Advanced Nutrients B-52. Is it worth the price?

Carolina Dream'n

Well-Known Member
AN with foliar spray Bud X

Plant on the bottom were not sprayed or root drenched with Bud Factor X. It is the same Ultra Sour in the same room same feedings except those didnt get Bud X and the top photos did. So you tell me if you think it works or not.

These pictures were taken during week 8 for comparison which are from 2 different plants the top 2 photos are the plants used with Bud X

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the lower pictures without.
As you can see there is NOTICEABLE difference in resin content. These are both top flowers from 2 different plants taken the same day week 8. I have done several tests of Bud X and Terpinator and Resinator from the Rock Nutrients. Bud Factor X is better than anyone of them. IMO!!

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I see no difference. You see it because you want to see it and believe it advanced's product.
That is the argument I am having with everyone. Because I disagree that Jacks produces the same quality or yields that any of the good nutrient companies: Canna - AN - Botanicare

And carolina you used to run cyco so how you gonna say some shit like that? Just because you recently switched over to this cheap crap after running GH and Cyco for years you think you found the magic wand of growing using jacks or dynagro? Cmon on bs
I've run Advanced and CYCO. I'm not hiding that. I had great results with both, but advanced was too expensive and CYCO was very ph unstable. I've had 8 harvest with Ionic, so to say I just starting using it is not true. I get the same results, if not better, with Ionic bloom from start to finish as I did with advanced (which I ran for years, I was just as brainwashed as you) or CYCO.

My goal here to save the new growers reading this from wasting time and money with advanced. Learn plant needs and spend money on environment. Not nutrients.

So yes I'll say it clear as day, I get the same results with THIS one part as I did with any other line.
I've never ran dyna or jacks, so stop bringing that up.
 

Carolina Dream'n

Well-Known Member
How can you say they are overrated.

If you can take the same strain as me as my chem for example and you run your line whatever say Jacks and yield 2 lbs a light and I am getting 2.5-3 you say that is overrated? I have never heard nor seen anyone even getting 2 lbs a light w Jacks anyways. So it isnt an argument with me I dont buy that whole story
Give me a cut, I bet I destroy your yields.
 

Carolina Dream'n

Well-Known Member
I dont need to run Dg or Jack myself I know people who have used them and they never went back and these are good growers who I know of personally. All guys I know run Canna primarily, Botanicare and AN. The rest are all goiing organic because that is what the patients and dispensaries want by choice. Thats part of the reason I switched I was forced to pretty much. Because everything gets tested where I bring my meds and if it has any contaminants, heavy metals etcc they wont even take it.
Then shut the fuck up when people say they have never used advanced and talk shit about. Your doing the exact thing your fucking bitching about.
 

Kygiacomo

Well-Known Member
Your getting all your facts from the manufacturer or a retailer. Talk about a conflict of interest. They are trying to sell you something.

Many growers on here know the results of using sulfer (Epsom salts) to promote essintial oil production. @RM3 post about it regularly.

Since "I didn't do my research", please explain to me how a synthetic grow see any benefits from chitosan. Theirs no microbiology to breakdown into the enzyme the plant can use. so it's a marketing gimmick to make you think this bottle is something miraculous.
chitosan is the broken down form..only time u need chitanese enzymes is when its breaking chitin down into CHITOSAN..thats how i know u dont have no ideal what u are talking about saying that there is no microbiology to break it down..im not trying to get into a slinging match just pointing out ur mistakes and mis info that u posted..im not a AN fan boy either bc all their shit is over priced but here these links will explain it alot better then i am willing to sit and type out. i have done countless hours and hours of research on chitosan. not just me but many others that turned me onto chitosan. just cruise on over to icmag and join the discussion with shaggy,Only ornamental,me and many others, it dont matter if u are running synthetic or organic bc chitsoan elects SAR. here is the thread we have been talking about it. i have found that frass is better though then BFX

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Methods of inducing Local Acquired Resistance and Induced Systemic Resistance
Induced Resistance


(1) There is a diverse array of signals that stimulate IR.

