Add water only soil recipes please

Fast dog

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I'm sick of adding nutes every week and ph'ing etc it's really getting on my nerves I want to go totally organic, and no one mention subs recipe I'm not interested I just want a simple water only soil recipe with as few ingredients as possible, please post quantitys aswell I'm in the uk so only post things I can get hold of.

Thanks

Fast
 

vostok

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Sick of adding nutes weekly?

Just wait until you start adding half a ton of fresh pig shit to the back of your 2 day old SUV

just wait until half way thru your grow you realized the survey was off by 30 degrees

and now you have to realign 30 x 300 usgallon wraps/plants by 22 feet each ...lol

Look to the oldies in your 'hood to guide you ..always a soil maker sumplace

good luck
 

Michael Huntherz

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I don't know what you can get hold of, mate! I'm in the USA.

Here's what I'm doing. All organic and tap water.

I'm using Espoma Organic "*-Tone" products, except the perlite, but it is all OMRI listed.

Black Gold Natural And Organic, 2 cu. ft. (12 Gallons)
I add about 3 gallons of chunky perlite.
1.5 Cups Plant-Tone
1.5 Cups Garden-Tone
2 Cups Holly-Tone
1/2 Cup Bone Meal
1/2 Cup Blood Meal
1 Cup Horticultural (Dolomite) Lime

If the base mix is dry I add a gallon or two of water so it is moist, but not wet.

Stir every few days and cook for at least a month, preferably 6 weeks.
I don't plant seeds or cuts directly into it.
It seems to work.

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greasemonkeymann

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I'm sick of adding nutes every week and ph'ing etc it's really getting on my nerves I want to go totally organic, and no one mention subs recipe I'm not interested I just want a simple water only soil recipe with as few ingredients as possible, please post quantitys aswell I'm in the uk so only post things I can get hold of.

Thanks

Fast
if you can source rabbit manure, and kelp meal, that's all you need. Nutrients wise.
then add either peat, coco and aeration.
easy
OR even easier, buy a big ass thing of promix, add compost, add rabbit manure.
 

Phatlewtz

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No one else ?
there are a million ways to skin a cat....go to a farm store all ingredients are EXTREMELY cheap compared to amazon/ebay, personally I recycle soil because I'm "frugal" and i can't exactly throw my dirt in the garbage where I live :spew:

Base (Seeds & Clones)

1/3 Peat (9 dollar bale at lowes/home depot OR you can get nearly 5x the amount per pound at farm/feed store)
1/3 Perlite (no miracle grow junk, a giant bag of chunky horticulture grade costs 22 bux at dro store OR bulk at farm/feed)
1/3 Earthworm Castings numerous options here really, honestly your own worm bin is the best, Farm/Feed stores don't always have)
1 cup dolomite lime per 7.5 gallons
My batches are done in 7.5/15/30 gallons at a time, depends on what I need, I'll use 7 1/2 gallons as my base for easy math for all (especially me)

The above core materials can be bought in bulk from most garden stores and even Craigslist

To that add 2 cups of Kelp, 1 cup of alfalfa and 2 cups of Diatomaceous Earth....was my original mix and worked well enough starting out...its evolved to recycled now and this is what I add to my base

Nutritional Amendments (2 cups per 7.5g)

2 parts kelp
1 part neem seed meal
1 part diatomaceous earth
1 part Greedsand
1 part Organic Fert
1 part alfalfa meal
1 part crab shell

To this I add 2 Cups of Kelp meal and 1 cup of organic fert

and last but not least, 4 cups of glacial rock dust per 7.5gal

I also use Unsulphered Black Strap Molasses (1tbsp per gal of water) with every watering...kicks out some funk for me. Lately i've been making my soil a little lighter by adding more perlite, increases my watering schedule, a slight carry over from coco...the plants have been loving it...lil more work but it seems i will be rewarded..

before you even jump into water only soils, make sure you know whats in your tap water, if its just cholorine cool, 24 hours sitting out OR a handfull of EWC/Organic material and some airstones will knock it out in minutes...chloramine is another beast that will kill all the microbial life in your soil.. I personally don't have that problem in my water as of yet, but I believe fish stores sell stuff to remove it easily....also ALWAYS PH YOUR WATER a 7 dollar dropper and test tube is all you need to get it within range. READ READ READ before you even start homie...there are 4 things I always have...Dynagrow Protekt (most concentrated on market I believe) Calimagic, MicrobeLIFT and white distilled vinegar for ph'ing...once you get in the swing of things its pretty easy...i might know 1 or 2 things that can help you along the way if you got ?'s..take care and smoke up brother!
 

Phatlewtz

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i know farm stores sell powdered black strap molasses, personally i've never used it, but they sell the giant jugs of liquid for next to nothing...by sourcing or having on hand (worm bin/compost) I probably have less than 30 cents a gallon invested in my dirt, its all about having an end goal in mind....i've ran lots of strains through this, not necessarily a lot of breeders tho...its fairly simple to tailor your dirt to your specific needs..
 

