Advanced Autoflower Training, tips, secrets

tekdc911

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if i get the camera just right the deep red catch lol
when i have them both going the other is mixed spec whites blue's red's uv ir
it get kinda crazy some of it will be super red then normal then hyper white / blue
its just how the camera catches wish i had a good one the one on my phone is better then the digi i have
 

Jeffdogg

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Didn't put anything in here that went into PH intimately yet. This is a good piece, its from Big Mike at advanced nutrients.

Talk to any experienced grower and they will tell you that one of the most important features of their grow is the ability to control pH. pH (which, as most people are unaware, stands for "potential Hydrogen") is of paramount importance to any hydroponic grow operation because it affects the way that nutrients are absorbed into your plants. Many growers have long had an adversarial relationship with their nutrient solution's pH, but recent advances in nutrient technologies have made pH much more easily balanced within the nutrient reservoir, without the need of buffer solutions like pH up (an alkaline solution) or pH down (an acidic solution). Here is the lowdown on pH, how it affects your plants, and how you can keep it in that "sweet spot" that plants love.
Why pH Matters:
All green-leaved plants can survive just fine with a pH between 4.0 and 7.0. Basically, because the plants are made of relatively weak acids, they enjoy an environment that is also on the acidic side. However, when you are growing hydroponically, the nutrient solution that you provide to them is their life force, and nutrients will not be absorbed properly without the solution composed of the correct pH.

While the optimum pH for plant uptake may vary from one mineral to another, experts have determined that the optimum range for most of them is between 5.5 and 5.8, though many growers will argue that anything up to the 6.2 range is perfectly fine.
Minerals like Manganese (Mn), Copper (Cu), Zinc (Zn), and the especially critical Iron (Fe) have reduced absorption rates at a higher pH, while Phosphorus (P), Potassium (K), Calcium (Ca), and Magnesium (Mg) have issues being absorbed at a lower rate. This doesn't mean that no nutrients are absorbed at higher or lower pH levels, but why waste valuable nutrients because your roots essentially don't know that they are there?
Controlling pH
There are a variety of tricks to keep your pH balanced. Firstly, for God's sake, make sure you have a meter, and a good one. My advice to growers is that nutrients, meters, and lights are not the places to save money. Spend some dough on a great tri-meter (pH, ppm, and temperature), and you will have the best chance of knowing what is happening in your reservoir.
Also, invest in some simple aerators to keep the nutrient solution in your reservoir constantly circulating; this will add oxygen to your solution (which makes roots happy) and make sure that all of your nutrients are evenly distributed. Aerators are inexpensive and can be purchased anywhere from hydro stores to pet stores, and even Target or Wal-Mart, though we recommend showing love to your local hydro store, where you can pick up the latest copy of Rosebud Magazine while you're at it.
To keep pH within that optimum range, growers have traditionally had to rely on buffer solutions, like pH up and down. While relatively inexpensive and incredibly effective, these buffers add unnecessary particulates to your reservoir, often causing your ppm meter to register a higher number than it would if it were only measuring your nutes (like it should). They are also extremely caustic and (as one grower and Rosebud reader whom I know can attest) burn like hell when they come in contact with skin, especially both at once.

One trick of the trade that is lesser known and less commonly used (though can be effective if you know what you are doing) is to add excess levels of Phosphorus (P) to your reservoir. Because of the way that it interacts with the other nutes, it will work to keep your pH at an optimum level (for a while). The downside of this technique is that as you use the nutrient solution in your reservoir to water your plants, and it recycles back into the reservoir in a never-ending cycle, your plants will uptake not only the nutrients that you mixed for them, they will absorb that extra Phosphorus as well. So, when using this technique, the efficiency drops as you water your plants – nothing will be as accurate as a brand-new, freshly mixed reservoir.
Changing the Game
While the info here will allow you to have a successful grow and harvest (providing you do everything else correctly), it takes time, effort, and constant monitoring to keep pH at an acceptable level to your plants. Your little green buddies will absorb nutrients at different levels during different parts of their lifespan (veg vs. flowering), so your pH will be constantly changing, and not always in the same direction. It takes a dedicated grower (or an automated system) to stay on top of this.
 

technical dan

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I mix dry kelp(algalmin or something) into my soil mixes but I have not finished any of those plants nor have I used a liquid concentrate of it. Yep leds spit out some crazy colors ..... when my tent is unzipped this shows up on my floor IMAG0380.jpg. The camera didnt capture it real well but the reflective material on the inside of the tent reflects and separates the light making a led rainbow


edit: shitty pic the lines are much darker colors and are much brighter than that pic shows
 
would there be anything wrong with putting my girls in 5 gal buckets to grow? I will drill drain holes and everything, and it looks like my area is going to be 58" x 46",with mylar on all surfaces. Is this too big for my 600w hps/mh? I can supplement with one or maybe even two 125w cfls on either side of the room. What do uou think?
 

