AACT, Bloom Tea, Veg Tea, Fungal Tea, Myco Tea, recipes from the outdoor guys.

wilddog

wilddog

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OutofLEDCloset said:
Just saw video with Boogie Brew guy Josh. He recommends Vegan Mix from DTE top dressing and Boogie Brew. Thats it! KISS method. I just got my Boogie Brew this week. So far plants are dancing. The Pure Protein foliar stinks and wife hates but plants are praying. My closet grow is small so I just use tea at full strength.
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I used the protein foliar on a outdoor medical grow this season during veg with good results. I will do it again next year. (From Boogy Brew
 
greengoblin2014

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Ok so a few days ago I finished the book "teaming with microbes" and now understand how good compost teas are for the soil food web. I'm just curious of a few things and was hoping somebody here could help me out with their knowledge.. I see everybody has some very big and specific list of ingredients for their teas, after reading this book I see that the compost teas are much better with good compost preferably compost you've made yourself. Also they talk about soil being fungi or bacteria dominant or neutral. I'm interested in growing food and also learning more about growing hemp and cannabis. I know most veggies need a more bacteria dominant compost and longer plants like trees need a more fungi dominant compost. Also compost tea is either bacteria or fungi dominant. I was wondering what compost does cannabis prefer? I would guess bacteria dominant? Also like I said about the list of ingredients does that really matter? if you had a really good quality compost mixed in some organic molasses and some oatmeal to promote fungi and bubbled for 24 hrs would that be enough? Does cannabis need extra nutrients than food/veggies? Does the variety make a big difference? What if you had a fungi dominant compost and mixed it with a bacteria dominant fungi then made a tea with that? I'm thinking my best bet would be to make my own compost have some fungi dominant and some bacteria dominant, when growing veggies and cannabis use the bacteria dominant compost for tea, add comfrey and seaweed as they're easily available here, add some castings from my worm farm, add some molasses and some oatmeal then bubble it up..
 
natureboygrower

natureboygrower

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I am no expert,and there are some real pros on here,for sure.I am just learning and using my own teas as of this year.I do see a lot of people using a lot of ingredients and "bennies" in their teas but I'm too novice for that right now.I follow microbeman's formula.it is a very conservative mix,he claims less is more.I'm not saying other ingredients won't help,it was the k.i.s.s. method I liked.compost or ewc,blackstrapp molasses,fish fertilizer, liquid seaweed that's all I used.for the vegging phase of my plants I used a compost mix,but for flowering I switched over to worm castings(this was a rtu bucket with humus and bat guano as well)during flowering.from what I understand the fish fertilzer is what gave it the fungal properties. (Anybody feel free to jump in,like I said,they're way more knowledgeable people on here.)I had a whole line of organics I planned on using,but mainly used my teas and loved the results.I am very interested in this and the book I will be getting. Making your own worm castings and compost is the way to go,I would think it would be way more "live" than a bag/bucket mix.looking forward to others commenting.
 
wilddog

wilddog

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greengoblin2014 said:
Ok so a few days ago I finished the book "teaming with microbes" and now understand how good compost teas are for the soil food web. I'm just curious of a few things and was hoping somebody here could help me out with their knowledge.. I see everybody has some very big and specific list of ingredients for their teas, after reading this book I see that the compost teas are much better with good compost preferably compost you've made yourself. Also they talk about soil being fungi or bacteria dominant or neutral. I'm interested in growing food and also learning more about growing hemp and cannabis. I know most veggies need a more bacteria dominant compost and longer plants like trees need a more fungi dominant compost. Also compost tea is either bacteria or fungi dominant. I was wondering what compost does cannabis prefer? I would guess bacteria dominant? Also like I said about the list of ingredients does that really matter? if you had a really good quality compost mixed in some organic molasses and some oatmeal to promote fungi and bubbled for 24 hrs would that be enough? Does cannabis need extra nutrients than food/veggies? Does the variety make a big difference? What if you had a fungi dominant compost and mixed it with a bacteria dominant fungi then made a tea with that? I'm thinking my best bet would be to make my own compost have some fungi dominant and some bacteria dominant, when growing veggies and cannabis use the bacteria dominant compost for tea, add comfrey and seaweed as they're easily available here, add some castings from my worm farm, add some molasses and some oatmeal then bubble it up..
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Your asking a lot of questions here so, yes bacteria dominant, and yes it can be that simple like you said. Couple key things though one is you need lots of air, that's makes a big difference. If the water is to cold 45 - 55 degrees Fahrenheit at the end of your 24 hours you will not have as many microbes as you would at lets say 65 75 degrees Fahrenheit. 24 hours does seem to be a key time for the most bacteria. (Hours spent staring through a microscope) During the brew time I like to keep a 50 percent head space open, once again the air is very important. For me worm castings, and different compost , and molasses are always the main ingredient in any tea I make. I do believe you should start of with the KISS theology and you will learn more, and add more, experiment with different things to see what you like. What works for you might not work for someone else. I also use rain water when I can, it's soft water and is taken up buy the plant more efficiently.
 
