Advanced Growing Techniques? Really?

Just out of curiosity, when did LST, Topping and cloning become advanced growing techniques???

In my opinion these are the very basics of growing, they're nowhere near advanced techniques.

Who else considers these basic techniques, and who can tell me what they consider an advanced technique?

Cheers.

heres an advanced grow technique id like to try and ask if anyone has any experience with. I want to double switch ballasts on 12/12 cycles to two seperate chambers. IE: 2 lights in one chamber run off the ballast in the morning, and 2 lights in another chamber run during the night. Thus 2 ballasts can bud 4 lights worth. The key is a switching device i have yet to locate. Any suggestions/ comments? I even saw this before several places... so the idea is sound.. utilize ballasts 2x!

See now that would be useful! ... I wonder if you could just hook up some sort of double adapter and have them on separate timers so only one runs at a time (per ballast) ... Hmm sounds like it could start a fire hahaha. Can you get double adapters with the right kind of plug? Or is that the sort of switching device you have not yet located? I've not seen them about ... I'm not a fan of wiring my own ballasts or using bare exposed ballasts, but that could be something to look into?

i agree, lst fimming tying and topping are a joke, yet very effective, i guess they can be considered advanced if you go crazy enough with them? oh well who cares who labels what what, its cool but i agree its the very basics of botany , fuck with a plant and it will heal itself to fix your fucking with, in lamest terms

If you're a newb (ya know, the people this site is made for) then topping, LST and cloning are advanced ideas.

JJgrands said:

heres an advanced grow technique id like to try and ask if anyone has any experience with. I want to double switch ballasts on 12/12 cycles to two seperate chambers. IE: 2 lights in one chamber run off the ballast in the morning, and 2 lights in another chamber run during the night. Thus 2 ballasts can bud 4 lights worth. The key is a switching device i have yet to locate. Any suggestions/ comments? I even saw this before several places... so the idea is sound.. utilize ballasts 2x!

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these are called flips. some call them flip flops, whatever. they are very useful when running multiple rooms/ballasts.

Oh yea, I've heard of flip flops... Never seen them at the grow shop by me tho

If you're a newb (ya know, the people this site is made for) then topping, LST and cloning are advanced ideas.

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This site isn't made just for newbs ... It's made fore everyone to share their ideas, wisdom and grows. If there were no experienced growers here, all the newbs wouldn't learn shit, and I have seen a lot of newbs sharing bad advice with other newbs, a downward spiral if you ask me.
Even when I very first started with growing (and horticulture) I never ever considered topping or cloning (taking cuttings) and advanced technique by any stretch of the imagination ... LST and pruning could be classed as a moderately difficult technique if you get into it enough and go a bit crazy. But they're not advanced techniques, maybe if you combine 2-3, even 4 methods of beginner or moderate techniques, you could consider it advanced, but if you go read a book on plant botany you'll see how complex it can really be, should you want it to be, it comes with experience too.

All the people Iv seen severely fuck up their plants by LSTing and chopping the bits off the poor things...Your into advanced growing the second you start doing something else then watering and fertilizing.

Edit: And please tell me, what is an advanced technique for growing mentioned in a botany group but not general practice among weed growers?

Well, probably the most common advanced growing technique that's not general practice amongst weed growers, would have to be the 'Autumn Colour Effect' or the 'ACE' technique, as I like to call it. This is where the Nitrogen is cut off from a flowering plant in mid to late flowering (depending on phenotype) so that the plant extracts all the remaining Nitrogen from it's leaves and puts it into the bud, this hugely reduces chlorophyll level in the plants leaves and buds by the time the plant is finished [which aids with good tasting, good burning weed] (cannabis, being an annual, does not require Nitrogen for the final leg of flowering, having to take it up, process it and motabilize it, hinders it's ability to put all its strength into the flowering process.
To use the Autumn Colour Effect (ACE) to its full potential, you have to really know the pheno you're growing (having grown clones of it multiple times) so you know how long it takes to finish, what it likes/dislikes, what it can or can't handle etc.
This is a common technique amongst elite growers (not the elite on this site that pay for that status, the true elite, like those who showed me it - and I was sus at first but they proved its benefits too me with out too much difficulty ... Mind you a 10,000 Watt grow is very impressive to any grower when they're reasonably new to the scene.

Too do the ACE technique properly you have to grow Soiless or Hydro, or any other system where you have control over which nutrients the plants do or don't receive at which time during the grow.

3 weeks away from harvest (previous grow):

I let my plants yellow out during flower, I grant you a ton of difference between a gradual depletion and a complete cut off, but the picture reminds me of some of my buds, heres a cola.



