Yodaweed
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Magic in a bottle, same thing all these companies sell. THIS WILL BOOST YIELDS 500% (says that on bunch of their bottles and website) can you say marketing gimmicks and straight up lies?
Advanced Nutrients B-52. Is it worth the price?
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Carolina Dream'n
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Every single one of those lines uses synthetics. If it isn't 100% grown organically, it's not organic.
Those same bottles can be replace with simple nutrient, Seed start or compost teas. Which will be much better and the same cost if not much cheaper.
Alfalfa and kelp meal is a great nutrient tea.
Corn SST to kick of the Krebs cycle in flower(enzymes)
Simple EWC and molasses for compost tea.
The only bottle an organic grower should have is that molasses.
Yodaweed
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Amen brother, I love the molasses I use some for growing my weed then a little when cooking food , tastes great!
Molasses should only be used once in awhile in organic growing. And needs to be unsulphered blackstrap only. Molasses has very high magnesium content and other trace minerals and carbs. Yes it helps provide sugars for bacteria but too much can cause problems and also will promote and attract insects and bug problems. Plants cant uptake sugars they all need to be broken down and converted. People find cane sugars work much better for carbs and since Molasses has a very high mag content using too much of it will give you problems with potassium uptake and calcium.
The Only time I use molasses is a small amount when the soil is cooking/composting and not again until the middle/final few weeks of bloom, which I cut out prior to the final week or so. If you run molasses all way til the end the magnesium will cause burning issues in the final product and will also leave a bad taste in your flowers. The reason is that the sugars and carbs are broken down into energy but the high content of mag in molasses get pushed through your plant and stores the mag in your flowers which causes a shitty taste in the buds.
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Thats not the at all. Chitin or chitosan can be foliar sprayed, it doesnt need to be broken down at all. Growers have been using insect frass for years out in Nor Cal to mimic bug infestations, this is the exact same ingredient caused by frass. Once the plants absorb chitin/chitosan they will naturally respond by increasing essential oil production and resins to guard plant against attack.
I already told them this earlier they dont listen they all think anything in a bottle or from a company is a shill and is snake oil they are all lost causes man. Dont bother arguing about AN or any nutrients for cannabis or products unless it is dynagro or jacks they will argue tooth and nail. These guys think synthetic nutrients are how to grow.
I wouls rather use organic non-salt based bottled nutrients any day of the week over dynablow or jacks bs. Bio Canna is organic anyone of those nutrients cannot be used with a ppm gauge or ph meter they dont need to be bcause they are ORGANIC BASED. The only shit that doesnt allow them to be considered fully organic is the process they use to chelate the nutrients and enzymes in the product to allow plants easy uptake instead of taking months to be broken down by bacteria. The bottled organics already are "cooked/composted" so you can feed them to you plants and they can use them instantly instead of waiting as you would if you used raw ingredients like kelp, oyster shell, bone/blood meal etc... Read the labels all the nutrients are derived from these sources because they are organic. IT IS THE CHELATION AND ENZYMES THAT ARE SYNTHETIC SO THEY CAN BE CONSIDERED 100% ORGANIC, and this is the only reason. Ask any grower or dispensary about Bio Canna or Bio 1 or even Vegamatrix. They contain less than 5% synthetics and are still considered good clean organic nutrients and classified the final product the same way. I think you guys listen to one or two people on here who are all of your puppet mastersand have you convinced everything except dynagro and jacks is BS, I wondee how much money they all make from selling that bs to all of you guys.
Furthermore the head grower for AN out in Colorado gave me the tip that foliar spraying Bud Factor X at 4-6 ml / gallon gives you best results. Chitosan which is the main ingredient in the product doesnt need to be broken down it already is readily available and the minute the plant absorbs and comes into contact with chitin it responds by producing the resins and oils from your plants. As I sai before Ive done side by side with Bud X and Terpinator vs plants that got neither and the difference was instantly visible. Try it out for yourself!! Stop listening to these dudes on here who just hate on AN, they dont even use the products and you are gonna take their word for it? Cmon son, you cant be that ignorant!!!
Carolina Dream'n
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Please explain to me how a hydroponicly grown plants uses chitosan. You are simply stating that it does, no explanation for how or anything... It is not used by the plant, just like B-vitamins. It's the other things in the bottle.
Ok man, I'm bout tired of this now.
You keep saying how bad dyna grow and all this shit is,YOU HAVE NEVER TRIED IT. So shut up about it. You complain about people doin that to your precious advanced nutrients, then you turn around and do the same thing.