natureboygrower

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wilddog said:
Your asking a lot of questions here so, yes bacteria dominant, and yes it can be that simple like you said. Couple key things though one is you need lots of air, that's makes a big difference. If the water is to cold 45 - 55 degrees Fahrenheit at the end of your 24 hours you will not have as many microbes as you would at lets say 65 75 degrees Fahrenheit. 24 hours does seem to be a key time for the most bacteria. (Hours spent staring through a microscope) During the brew time I like to keep a 50 percent head space open, once again the air is very important. For me worm castings, and different compost , and molasses are always the main ingredient in any tea I make. I do believe you should start of with the KISS theology and you will learn more, and add more, experiment with different things to see what you like. What works for you might not work for someone else. I also use rain water when I can, it's soft water and is taken up buy the plant more efficiently.
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Hey Dog,have you ever experimented with rock dust?I've read it may be useful preventing pm.I also know you may want to use it sparingly due to possible high metal content.also,I want to build a bigger brewer.I've seen vortex plans online but not much else.on the non vortex rigs,are diffusers mainly used or would pvc pipe with small holes drilled in it the way to go?
 
wilddog

wilddog

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natureboygrower said:
Hey Dog,have you ever experimented with rock dust?I've read it may be useful preventing pm.I also know you may want to use it sparingly due to possible high metal content.also,I want to build a bigger brewer.I've seen vortex plans online but not much else.on the non vortex rigs,are diffusers mainly used or would pvc pipe with small holes drilled in it the way to go?
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The honest truth is I've have been pumping 70 liters a minute through 5 diffusers one in the Tea bag which I prefer. But I noticed that even though I take good care of all the large stones by scrubbing with a brush, high pressure h2o, and even bleach they will still clog in a season of regular use. So that being said I would be interested to see how well the air would defuse from a PVC one compared to the 5 large 6in stones I use. I do use rock dust, but not in my teas. I have heard of guys using fine powdered Azomite dust in there tea, but not to much to give some surface area for the farious bacteria to cling to. I would like to go from 70lm to 120lm the more the better. The set up I have for my tea will actually do both, vortex and saturation. but the vortex that mine creates, I don't feel pulls in enough air so I use a industrial air pump. (You can buy them cheap) in 24 hours I can create bacteria colonies that looks like witches hair on the diffuser lines.
 
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wascaptain

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this is what I been using for the last couple of grows. I only use rain water . in the stocking is a half hand full of worn casting and fresh rabbit poop. usually in 12 hours it foams up nice. I cut it 80 percent rain water to 20 percent tea when watering. but remember I don't know crap, and only a hobby grower for my own use
 

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wilddog

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wascaptain said:
this is what I been using for the last couple of grows. I only use rain water . in the stocking is a half hand full of worn casting and fresh rabbit poop. usually in 12 hours it foams up nice. I cut it 80 percent rain water to 20 percent tea when watering. but remember I don't know crap, and only a hobby grower for my own use
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Rabbit poop has one of the highest organic N2 content you can get, great for the Veg cycle.
 
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organixx325

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Ok so this is my first real post on here. Ive been reading this thread for a lil bit just looking at different recipes. Ive been growing for about a year now so im still new and im really wondering what other growers think of my soil/teas.

