Advanced Nutients

homebrewer said:

That may be why AN users aren't seeing salt build-ups. Because we all know when a plant uses a nutrient from a chemical "salt" molecule supplied in a nutrient solution, it is actually using only one part of that molecule. The remaining part of that molecule generally stays in the hydroponic system and eventually can reach damaging levels of concentrations when not flushed or changed out. This process, which often happens in traditional agriculture where heavy fertilizer concentrations are applied to soil crops, is referred to as salt-build up.

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When a plant uses a nutrient from a chemical "salt" molecule supplied in a nutrient solution, it is actually using only one part of that molecule. The remaining part of that molecule generally stays in the hydroponic system and eventually can reach damaging levels of concentration.
This process, which often happens in traditional agriculture where heavy fertilizer concentrations are applied to soil crops, is referred to as salt-build up. By testing our nutrient solution daily. we can monitor the salt levels. If the salt levels are rising. the concentration will be higher and therefore our EC reading will be higher. In our hydroponic system, it is quite easy to resolve the problems associated with salt build-up by flushing the growing medium or replacing our nutrient solution with a fresh mix.
In the soil, once salt concentrations reach toxic levels, it is difficult to correct and often makes what was once excellent farm soil unusable. The problem is exacerbated by the salts being washed and flushed into our waterways, rivers and streams where they are also toxic to fish, birds and other wildlife.

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homebrewer said:

Actually, my cut and past came from here - http://hydroponics-fine.blogspot.com/2007/02/salt-build-ups.html

But now we have two sources saying the same thing, which is always good to see.

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medicalmary said:

As soon as UB gets back to me i'll post report of unselected batch tested. Until then, who wants to know every AN "secret" recipe? I do, I do...
Should of put all the ingredients on the label, right?

http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_metal/hitlist.lasso

they need to list them in oregon, wa and cali to name a few. My favorite is that their organic line is not certified with any of the testing agencies. Having first hand experience with oregon TILTH tells me why they didn't go through the process. For one, it is timely 2) expensive 3) they make you jump through hoops. I'm only reporting what the gov has registered.

mm

here is "organics" in actual name link

http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_metal/detail.lasso?-op=eq&product_id=6633

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homebrewer said:

I just called GH and asked them a few questions about salt build-ups and nute lockout. A lot of 3 part systems require you to mix in a certain order, otherwise you see bonds form and minerals will accumulate on the bottom of a res or a premixed jar. The guy I spoke with on the phone said that bonds form only in super concentrated mixtures, not necessarily in your res. So mixing them in your res in a particular order isn't entirely necessary since you're diluting with res water. But if you're premixing your nutes without dilution, you'll see some bonding going on such as sulpher with calcium. This is the reason why some companies even offer a 2 part grow or a 2 part bloom system. You just can't put all those minerals in the same bottle at those concentrations and not get bonding.

I then asked about salt build-ups in the res and on pumps. He explained the salt build up in the same way you see salt build up on rocks at any ocean coast line. A concentrated salt/mineral solution like the ocean, or your res, or tap water, will leave a residue on the surfaces that it comes in contact with. He explained that this will happen over time and it's just the nature of the beast. I specifically asked if chelates had anything to do with what I was asking about and he said no.

So the salt-build up you see around the lids of your nutes ( I see it around some of my Botanicare bottles and my GH gro and Bloom bottles) or in your reservoirs over time isn't indicative of nutrient quality, nor does it mean there are bonds forming and the plant isn't getting what it needs. This is just what happens when you're dealing with solutions with a high concentration of salts and minerals. If anything, you should be happy to see the build up as that is proof there is actually something in those colorful liquids that we feed out plants.

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medicalmary said:

Gotta go with homebrew on this one. If AN is such the shiznit, then why can't they create a simply a & b formula with the little micro nutrients? Why do they need to sell you all the boosters and little supplements and not roll those into their basic line. It doesn't make any sense. Also, phosphorus boosters in container gardening, please.

mm

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Rydub said:

The AN connissour part a/b is the best 2 part on the market in my opinion. i use the bud ignitor for weeks 1 and 2, big bud for weeks 2 through 5, then go with overdrive for weeks 6 and 7. i use bud candy throughout the grow for carbos (great stuff). i flush for 1.5 weeks at the end with straight water only. I almost never see a leaf get deficant and yellow at the end of flower.

AN just makes good stable nutreints, im sure GN and other products do a great job as well. But i will stick with AN for sure.

And belive it or not AN is the underdog in the nutreint world. Maybe the big boys are scared that AN might be on the right track.

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medicalmary said:

AN was like so last week. I like basically switch it up every watering. It keeps my plants guessing.

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homebrewer said:

Would someone post some pics of some product grown with AN so it can shut guys like me up? For all the money, marketing and hype, you'd think there would be some extraordinary photos floating around here, lets see 'em.

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FryingPanFlyer said:

Here you go bro, I grew these with Advanced nutes, I used the Sensi A&B, Big Bud and Liquid Carbo Load. My max ppm throughout the grow was 950, much of the time less. This bud weighed 9.25 ounces wet and it cured to 2.625 oz.

That's a two liter bottle on the chair next to the bud. I've got many more pics if you'd like to see them.

Sorry I'm so late with the post!

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OZUT said:

You sure you dried them all the way? Your dry weight is 28% of your wet weight which is pretty high....Still a good looking bud but I'm just saying. Only losing 72% water weight is not that much

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FryingPanFlyer said:

Here you go bro, I grew these with Advanced nutes, I used the Sensi A&B, Big Bud and Liquid Carbo Load. My max ppm throughout the grow was 950, much of the time less. This bud weighed 9.25 ounces wet and it cured to 2.625 oz.

That's a two liter bottle on the chair next to the bud. I've got many more pics if you'd like to see them.

Sorry I'm so late with the post!

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homebrewer said:

Thanks for the pics, but I think skunk touched on my point; that you could do that spending less on nutes. I was also hoping for some incredible results and while your plants look fine, they fall short of 'above average'.

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FryingPanFlyer said:

Fall short of above average! I would like to see some pics of the "above average" buds you would like to see. Do you have any pics or are you just blowing smoke. You ask for proof and you blow it off when you see it. This is why I rarely waste my time with people like you.

Your arrogance is not offensive.

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