Im just stoned and saying its all relative. Would the results of the plants gradually eating all the nitro in the soil approximate in any way the effect you described? These are like 4 weeks pure water in fox farm 5 gal buckets.

That's called flushing, and it is a similar effect, if you flush properly and long enough they'll turn completely yellow, flushing gets rid of all other nutrients too, were as removing N from your feeding schedule, you can keep pumping them with P, K and trace elements, especially if you use organic ferts (because you don't need to flush with organics, you can feed right up till the end of flowering [minus the N] - although the subject of flushing is subject to much debate, I am on the side of believing you only need to flush chemical ferts).

Some more ACE:

compliments Ty-Styk
The effects of flushing:

GreenphoeniX said:

Just out of curiosity, when did LST, Topping and cloning become advanced growing techniques???

In my opinion these are the very basics of growing, they're nowhere near advanced techniques.

Who else considers these basic techniques, and who can tell me what they consider an advanced technique?

Cheers.

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Any technique is basic to an experienced grower, an advanced technique is any thing you have never done and is relatively difficult to 'master'...stress 'master' not just do! Grafting for breeding is quite an advanced technique if you have never done it.

If you read later posts I did day that even when I very first started growing, I still didn't consider these things advanced techniques.

The mastering thing is definitely a good point!

And grafting for breeding is a good example of an advanced technique... Lets not get into an argument about the pros and cons of that hahaha.

Cheers for you input mate.

Whoa GreenPheon! Didn't know the ACE technique was concidered an Advanced Technique. All it is is depleting Nitrogen. WHOA! Advanced, Advanced, Advanced!!! What to do! Don't go talking down on people about LST and then come at us with this B.S. This technique isn't even a technique, everyone does it, some later than others, but we all do it! I learned to do that before I ever even heard of LST. It's not rocket science like u make it out to be. The earlier you do it the smoke will be smoother and burn better, but you lose out on protiens that help add to bud weight, so give up something to get something.

I think you're talking about standard flushing CustomHydro.
As I have said, it's different.

Let's see you do this technique on your first run with a plant, get it timed perfectly, you can't because you have to know the pheno (phenotype) you're working with to do it! If you time it well, you don't lose the proteins the plant needs to add weight, because it uses them from it's leaves, and if you time it right when it runs out of proteins, it should be bang on time to harvest anyway.

Any strain/pheno can be trained at pretty much any time during its life, whether you know the strain/pheno or not, same with topping. It doesn't require any skill or knowledge of the pheno to do it, you just have to have the skill to use some scissors or a knife to top and add some string in for LST, which in my book doesn't make it an advanced skill or technique. (I do use both techniques myself, and all are useful and have their place).

If ACE or even just flushing is so common around here, why are 90% of the plants I see still green at harvest? Plants should not be green at harvest, they may be light limy green at harvest if its your first run with that pheno and you haven't got it dialed in yet, but they shouldn't be solid green.

*As the two pictures at the top of this page show, there's quite a difference between the effects of poorly timed flushing and ACE, which is a form of flushing really, but more 'advanced' than standard flushing
And if it's an 'advanced' form of flushing, then doesn't that make it an advanced technique? ... If not we can lump it into the 'know your pheno well, mid-skill technique'

So to you ACE is not an advanced technique, that's fine by me, do you consider LST, topping and cloning advanced techniques? If not, please tell us what is an advanced technique to you?
Cause this thread is all about learning what the advanced techniques are and aren't really. It's always interesting, always argued, but most importantly, there's always something to learn!

Know one has to agree with me hahaha, that's their loss, but if your plants are green at harvest, then you've nowhere near seen their full potential. A tiny little lesson for all.

Come on guys and girls, post your pics of your plants at harvest time ... I want to see some Autumn Colours baby!

Some more nice Autumn Colours for all:

You can always learn something from someone else. Know one old guy south of here that throws a handful of triple 13 out once a week and a gallon of water every two days. To him advanced would be changing the nutes up at flower. To me, it would be just about anything that I haven't done, which is a long list indeed.

Ah, I like the way you put that Trashed. Nice.

Is this the special olympics here? no matter who wins, your still retarted?
Ok, so I have a quesiton. when you "Flush" your Hydro System, would you EVER want to use a CarbLoad in the Ph'd 6.0 Water? Wondering if this would help the buds absorb more nutes and burn off the chemicals. Thanks guys

What about plant tissue culture,
Get rid of your mothers, open more space to flower.
http://www.apsnet.org/Education/K-12PlantPathways/TeachersGuide/Activities/PlantBiotechnology/pdfs/Activity5.pdf