About Dr sulak & Maine Intregrative Healthcare First hand???
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freelife04239
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A combination Of the both. He charges that and he charges it because he know he has the market, justt like the oil tycoons. Hows it any different than what they do with price gouging? IF HE HAD REAL BALLS HE WOULD GIVE IT OUT TO PEOPLE THAT NEED IT AT AN AFFORDABLE PRICE. ITS GREAD LIKE THE REST OF THE WORLD. LIKE GUYS THAT CHARGE 300 OR MORE PER OZ THEY ARE RIP OFFS. Now after all that I would go see him and sell out my morals because I am left with no choice . The choice is take it or leave it and to feel productive and funcchoice I have no choice.
Maine Brookies
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Colorado's dispensaries are much more regulated than ours (i understand that all employees at a dispensary must have fingerprints and recent photos on file with whoever regulates medical cannabis - basically pre-booking you) and are now seeing cease-and-desist orders. From the reading i have done about this, the federal attorney has wide latitude in deciding how to proceed. DoJ's official position is that prosecution of patients in compliance with the law is not the best use of resources but still defers to the local prosecutor when action is taken.
Long story short; it's all up to the US Attorney appointed for your state - and expect that to change if we elect a Republican in November.
Not necessarily. Not exactly equivalent but refusing to pick up this case indicates that a majority of the court feels (properly) that the Second Amendment is not trumped by drug laws.
http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2012/01/supreme_court_oregon_marijuana_patients_can_keep_t.php
cerberus
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true! but cali is a democratic state and their DA is doing this? he is being preassured by the feds, that if they don't start cracking down the feds will come in on their own and be much more brutish about it (if thats possible).. Cali is/was opening giant warehouse grows becasue of their lax regulations and the feds are growing tired of it.
great read. i am skeptical to interprit the inaction of the supreme court as favorable for me.. :/ i think the courts are just passing untill this thing comes to a head in congress wich is inevitable at this point, congress makes the laws..
great read. i am skeptical to interprit the inaction of the supreme court as favorable for me.. :/ i think the courts are just passing untill this thing comes to a head in congress wich is inevitable at this point, congress makes the laws..
Maine Brookies
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I tend to believe that drug laws will remain unchanged until juries begin to refuse to convict regardless of evidence. Jury nullification ftw.
cerberus
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lol when/if that starts happening your right there is no way the laws could stay the same and it looks like you nad me see legislator the same way, stagnent and usually unwilling to change course. I don't see any incentive for an elected offical to be for changing laws (although they may say it) and i only see loss revenue for certain .gov departments (and your private prison complexes and lawyer lobbys) if they do legalize it.. Its a bad spot.
to the original point, we live in a free market society. and although i certainly don't believe in price gouging (my prices are between 225 and 250 for an oz of meds) prices are reflective of what the market can bare. a 300$ first time visit/patient registration is pretty nromal. For that fee and visit to also include the Rx is pretty gracious. most DR's I have talked to said they would not even think of recomending MMJ to someone that havent seen for over a year, if at all. His follow up visits fall to 100-150 a visit and can include message and other alternative options, again kinda a deal.
as for the 300 an oz, i would not call that robery either, again I would say thats a pretty fair price as long as it's top shelf meds. BUT not long ago in this state 350 was the going price on the street for a zip and i saw 50 eights that had no breaks.. You live in a place where prices seem cheap. whats gas like there?
to the original point, we live in a free market society. and although i certainly don't believe in price gouging (my prices are between 225 and 250 for an oz of meds) prices are reflective of what the market can bare. a 300$ first time visit/patient registration is pretty nromal. For that fee and visit to also include the Rx is pretty gracious. most DR's I have talked to said they would not even think of recomending MMJ to someone that havent seen for over a year, if at all. His follow up visits fall to 100-150 a visit and can include message and other alternative options, again kinda a deal.
as for the 300 an oz, i would not call that robery either, again I would say thats a pretty fair price as long as it's top shelf meds. BUT not long ago in this state 350 was the going price on the street for a zip and i saw 50 eights that had no breaks.. You live in a place where prices seem cheap. whats gas like there?