(2) IR is a sensitization process that primes the plant for
more rapid deployment of defenses.

(3) When integrated into good agricultural practices, IR
can both enhance plant productivity and resistance to
disease.

(4) Has energetic costs


Types of induced resistance

1. Local acquired resistance (LAR)
2. Systemic acquired resistance (SAR)
3. Systemic gene silencing (SGS)
4. Induced systemic resistance (ISR)
5. Systemic wounding response (SWR)

Systemic Acquired Resistance

Controlled by salicylic acid (SA)
Broad resistance
More durable
Relies on the plants endogenous defenses
Classically effective against biotrophic pathogens

Chitosan

Chitosan is a plant defense booster derived through the breaking down of chitin found in shellfish and mullosks.
In general Chitosan can help improve the efficiency of a nutrient or fertilizer.
Chitosan will increase the quantity, size and shelf life of a harvest product. Chitosan is also effective at providing insect and disease control.
The chitosan molecule triggers a defence response within the plant, leading to the formation of physical and chemical barriers against invading pathogens.
Chitosan possesses a high growth stimulating efficacy combined with antifungal and antibacterial activity of systemic character. Chitosan cause no damage to the plant whatsoever.

Chitosan inhibits the reproduction of pathogens. Once applied either via foliar spray or through watering, it provides plant protection against fungal infection by rapid expression of a number of defense responses, including forming structural barriers at sites of attempted fungal attacks.
It also protects against insect attack by activating genes which produce protease inhibitors.
Lastly, chitosan stimulates the plants hormones responsible for root formation,stem growth, fruit formation and development.
In addition to promoting growth and protecting against attacks, using chitosan in a garden can help to improve the beneficial microbial activity of a growing medium.
This increase in microbial activity helps in conversion of nutrients to bio-available form. Chitosan improves the root system, allowing plants to absorb more nutrients from a medium.
We expect
Chitosan to become one of the top plant health and yield products as awareness of its value grows.

Salicylic Acid

The next additive in the this new class of Natural Plant Defenders is Salicylic Acid.
This specific plant molecule has two major functions. In the first it acts as a promoter letting the entire plant know (through the use of intercellular mechanisms) that pathogens are near.
The second way in which Salicylic Acid works is as an activator. It actually heightens the alarm signal a plant experiences. In plants, Salicylic Acid serves the function of ringing the alarm bell when a pathogenic organism begins to invade plant tissues.
A whole web of immunity-enhancing processes unfold after the plants are exposed to Salicylic Acid - when that initial alarm is rung.
A whole range of proteins and enzymes become activated as soon as Salicylic Acid is released and absorbed into plant cells.
Salicylic Acid also promotes DNA-binding proteins that initiate new protein synthesis.

Harpin Protein

The final additive we would like to discuss is the Harpin protein. Harpin, like the other SAR products on this handout,
acts by eliciting a complex natural defense mechanism in plants, analogous to a broad spectrum immune
response in animals. Harpin simultaneously enhances a plant's own growth systems and natural defense mechanisms
to ward off attacks by insects, common diseases and plant stresses.

Unlike Salicylic Acid or Chitosan, Harpin uses a protein for its main mode of action. It can be safely used in a
synergistic way with both Salicylic Acid and Chitosan. Harpin is a naturally occurring bacterial protein present in a
number of species of plant pathogenic bacteria. The first harpin protein was isolated from the bacterium Erwinia
amylovora. To sum up Harpin’s benefits: Along with its plant inducing immune system response, Harpin accelerates
plant development. It increases root and shoot biomass, early flowering, early fruit set, early fruit maturation, and
increases fruit number.

B1 Thiamine

Strengthens plant immune systems so they better stand up to disease and stress.
B1 activates Systemic Acquired Resistance (SAR)

Silicon

Silicon induces the SAR response and enables suberization (cork development in cell walls).