Phatlewtz

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Breer Rabbit is the brand of Unsulp. Blackstrap that I use...it also contains Calcium and Magnesium which when i grow under LEDs my plants become calmag whores
 

DonBrennon

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there are a million ways to skin a cat....go to a farm store all ingredients are EXTREMELY cheap compared to amazon/ebay, personally I recycle soil because I'm "frugal" and i can't exactly throw my dirt in the garbage where I live :spew:

Base (Seeds & Clones)

1/3 Peat (9 dollar bale at lowes/home depot OR you can get nearly 5x the amount per pound at farm/feed store)
1/3 Perlite (no miracle grow junk, a giant bag of chunky horticulture grade costs 22 bux at dro store OR bulk at farm/feed)
1/3 Earthworm Castings numerous options here really, honestly your own worm bin is the best, Farm/Feed stores don't always have)
1 cup dolomite lime per 7.5 gallons
My batches are done in 7.5/15/30 gallons at a time, depends on what I need, I'll use 7 1/2 gallons as my base for easy math for all (especially me)

The above core materials can be bought in bulk from most garden stores and even Craigslist

To that add 2 cups of Kelp, 1 cup of alfalfa and 2 cups of Diatomaceous Earth....was my original mix and worked well enough starting out...its evolved to recycled now and this is what I add to my base

Nutritional Amendments (2 cups per 7.5g)

2 parts kelp
1 part neem seed meal
1 part diatomaceous earth
1 part Greedsand
1 part Organic Fert
1 part alfalfa meal
1 part crab shell

To this I add 2 Cups of Kelp meal and 1 cup of organic fert

and last but not least, 4 cups of glacial rock dust per 7.5gal

I also use Unsulphered Black Strap Molasses (1tbsp per gal of water) with every watering...kicks out some funk for me. Lately i've been making my soil a little lighter by adding more perlite, increases my watering schedule, a slight carry over from coco...the plants have been loving it...lil more work but it seems i will be rewarded..

before you even jump into water only soils, make sure you know whats in your tap water, if its just cholorine cool, 24 hours sitting out OR a handfull of EWC/Organic material and some airstones will knock it out in minutes...chloramine is another beast that will kill all the microbial life in your soil.. I personally don't have that problem in my water as of yet, but I believe fish stores sell stuff to remove it easily....also ALWAYS PH YOUR WATER a 7 dollar dropper and test tube is all you need to get it within range. READ READ READ before you even start homie...there are 4 things I always have...Dynagrow Protekt (most concentrated on market I believe) Calimagic, MicrobeLIFT and white distilled vinegar for ph'ing...once you get in the swing of things its pretty easy...i might know 1 or 2 things that can help you along the way if you got ?'s..take care and smoke up brother!
Some sound advice there bro.......but.......the chlorine and chloramine point is a bit of stoner science/myth. I'd agree that if you're making an aact, you wanna try and get rid of both(even this may be un-necessary though), but for just watering your plants, the levels that these chems are used at WILL NOT harm your beneficial soil life.



There was another youtube video I've watched, but I can't find it now

Although these chemicals(I personally think fluoride is the one to really worry about) are added to our water, it is still full of beneficial bacteria actually thriving, so can using it to water our plants really kill our microbes? I'd doubt it. My parents have always watered their organic gardens with water straight out of the hose for as long as I can remember and they're always stunning and full of life.

https://www.rt.com/news/326254-good-bacteria-water-pipes/
 

Fast dog

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I'm in the uk so it would have to be things that are available to me I can get most amendments however pro mix and ffof etc I can't get and earth worm castings look to be scarce and I live in the middle of a city there are no farm shops anywhere ha
 

Fast dog

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Would this work from start to finish ?

- 1 bag of plant magic plus soil
- 1 bag of plagron batmix
- 1 cup of dolomite lime
- 1 cup of blood meal
- 1 cup of bone meal
- 20-30% chunky perlite

This is really simple and I can get all these ingredients.
 

greasemonkeymann

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Would this work from start to finish ?

- 1 bag of plant magic plus soil
- 1 bag of plagron batmix
- 1 cup of dolomite lime
- 1 cup of blood meal
- 1 cup of bone meal
- 20-30% chunky perlite

This is really simple and I can get all these ingredients.
don't know, I don't use those, so it's hard to say, i'd say no because the water solubility of the nutrients
 

DonBrennon

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Sick of adding nutes weekly?

Just wait until you start adding half a ton of fresh pig shit to the back of your 2 day old SUV

just wait until half way thru your grow you realized the survey was off by 30 degrees

and now you have to realign 30 x 300 usgallon wraps/plants by 22 feet each ...lol

Look to the oldies in your 'hood to guide you ..always a soil maker sumplace

good luck
Hahaha.............ouch.......... that sounds like a lot of hard, smelly work and defo not good for a brand new SUV, or does that stand for Shit Utility Vehicle, pmsl
 

DonBrennon

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Sick of adding nutes weekly?

Just wait until you start adding half a ton of fresh pig shit to the back of your 2 day old SUV

just wait until half way thru your grow you realized the survey was off by 30 degrees

and now you have to realign 30 x 300 usgallon wraps/plants by 22 feet each ...lol

Look to the oldies in your 'hood to guide you ..always a soil maker sumplace

good luck
It'll all be worth it come harvest time LOL
 

DonBrennon

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I'm in the uk so it would have to be things that are available to me I can get most amendments however pro mix and ffof etc I can't get and earth worm castings look to be scarce and I live in the middle of a city there are no farm shops anywhere ha
Sorry bro, I missed this post earlier, but here's some of the best links you'll find for growing organically in the UK

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Organic-Worm-Cast-Worm-Humus-Castings-40litre-Bag-/261413660729?hash=item3cdd77e839:g:FUwAAOSwy-5XMhBH

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Organic-fertilizer-Chitin-super-soil-1-2-kg-better-than-crab-meal-grow-/301944638888?hash=item464d4d8da8:g:THcAAOSwnTJXApVe

For Neem, Kelp, Biochar and natural predators
http://www.thenaturalgardener.co.uk/index.php

I mainly use these for gypsum, but they've got all kinds of organic goodies
http://www.organiccatalogue.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=gypsum&search_in_description=0&sb=t&x=0&y=0

For rock dust, go to B&Q

For peat moss, your local garden centre would be best..................and ask them if they've got any straight compost, without any additions, it's often already bulked up with peat and fertilisers and if you can find an actual recipe for any of them anywhere, you're by far a better man than me.
 
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