Jeffdogg

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Nothing at all wrong with 5 gallon buckets, as long as they are CLEAN!!! Yeah make sure drainage is adequate and a tip either put like a 1 inch layer of perlite on the bottom of bucket's or newspaper (i prefer perlite and you will prob have some left over anyway if you use it). That way the drain holes dont get clogged, you dont want that...Really... :-P
 

Jeffdogg

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I feel like i'm the only one who cares to contribute on this thread :sad:, thats ok ill keep going for the love of knowledge and to help others :blsmoke:

Hardening off

What is Hardening off? Hardening off is when you take your baby seedlings and bring them outdoors a couple hours a day before planting/potting them outside. This helps them acclimate to the new environment (especially the radiant heat from the sun), it makes it an easier transition for them as well as a preventive measure to avoid the sun from burning them.
 
Okay sounds good! what do you think about my grow area size? I did find another 70w hps today, so that brings me to 670w total and i can add cfls if needed.

I will definitely be asking you for your help in the very near future, i appreciate your contributions!


Also what do uou think of my auto strain selection, NL Auto and Skunk #1 auto, both from Sensi seeds. worth growing? I'm hoping for a zip off each one, that would be wonderful for me!!
 

Jeffdogg

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Never tried any Sensi Seeds but always heard good thiings. They have been around longer then i'd say 85% of the breeders today. When it comes down to it its if you feel it has the qualities you want. Some may sound cool, like one time i ordered "Ice Cream" from Paradise seeds. AT first it was great but the novelty flavor got old very quick. You have to do research, type the strain in google with "review" at the end see what you can dig up about it. If you take the time to research and actually think about what traits you would like from your plant then your money will be well invested. I'll recommend some companies for you to check out for the future, but sensi is a fine company as I said. There are a lot of "novelty" breeders (paradise seeds isn't one but the strain kinda is ya know?) out there that can make a mediocre strain sound like the cats meow. Maybe they really believe they have something? Who knows, but check these guys out too, will list in no specific order. If anybody else wishes to contribute go ahead and i'll round them up every few days and add to the weekly round up.

Barney's coffee shop (IMO his genetics are like the "fine dining" of strains. Derry's genetics are of fine quality for sure.)
Dutch Passion (These guys been around for a while, very well known)
DNA Genetics (a little pricy not to sure about their auto's, but their photo strains are top notch)
Dina Fem (Always heard good things and more old school breeders)
World of seeds (Afghan Kush Ryder!!, Good breeders dont think they have been around too long)
Big Buddha Seeds (The fucking cheese, this dude has some killer strains. Blue Cheese is lovely)

CBD crew (Excellant breeders world reknown, new and gonna give info. You'll see why sadly no Auto's yet)
CBD Crew Seeds is a collaboration between Jorge Cervantes, Shantibaba from Mr Nice Seeds and also Jamie from Resin Seeds. This new collaboration has one focus in particular and it is one that will further the medicinal opportunities for the cannabis plant! The focus of CBD Crew seeds is to produce cannabis strains that have an equal ratio of THC to CBD. CBD Crew strains typically have 5%-6% THC and the same amount of CBD. The CBD Cannabinoid is one which is thought to have medicinal benefits with some suggesting that it is great for preventing cancer, dealing with pain and also as an anti-inflammatory medication. It has also been reported that this cannabinoid helps significantly with illnesses such as anxiety. The truth is that although we know from the testimonials of medical users what this cannabinoid is capable of, until proper research is done, we will never know the complete medicinal value that this cannabinoid represents. So far its medical application seems extremely versatile. The fantastic new seed bank CBD Crew Seeds are setting the standard for future THC/CBD cannabinoid balanced cannabis seed breeders.
 

WattSaver

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would there be anything wrong with putting my girls in 5 gal buckets to grow? I will drill drain holes and everything, and it looks like my area is going to be 58" x 46",with mylar on all surfaces. Is this too big for my 600w hps/mh? I can supplement with one or maybe even two 125w cfls on either side of the room. What do uou think?
Okay I'll put in my 2 cents. I've tried 5 gal buckets in soil, and passive hydro & I have found no advantage over a 3.5 gal bucket. I've grown 100's of regulars, and have found that a final container that is taller than wide doesn't work any better than a container of equal height and width, for root spread, and from what I've read autos are even more horizontal in root growth than regulars. What I've done for my hempy's is either buy or find 3.5gal buckets or just cut off 5 gal buckets a little below the rings such that the height is just a little more than the diameter. If you look at all the larger smart pots (5, 10, or 20 gal) you will notice that they are wider than tall, same with the larger air pots. So when looking for a good container (larger) to grow in keep the height, width ratio equal or leaning towards width.

As far as light I've always worked with a square area, and most hoods are constructed this way, but a 600 will cover a 5' square area no problem. I don't believe you'll need any supplemental cfl's.
 
thanks for all the suggestions guys, I really appreciate it.

A little back ground info... i have been a greenhouse grower for the past five years, and due to circumstances out of my control, I have had to move everything inside, so this is my first real indoor grow. I chose the autos to try to get my set up dialed in before I do my normal photo periods. now I know I'm not going to read his anywhere near the yield as my greenhouse photos, but i am beginning to second think my decision. are they worth growing? potency wise?

I have used sensi before with grwat results, as well as Dutch passion, they ate some of the originals, and i loved my last NL #5 grow, so I thought it'd be a great auto. I'm just curious as to if the ruderalis in the NL is going to kill the potency. Will it be better than the normal beasters that has flooded everywhere? Just have doing all this work if it won't be worth it in the end ya know?
 
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