Wanna know why hydro shops don't like to carry that stuff? They don't make enough money off it. Not because it's an inferior product. It simply doesn't cost and arm and leg like advanced so they don't get to markup as much. If I make 40 bucks from selling you one gallon or 5 from selling you one gallon. Which one do you think in going to try to sell you? Advanced.
As far as the molasses goes, pretty sure any organic grower knows it's only needed when brewing a compost tea maybe once a month to bring back the micro herd. Didn't feel like I needed to post all the micro information on it. Thanks though.
Carolina Dream'n
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@chuck estevez and @budman111 now advanced nutrients is so good as soon as it touches the plant, you can see the results!
Wow I think I need to go spend $1200 on nutrients for one run now. It's the only way to grow good pot....
And my plants got 100 times better looking in like 30 seconds. It happened right in front of my eyes!!
Advanced nutrients is a THAT good.
What a joke.
Yodaweed
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Damn you are ignorant , I am trying to teach you from experience man. Here's like 500$ worth of bottled nutrients, tried them all organic is just better for the plants and your health.
budman111
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AN with foliar spray Bud X
Plant on the bottom were not sprayed or root drenched with Bud Factor X. It is the same Ultra Sour in the same room same feedings except those didnt get Bud X and the top photos did. So you tell me if you think it works or not.
These pictures were taken during week 8 for comparison which are from 2 different plants the top 2 photos are the plants used with Bud X
the lower pictures without.
As you can see there is NOTICEABLE difference in resin content. These are both top flowers from 2 different plants taken the same day week 8. I have done several tests of Bud X and Terpinator and Resinator from the Rock Nutrients. Bud Factor X is better than anyone of them. IMO!!
Plant on the bottom were not sprayed or root drenched with Bud Factor X. It is the same Ultra Sour in the same room same feedings except those didnt get Bud X and the top photos did. So you tell me if you think it works or not.
These pictures were taken during week 8 for comparison which are from 2 different plants the top 2 photos are the plants used with Bud X
the lower pictures without.
As you can see there is NOTICEABLE difference in resin content. These are both top flowers from 2 different plants taken the same day week 8. I have done several tests of Bud X and Terpinator and Resinator from the Rock Nutrients. Bud Factor X is better than anyone of them. IMO!!
Hey dip shit read my posts I DONT USE BOTTLED NUTRIENTS I ONLY GROW ORGANICS!! I said i do not use synthetics or bottled anything I grow super soils and teas etc... HOLY SHIT READ THE THREAD MAN SMH
Yodaweed
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Advanced are hyped dude, they are over priced, I can get a container of maxigrow or jack's garden fertilizer for 1/8th the price and they will do the same job, plant won't realize the difference between salt fertilizers just eats up what it needs.
You are saying the same shit I said regarding molasses. You use it one time when your cooking your soil and only when you are bubbling your teas at 1-2 tblspoon per gallon and that is it.
But trust me there are idiots that go and feed molasses to their plants at every watering and think it is helping them out.
And you only use teas 1-2 times per month (at least that is all I do). Anything more than that is overkill imo.
That is the argument I am having with everyone. Because I disagree that Jacks produces the same quality or yields that any of the good nutrient companies: Canna - AN - Botanicare
And carolina you used to run cyco so how you gonna say some shit like that? Just because you recently switched over to this cheap crap after running GH and Cyco for years you think you found the magic wand of growing using jacks or dynagro? Cmon on bs
Yodaweed
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Dude those salt fertilizers are all over rated, they all do the same thing if you follow a good schedule and get your plants dialed in it becomes all about genetics and training + lightage.
All the big dog growers primarily use Canna - AN and GH and thats about it. Alot of people like Botanicare myself included, but noone runs that cheap shit anywhere. And it def aint run any where Im at because I know almost all of the big growers in my area and noone runs that shit. Bio Bizz is popular out here too for those OG people, which is organic based too and people getting 2-3 lbs a light off that shit also.
Noone tunning that powdered shit anywhere around here
Noone tunning that powdered shit anywhere around here
How can you say they are overrated.
If you can take the same strain as me as my chem for example and you run your line whatever say Jacks and yield 2 lbs a light and I am getting 2.5-3 you say that is overrated? I have never heard nor seen anyone even getting 2 lbs a light w Jacks anyways. So it isnt an argument with me I dont buy that whole story