cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
How do you know she was mentally ill?
And not all gun owners and collectors are gun nuts. You seem to want to demonize what you hate. cn
Adam Lanza's mother
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And not all gun owners and collectors are gun nuts. You seem to want to demonize what you hate. cn
Every gun belongs to someone. You realize this? If I steal your gun and shoot someone with it, it is not your fault no matter how much you try to say it is. I will fight to uphold that principal
st0wandgrow
Well-Known Member
OK, there is no mention what so ever that those guns, on that day were locked in the vault. Just friends speculating that she wouldn't leave them out. Did you happen to read the first link you posted?? It paints a picture of a mother that KNEW her son was very disturbed and "slipping away". As a responsible adult I would never give ANY mentally disturbed person access to my guns ..... family or not.
I will wait until the criminal investigation is done, and they release their findings. If it turns out that the guns were locked up, and that her son stole the key, or otherwise broke in to the safe then I will look at this a little differently. I still feel that having guns around a mentally sick person that is showing disturbing signs is careless. By all accounts she sounded like a great person. Perhaps she is only guilty of being a naive parent.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Yes, but at the same time "proper care" needs to be defined. Arguing that because a determined individual could eventually access the guns ... proves that the guns were irresponsibly secured is circular. You seem to want to equate responsible with failsafe. There is nothing failsafe in the world in which we live.
Can you accept the possibility that she DID store her guns responsibly and that her son could have gotten to them anyway? This wasn't an instance of the guns just laying around, conveniently accessible. cn
No assault weapons were used, a semi automatic rifle is not an assault weapon. Assault weapons are capable of full automatic fire. She had nothing like that in her massive stockpile of horded weapons, all three of them.
The proof of her using a gun vault is the existence of a gun vault and her enthusiasm for the respected and responsible handling of guns. What possible evidence do you have that she just had guns and ammo just laying about?
She isn't guilty of anything, stop watching the news, they got you all wound up.
st0wandgrow
Well-Known Member
The bodies weren't even cold yet and all the gun advocates could talk about was the impending "ban on guns".
Besides, I was replying to your butt-buddy that suggested that all "liberals are rude, and have no respect for others". Where is your outrage with that nonsense?
st0wandgrow
Well-Known Member
No matter how careless I am with that gun?
Canna Sylvan
Well-Known Member
I'm not the one who thinks guns are alive. I care deeply for kids. Guns are what help protect them. More guns, not less, would've prevented this. Think. Adam Lanza shot himself once the cops got there with guns like he had. Why do you think he chose a school with little kids? He's a pussy who did this in a wonderfully safe, for him, gun free zone! Problem is, criminals become the only one with a gun when you make it gun free. Who would've thought! Your solution is saying I'm the problem because I don't want to give up mine. The fuck?
racerboy71
bud bootlegger
my honest question is why do i see all of these threads mentioning this scum fucks name at all?? yes, i'm sure we all know it already, but why give this piece of shit the space on any board or website??
why not just address him as the pos child killer, and let us try and forget his name and instead remember one of the names of the victims instead of this asshole??
carry on..
why not just address him as the pos child killer, and let us try and forget his name and instead remember one of the names of the victims instead of this asshole??
carry on..
st0wandgrow
Well-Known Member
You make a valid point, and I have touched on that distinction already. I just feel that there should be *some* onus on a gun owner to take reasonable steps to secure their guns. Expecting that a gun be broken down and locked in 3 separate bunkers throughout the house would be unreasonable, and would defeat the purpose of having guns in the house to begin with. However, if someone carelessly leaves a gun laying around, and that gun is then used to kill another human, I feel that the gun owner should share some of the blame.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I understand that. But unless I'm committing a gaffe of logic, your first post and the whole thread seems predicated upon the mother having been negligent. A zero-failure-tolerance policy is not practical or honest ... it tends to be a camouflaged demand for a ban. Jmo. cn
st0wandgrow
Well-Known Member
I never said that you're the problem. I support your right to own guns. But does that right come with any responsibilities? We live in a country where a bar can be found criminally negligent if it over-serves a customer, and that person then gets in his car and kills someone due to being intoxicated. How is it such a stretch to look at a shooting and assign some blame to the person that allowed their weapons to be used to carry out the murder?
No matter how careless? Are you assuming that Ms Lanza loaded the weapons and a bunch of extra magazines and placed them under the pillow of her son's bed with a note attached saying that it was show and tell day at the local kindergarten?
She had a gun vault, her sister attests to seeing it, we have multiple witnesses attesting to the fact that she was an extremely responsible gun owner, plus witnesses who explained that the son was meticulous about safety and care of the guns. Yet your knee-jerk reaction is that she MUST have just had them laying around full loaded, doors unlocked with a neon sign at the freeway that said "loaded and locked guns free to whomever wants them, enter by front door."
Is being drunk one of your enumerated civil rights?
What evidence do you have that she gave permission for the guns to be used in the manner they were? You said it now please put up at least something to give your argument at least a tint of credibility.
st0wandgrow
Well-Known Member
Why can't there ever be a dialogue in this country about common sense measures that can be taken concerning gun ownership without people automatically assuming a gun ban? It's like this boogey monster that doesn't even exist, only in the minds of gun owners.
I support the right to bear arms even if I choose not to exercise that right. The VAST majority of Americans support that right. I don't think a conversation about the limitations of that right is unreasonable, or out of line.
st0wandgrow
Well-Known Member
So because something is a civil right, it excuses you from exercising that right in a responsible, legal manor?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Of course not. But I reserve the inalienable right to define "reasonable" and to a lesser extent "legal", for myself. cn
st0wandgrow
Well-Known Member
Freedom of religion is one of my civil rights, but that doesn't grant me permission to harm others in the name of my religion.
olylifter420
Well-Known Member
Man that the dumbest shit ever. Its like if your dad murdered someone and offed himself so the remaining family is at fault. Fucking stupid
Or americans should be blamed as well for all the innocent deaths in iraq and the middle east
stupid radio show just fear mongering
Or americans should be blamed as well for all the innocent deaths in iraq and the middle east
stupid radio show just fear mongering