freelife04239
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I was under the impression that a care provider is a nonprofit type of position. I don’t know about you but if I’m a care provider for someone, all I’m looking for is to have my electric bill played, my plant food paid for and to get my meds for free minus my labor. I can tell you I despise greed. Everywhere you look someone wants to put their hand in your pocket, if it was up to me I would cut all those hands off. The law says "Receive reasonable monetary compensation for costs associated with cultivating marijuana for a patient who designated the primary caregiver to cultivate marijuana” This is not what market can bare. Now if you do the math and it cost you 250-300 and oz. then I guess you hit the price on the nose. Me I pride myself on trying to get the best grow at the best price. The funny thing is I have my math figured out for one plant that will provide 3 OZ and the one plant is costing me less than 300.00. I don’t grow one plant at a time so I split up the cost of electricity, food, and soil. So that mean if I have a person to provide for I would sell them an oz. at 175-200. And I will still have made money. It all comes down to making money and greed. I understand that times are hard and people want to get the most out of what they have, but if you’re doing it at other people’s expense then you are part of the problem. That’s just my opinion and I’m sure some peoples might be different and that’s the wonderful thing about our life, we all think different and who really knows which way is right its just live and learn
cerberus
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I am sure their are patients reading this that will be pm'ing you today. If you can sell AAA grade med's for 175$ /oz, I tip my hat to you sir.
freelife04239
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Well I’m not sure if I have ever even had AAA grade or not. I know what I have grown for myself work as well if not better than any 300.00 stuff I had received. I know that I’m still learning on the taste part but that will come with time. Also growing for myself might not cost the same. I’m sure I would need lots of upgrades to meet standards for care provider. I know I am not at AAA GRADE yet. That will be a life time search I think.
I have found that if you have a good Strain and use soil it is really easy to get high quality, at low cost and little work. The trick is learning not to overdo things; well that’s been my problem. Just let them grow. A pinch to grow on and let the plant tell you what it wants, also remember soil is alive it need food and water just like u and me lol.
I have found that if you have a good Strain and use soil it is really easy to get high quality, at low cost and little work. The trick is learning not to overdo things; well that’s been my problem. Just let them grow. A pinch to grow on and let the plant tell you what it wants, also remember soil is alive it need food and water just like u and me lol.
freelife04239
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I only care for myself at this time and am still learning. My product is way better than any mersh I have ever seen. It will only get better. I have no real set plans to become a care giver at this time. I would gladly sell one oz. for 175 off of a plant that gives me 3 oz. Just to pay my expenses for growing it. The selling is all hypothetical and no I will not really sell any because that is against the law so NO PMS lol
I think a care provider position should be looked at as a Non-profit organization. Prices should be based on cost recovery: lights, grow materials, electricity, and maintenance. MOST small grow set ups should/can pay for them self in the first 3 harvest, if you have successful grows I would think. Even at 175 per oz. and only 3oz per plant that’s 9oz, 6 oz. you could keep for yourself in various stages of drying lol. That would be 525.00 at 175 for 3 oz. I could charge 250 according to some people but that would be 750.00 and I Know for 100% that it would not cost 750.00 to do a grow like I’m talking about in an established grow set up. So Now I would have 525.00 to put right back in to next grow, and I would have 6 oz. in various stages of possessing to hold me over until my next grow. To charge that extra 75.00 per oz., I would feel greedy and I think this would make me a sellout. I just have a hard time understanding the prices I kept hearing from around places.
I really hope no one take any offence to what I’m saying. I’m sure there is more hidden cost behind being a care provider than I know of, like tax and all. . I just like the banter it’s fun please let me know if I offend any of you and I will deliver any apology’s that are in order
I think a care provider position should be looked at as a Non-profit organization. Prices should be based on cost recovery: lights, grow materials, electricity, and maintenance. MOST small grow set ups should/can pay for them self in the first 3 harvest, if you have successful grows I would think. Even at 175 per oz. and only 3oz per plant that’s 9oz, 6 oz. you could keep for yourself in various stages of drying lol. That would be 525.00 at 175 for 3 oz. I could charge 250 according to some people but that would be 750.00 and I Know for 100% that it would not cost 750.00 to do a grow like I’m talking about in an established grow set up. So Now I would have 525.00 to put right back in to next grow, and I would have 6 oz. in various stages of possessing to hold me over until my next grow. To charge that extra 75.00 per oz., I would feel greedy and I think this would make me a sellout. I just have a hard time understanding the prices I kept hearing from around places.