Using Chitosan and Salicylic Acid Together

Compared to Salicylic Acid, Chitosan is slower and less effective at inducing plant cell immunity; in combination
with a well formulated Salicylic Acid solution, chitosan has compounded effects as Salicylic Acid amplifies the
“alarm” triggered by the chitosan. The most powerful products always use both of these ingredients. Scorpion juice,
from Advanced Nutrients, is an example of a product that contains both Salicylic Acid and Chitosan. These two
additives were made for eachother: Chitosan backs up the Salicylic Acid solution in perfect harmony, while it feeds
reduced carbon and nitrogen to symbiotic microbes.

Ongoing scientific research suggests that using more than one method of activating SAR may employ all three of the plants transduction pathways and amplify the plant’s ability to resist pests and accelerate growth with reduced fertilizer and pesticide inputs.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2866471/

http://www.hindawi.com/journals/ijcc/2011/460381/
 
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Carolina Dream'n

Well-Known Member
chitosan is the broken down form..only time u need chitanese enzymes is when its breaking chitin down into CHITOSAN..thats how i know u dont have no ideal what u are talking about saying that there is no microbiology to break it down..im not trying to get into a slinging match just pointing out ur mistakes and mis info that u posted..im not a AN fan boy either bc all their shit is over priced but here these links will explain it alot better then i am willing to sit and type out. i have done countless hours and hours of research on chitosan. not just me but many others that turned me onto chitosan. just cruise on over to icmag and join the discussion with shaggy,Only ornamental,me and many others, it dont matter if u are running synthetic or organic bc chitsoan elects SAR. here is the thread we have been talking about it. i have found that frass is better though then BFX

"
Methods of inducing Local Acquired Resistance and Induced Systemic Resistance
Induced Resistance


(1) There is a diverse array of signals that stimulate IR.

(2) IR is a sensitization process that primes the plant for
more rapid deployment of defenses.

(3) When integrated into good agricultural practices, IR
can both enhance plant productivity and resistance to
disease.

(4) Has energetic costs


Types of induced resistance

1. Local acquired resistance (LAR)
2. Systemic acquired resistance (SAR)
3. Systemic gene silencing (SGS)
4. Induced systemic resistance (ISR)
5. Systemic wounding response (SWR)

Systemic Acquired Resistance

Controlled by salicylic acid (SA)
Broad resistance
More durable
Relies on the plants endogenous defenses
Classically effective against biotrophic pathogens

Chitosan

Chitosan is a plant defense booster derived through the breaking down of chitin found in shellfish and mullosks.
In general Chitosan can help improve the efficiency of a nutrient or fertilizer.
Chitosan will increase the quantity, size and shelf life of a harvest product. Chitosan is also effective at providing insect and disease control.
The chitosan molecule triggers a defence response within the plant, leading to the formation of physical and chemical barriers against invading pathogens.
Chitosan possesses a high growth stimulating efficacy combined with antifungal and antibacterial activity of systemic character. Chitosan cause no damage to the plant whatsoever.

Chitosan inhibits the reproduction of pathogens. Once applied either via foliar spray or through watering, it provides plant protection against fungal infection by rapid expression of a number of defense responses, including forming structural barriers at sites of attempted fungal attacks.
It also protects against insect attack by activating genes which produce protease inhibitors.
Lastly, chitosan stimulates the plants hormones responsible for root formation,stem growth, fruit formation and development.
In addition to promoting growth and protecting against attacks, using chitosan in a garden can help to improve the beneficial microbial activity of a growing medium.
This increase in microbial activity helps in conversion of nutrients to bio-available form. Chitosan improves the root system, allowing plants to absorb more nutrients from a medium.
We expect
Chitosan to become one of the top plant health and yield products as awareness of its value grows.