Soil mix:
100 gal of happy frog potting soil
15 pounds of EWC (half bag)
6.5 tspn of tm-7
Half solo cup of insect frass
Half solo cup of neptunes harvest crab shell

Teas: im using right now(need to buy more ingredients to make ither teas)
Molasses
Ewc
1 oz of general organics bio weed

Tea #2: (ive used this in the past)
Molasses
EWC
1oz Foxfarm big blossom
1oz Ohrstrom's liquid seaweed

I add 4 gal of to these tea mixes and have a pump that pumps air into the bucket and i let it brew for about 3 days. I then PH it and apply it evenly throughout about 12 plants.

If anyone has any advice or ingredients that i should add to my mixes or even a recipe that i should try, your input is welcome.
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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organixx325 said:
Ok so this is my first real post on here. Ive been reading this thread for a lil bit just looking at different recipes. Ive been growing for about a year now so im still new and im really wondering what other growers think of my soil/teas.

Soil mix:
100 gal of happy frog potting soil
15 pounds of EWC (half bag)
6.5 tspn of tm-7
Half solo cup of insect frass
Half solo cup of neptunes harvest crab shell

Teas: im using right now(need to buy more ingredients to make ither teas)
Molasses
Ewc
1 oz of general organics bio weed

Tea #2: (ive used this in the past)
Molasses
EWC
1oz Foxfarm big blossom
1oz Ohrstrom's liquid seaweed

I add 4 gal of to these tea mixes and have a pump that pumps air into the bucket and i let it brew for about 3 days. I then PH it and apply it evenly throughout about 12 plants.

If anyone has any advice or ingredients that i should add to my mixes or even a recipe that i should try, your input is welcome.
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the big blossom fox farm is a counter productive ingredient. though it says organic, its probably hurting your micro life. i don't know about the other bottled nutes that are being used. i'd have to look them up. have you thought about making your own living soil? its really simple to do, and you only need to add water once you get your microlife populations high in the soil.
 
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organixx325

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Well my soil does have microbes already thats what the tm7 provides in the soil mix i also recycle my soil every harvest i just add the ammendments again. I think im gonna try a new soil recipe and tea recipe once i do a lil more research on here.
 
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organixx325

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ShLUbY said:
the big blossom fox farm is a counter productive ingredient. though it says organic, its probably hurting your micro life. i don't know about the other bottled nutes that are being used. i'd have to look them up. have you thought about making your own living soil? its really simple to do, and you only need to add water once you get your microlife populations high in the soil.
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If you have a recipe in mind id like to hear it.
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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ShLUbY said:
Recipe:

33% highest quality compost you can get your hands on, 33% drainage (pumice, rice hulls, lava rock, whatever you want to use), 33% sphagnum peat moss

amendments per cu. ft. of the above mix (cuft = 7.5 gallons)

1/2cup neem/karanja seed meal
1/2cup crab shell/meal
1/2cup kelp meal
1/2cup oyster shell flour
1/4cup alfalfa meal (optional)
3-4 cups of rock dust (using a variety of different dusts is good)

other optional amendments are
soft rock phosphate @ 1/2cup
gypsum @ 1/2cup (if compost is not of highest quality)
organic fish bone meal @ 1/2cup

mix all together and water in with a compost tea (earth worm castings + unsulfured molasses bubbled for 24-48 hrs) and keep it moist for 4-5 weeks before you plant into it.

this can be a no till recipe and is for many, or you can break each pot down after harvest and REUSE the soil by amending it with the same things you used to amend the first time, just at 1/4 or less of the strength, rewater with compost tea, and keep moist for a few weeks before planting into it.
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organixx325

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Thank you! I will deffinately look into that and try to get a batch of new stuff cooking for my next cycle.

Also for tea only EWC and molasses is really all you need?
 
Dr.D81

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organixx325 said:
Thank you! I will deffinately look into that and try to get a batch of new stuff cooking for my next cycle.

Also for tea only EWC and molasses is really all you need?
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In veg i use blood meal, alfalfa, molasses, and ewc. I brew for three days and add fish poo after i brew.
 
natureboygrower

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Is it necessary to ph your tea?I figured that was counterproductive. I thought teas corrected soil imbalances? Also,might that kill bennies?
 
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