I really hope no one take any offence to what I’m saying. I’m sure there is more hidden cost behind being a care provider than I know of, like tax and all. . I just like the banter it’s fun please let me know if I offend any of you and I will deliver any apology’s that are in order
cerberus
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the costs increase when you take on a caregiver role. you can't just sell whats left over, you have to have the meds when they need them. I am sure you understood that, i'm just moving down a path. You also have to have some sort of rotating stock since most people grow tolerances to strains. This brings in to forms of expense 1st veg rooms seperate and expaned for your stable 2nd seed purchases. A new genetic line into your process means you need to be able to run your current operation and germ, raise, veg, clone, flower, and then decide which pheno is your keeper, this is another cost of course, more lights, more fans, and of course more elec.
If your a paid caregiver then your a proffesional and (again I'm sure this isn't new) then you should act like a proffesional, which means hours and hours of reading; the internet forums, grow books, health forums. more time for your schedule. You need a proper drying space, which requires fans and a dehue. you need proper cure which is labor, I haven't figured if labor is something that you add into your balance ledger..
then there is your basic infa, do you own your grow site? do you pay rent or morgage? if morgage then you pay insurance and tax's, of course the grow is part of that, since it takes up square feet of that..
hmm what did I miss? i mean besides the basics, light bulbs every grow, nutrients everygrow, medium.. HELL! how long your flowers go? I know dudes that run 14 weekers, with a 3-4 week veg your looking at 18 weeks of elec costs, nute costs, yada yada the point is I missed a lot.. :/
My partner says i shouldn't make these statements, "let them learn the hard way, its the best school" but my heads soft from a long day and good vodka. I say that as a poor segway to say this, you got good intentions, I feel that, but your not doing the math right. Top shelve meds arent just love and good intentions brotha, its time and money, both have a cost.. time usually more than money.. and knowledge don't forget knowledge.. and most self made millinionaires made it from knowledge based industry, knowledge is super super pricey.. :/
If your a paid caregiver then your a proffesional and (again I'm sure this isn't new) then you should act like a proffesional, which means hours and hours of reading; the internet forums, grow books, health forums. more time for your schedule. You need a proper drying space, which requires fans and a dehue. you need proper cure which is labor, I haven't figured if labor is something that you add into your balance ledger..
then there is your basic infa, do you own your grow site? do you pay rent or morgage? if morgage then you pay insurance and tax's, of course the grow is part of that, since it takes up square feet of that..
hmm what did I miss? i mean besides the basics, light bulbs every grow, nutrients everygrow, medium.. HELL! how long your flowers go? I know dudes that run 14 weekers, with a 3-4 week veg your looking at 18 weeks of elec costs, nute costs, yada yada the point is I missed a lot.. :/
My partner says i shouldn't make these statements, "let them learn the hard way, its the best school" but my heads soft from a long day and good vodka. I say that as a poor segway to say this, you got good intentions, I feel that, but your not doing the math right. Top shelve meds arent just love and good intentions brotha, its time and money, both have a cost.. time usually more than money.. and knowledge don't forget knowledge.. and most self made millinionaires made it from knowledge based industry, knowledge is super super pricey.. :/
freelife04239
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True I have my ideal little world in my medecated head lol
freelife04239
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I think one day I need my grow graded by a more experienced grower. Just to see how far off from AAA grade I am.
I think my dinafem super silver should be some top shelf, but like I said I don’t have a true base line to judge from. It still has at least 6 weeks till harvest.
I think my dinafem super silver should be some top shelf, but like I said I don’t have a true base line to judge from. It still has at least 6 weeks till harvest.
freelife04239
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I understand that but this has been my baby!!!! I put lots of time and love in to this one using everything I have learned from my past grows. I love to just sit and look at it for hours lol but I do that with them all any way lol. I also know of one person around me that I just met in person out of coincidence. It’s really fun to meet forum members when you don’t expect it. They can decide if they want to admit to crossing paths lol
Maine Brookies
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"I was under the impression that a care provider is a nonprofit type of position."
If the Legislature wanted caregivers to be nonprofit the law would require that caregivers need to be a 501(c) corporation. The law has no such condition so i have to say that, in my opinion, your impression is off base.
This is still a crime under federal law. If you can afford a lawyer at $175/oz more power to ya but i think it's unreasonable to project what should be reasonable to someone else.
If the Legislature wanted caregivers to be nonprofit the law would require that caregivers need to be a 501(c) corporation. The law has no such condition so i have to say that, in my opinion, your impression is off base.
This is still a crime under federal law. If you can afford a lawyer at $175/oz more power to ya but i think it's unreasonable to project what should be reasonable to someone else.