aparatus of government"...
http://gwpapers.virginia.edu/documents/inaugural/final.html
Washington's First Inaugural Address - Final Version
30 April 1789, New York
30 April 1789, New York
excerpt- second paragraph
Such being the impressions under which I have, in obedience to the public summons, repaired to the present station; it would be peculiarly improper to omit in this first official Act, my fervent supplications to that
Almighty Being who rules over the Universe, who presides in the Councils of Nations, and whose providential aids can supply every human defect, that his benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of
the People of the United States, a Government instituted by themselves for these essential purposes: and may enable every instrument employed in its administration, to execute with success, the functions allotted to
his charge. In tendering this homage to the Great Author of every public and private good, I assure myself that it expresses your sentiments not less than my own; nor those of my fellow-citizens at large, less than
either: No People can be bound to acknowledge and adore the invisible hand, which conducts the Affairs of men more than the People of the United States. Every step, by which they have advanced to the character of
an independent nation, seems to have been distinguished by some token of providential agency. And in the important revolution just accomplished in the system of their United Government, the tranquil deliberations,
and voluntary consent of so many distinct communities, from which the event has resulted, cannot be compared with the means by which most Governments have been established, without some return of pious
gratitude along with an humble anticipation of the future blessings which the past seem to presage. These reflections, arising out of the present crisis, have forced themselves too strongly on my mind to be
suppressed. You will join me I trust in thinking, that there are none under the influence of which, the proceedings of a new and free Government can more auspiciously commence.
tinyTURTLE
Well-Known Member
thank you for making my point.
ChChoda
Well-Known Member
Point?
It was about as sharp as a...
You keep settin em up. I'll keep knockin em down...
http://www.jdforsenate.com/
CrackerJax
New Member
The Mount Vernon statement is about getting back to the constitution. If you're against that.... feel free to leave.
Sure Shot
Well-Known Member
You make an interpretation for your own means.
I quoted the exact words. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,.."
Ever heard of Separation of Church and State ?
undertheice
Well-Known Member
this is precisely why i can't understand your consternation, i wasn't aware that government was even considering introducing legislation concerning religion. that is exactly what this phrase forbids. it doesn't forbid considering the moralities inherent in religion, it doesn't ban religious symbolism from being displayed and it doesn't prohibit the mention of god or religion by our representatives, elected or otherwise. in fact, those last two are actually protected by that same amendment as a matter of free speech. for years i have been embarrassed by my fellow atheists' demands for a god free zone in the arena of politics. they have taken a phrase meant to allow those of differing creeds to get along peaceably and blown it completely out of proportion. the first amendment was never meant to appease every malcontent and atheistic sob sister who gets his knickers in a twist at the mere mention of the term "god", it was merely a way to assure that there was no persecution of those whose faith differed from the majority and prohibit the state from instituting a "preferred religion".
undertheice
Well-Known Member
i guess i'll have to break this down for you.
that's all those men and women that sit in washington and decide how to spend our money.
this means that they can't force you to do or not do something under penalty of imprisonment or death.
that means concerning and has nothing to do with esteem.
that's where a bunch of people get together and decide that there's some grey haired guy sitting on a cloud or a flying spaghetti monster or something like that that's responsible for all the shit that goes on and that either cares or doesn't give a damn what you're up to.
there you have it, an idiot's guide to the first ten words of the first amendment. it essentially says that the government has no right to force you to believe or not believe in any fairytale you desire and that they can't penalize you for not thinking like they do. nothing about coddling thin skinned secularists or abolishing canonical icons from public view. all the hoopla over the occasional biblical reference or a cross hidden within an official seal amounts to little more than a bunch of self-important pricks picking nits for their own gratification. it almost makes me wish i were a religious person so i'd have a really good reason to bitch slap them.
tinyTURTLE
Well-Known Member
the mount vernon statement is ambiguous and fearful. It represent a desire to overthrow the US government. It makes zero specific claims other than 'the constitution is under attack'. i piss on the mount vernon statement.
ChChoda
Well-Known Member
http://westillholdthesetruths.org/Mount-Vernon.aspx
The Mount Vernon Statement
Constitutional Conservatism: A Statement for the 21st Century
We recommit ourselves to the ideas of the American Founding.Through the Constitution, the Founders created an enduring framework of limited government based on the rule of law. They sought to secure national independence, provide for economic opportunity, establish true religious liberty and maintain a flourishing society of republican self-government.
These principles define us as a country and inspire us as a people. They are responsible for a prosperous, just nation unlike any other in the world. They are our highest achievements, serving not only as powerful beacons to all who strive for freedom and seek self-government, but as warnings to tyrants and despots everywhere.
Each one of these founding ideas is presently under sustained attack. In recent decades, Americas principles have been undermined and redefined in our culture, our universities and our politics. The selfevident truths of 1776 have been supplanted by the notion that no such truths exist. The federal government today ignores the limits of the Constitution, which is increasingly dismissed as obsolete and irrelevant.
Some insist that America must change, cast off the old and put on the new. But where would this lead forward or backward, up or down? Isnt this idea of change an empty promise or even a dangerous deception?
The change we urgently need, a change consistent with the American ideal, is not movement away from but toward our founding principles. At this important time, we need a restatement of Constitutional conservatism grounded in the priceless principle of ordered liberty articulated in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
The conservatism of the Declaration asserts self-evident truths based on the laws of nature and natures God. It defends life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It traces authority to the consent of the governed. It recognizes mans self-interest but also his capacity for virtue.
The conservatism of the Constitution limits governments powers but ensures that government performs its proper job effectively. It refines popular will through the filter of representation. It provides checks and balances through the several branches of government and a federal republic.
A Constitutional conservatism unites all conservatives through the natural fusion provided by American principles. It reminds economic conservatives that morality is essential to limited government, social conservatives that unlimited government is a threat to moral self-government, and national security conservatives that energetic but responsible government is the key to Americas safety and leadership role in the world.
A Constitutional conservatism based on first principles provides the framework for a consistent and meaningful policy agenda.
If we are to succeed in the critical political and policy battles ahead, we must be certain of our purpose.
We must begin by retaking and resolutely defending the high ground of Americas founding principles.
February 17, 2010
Conservatives from across America are signing their names to the Mount Vernon Statement.
Add your name today!
The Mount Vernon Statement
Constitutional Conservatism: A Statement for the 21st Century
We recommit ourselves to the ideas of the American Founding.Through the Constitution, the Founders created an enduring framework of limited government based on the rule of law. They sought to secure national independence, provide for economic opportunity, establish true religious liberty and maintain a flourishing society of republican self-government.
These principles define us as a country and inspire us as a people. They are responsible for a prosperous, just nation unlike any other in the world. They are our highest achievements, serving not only as powerful beacons to all who strive for freedom and seek self-government, but as warnings to tyrants and despots everywhere.
Each one of these founding ideas is presently under sustained attack. In recent decades, Americas principles have been undermined and redefined in our culture, our universities and our politics. The selfevident truths of 1776 have been supplanted by the notion that no such truths exist. The federal government today ignores the limits of the Constitution, which is increasingly dismissed as obsolete and irrelevant.
Some insist that America must change, cast off the old and put on the new. But where would this lead forward or backward, up or down? Isnt this idea of change an empty promise or even a dangerous deception?
The change we urgently need, a change consistent with the American ideal, is not movement away from but toward our founding principles. At this important time, we need a restatement of Constitutional conservatism grounded in the priceless principle of ordered liberty articulated in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
The conservatism of the Declaration asserts self-evident truths based on the laws of nature and natures God. It defends life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It traces authority to the consent of the governed. It recognizes mans self-interest but also his capacity for virtue.
The conservatism of the Constitution limits governments powers but ensures that government performs its proper job effectively. It refines popular will through the filter of representation. It provides checks and balances through the several branches of government and a federal republic.
A Constitutional conservatism unites all conservatives through the natural fusion provided by American principles. It reminds economic conservatives that morality is essential to limited government, social conservatives that unlimited government is a threat to moral self-government, and national security conservatives that energetic but responsible government is the key to Americas safety and leadership role in the world.
A Constitutional conservatism based on first principles provides the framework for a consistent and meaningful policy agenda.
- It applies the principle of limited government based on the rule of law to every proposal.
- It honors the central place of individual liberty in American politics and life.
- It encourages free enterprise, the individual entrepreneur, and economic reforms grounded in market solutions.
- It supports Americas national interest in advancing freedom and opposing tyranny in the world and prudently considers what we can and should do to that end.
- It informs conservatisms firm defense of family, neighborhood, community, and faith.
If we are to succeed in the critical political and policy battles ahead, we must be certain of our purpose.
We must begin by retaking and resolutely defending the high ground of Americas founding principles.
February 17, 2010
Conservatives from across America are signing their names to the Mount Vernon Statement.
Add your name today!
CrackerJax
New Member
Yes, liberals have no appreciation for the vehicle which built their country to the pinnacle of the personal prosperity & freedom.
That would require common sense I suppose.
Let's follow inferior economic models instead ...
That would require common sense I suppose.
Let's follow inferior economic models instead ...
tinyTURTLE
Well-Known Member
y'all enjoy the short ride on this weak-ass bandwagon.Yes, liberals have no appreciation for the vehicle which built their country to the pinnacle of the personal prosperity & freedom.
That would require common sense I suppose.
Let's follow inferior economic models instead ...
jfgordon1
Well-Known Member
cough cough.... patriot act... cough cough
republicans have it all figured out
(i'm not a lib
)