Salicylic Acid

The next additive in the this new class of Natural Plant Defenders is Salicylic Acid.
This specific plant molecule has two major functions. In the first it acts as a promoter letting the entire plant know (through the use of intercellular mechanisms) that pathogens are near.
The second way in which Salicylic Acid works is as an activator. It actually heightens the alarm signal a plant experiences. In plants, Salicylic Acid serves the function of ringing the alarm bell when a pathogenic organism begins to invade plant tissues.
A whole web of immunity-enhancing processes unfold after the plants are exposed to Salicylic Acid - when that initial alarm is rung.
A whole range of proteins and enzymes become activated as soon as Salicylic Acid is released and absorbed into plant cells.
Salicylic Acid also promotes DNA-binding proteins that initiate new protein synthesis.

Harpin Protein

The final additive we would like to discuss is the Harpin protein. Harpin, like the other SAR products on this handout,
acts by eliciting a complex natural defense mechanism in plants, analogous to a broad spectrum immune
response in animals. Harpin simultaneously enhances a plant's own growth systems and natural defense mechanisms
to ward off attacks by insects, common diseases and plant stresses.

Unlike Salicylic Acid or Chitosan, Harpin uses a protein for its main mode of action. It can be safely used in a
synergistic way with both Salicylic Acid and Chitosan. Harpin is a naturally occurring bacterial protein present in a
number of species of plant pathogenic bacteria. The first harpin protein was isolated from the bacterium Erwinia
amylovora. To sum up Harpin’s benefits: Along with its plant inducing immune system response, Harpin accelerates
plant development. It increases root and shoot biomass, early flowering, early fruit set, early fruit maturation, and
increases fruit number.

B1 Thiamine

Strengthens plant immune systems so they better stand up to disease and stress.
B1 activates Systemic Acquired Resistance (SAR)

Silicon

Silicon induces the SAR response and enables suberization (cork development in cell walls).

Using Chitosan and Salicylic Acid Together

Compared to Salicylic Acid, Chitosan is slower and less effective at inducing plant cell immunity; in combination
with a well formulated Salicylic Acid solution, chitosan has compounded effects as Salicylic Acid amplifies the
“alarm” triggered by the chitosan. The most powerful products always use both of these ingredients. Scorpion juice,
from Advanced Nutrients, is an example of a product that contains both Salicylic Acid and Chitosan. These two
additives were made for eachother: Chitosan backs up the Salicylic Acid solution in perfect harmony, while it feeds
reduced carbon and nitrogen to symbiotic microbes.

Ongoing scientific research suggests that using more than one method of activating SAR may employ all three of the plants transduction pathways and amplify the plant’s ability to resist pests and accelerate growth with reduced fertilizer and pesticide inputs.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2866471/

http://www.hindawi.com/journals/ijcc/2011/460381/
Absolutely no where in this article did it say chitosan is readily available to a plant. It talked no where about any of the points you brought up. In actuality is talks more about microbes than anything else.

You don't wanna have a "slinging contest" yet you come here and say I have no idea what I am talking about?

You don't know me, my knowledge on cannibas or the research I have done to get to where I am.

I will stick with what I know until a CREDIBLE source tells me otherwise.
 

Canna_Man

Active Member
Chitosan is used all over the world to prevent bug infestation and protect forests. Go look up any info on it from US Agriculture department they spray almost all of the national forest with chitosan for various reasons. Ill try find a link but anyone who can use google will find it.

Chitosan doesnt need to be broken down to be used and foliar applications is a common practice all over the US for such purposes.
 

Canna_Man

Active Member
Ill have the dyna gro thread started this week. Just got everything switch over to veg and will be doing a journal on it and see the results.

And for the troll who said I dont get 20% thc from my chem and sours, I just sent it to the lab on Monday should have results back within 2 weeks and I will post them for you to see so you can stfu with ur BS. And it will also be on the website for varification. Dont need to talk about it imma be about it. Stay tuned my friend you will see
 

BusterVAP

Member
If you have taken a tour through there facility you would realize that it's not just a gimmick or any of that. They produce medical marijuana for legal dispensaries in British Columbia. The fact that there the only company to test strictly on cannabis and research. Millions go into research and funding not to mention all the fundraising they do on the side. When you can call a company and and talk about exactly what your growing that alone is 2 thumbs up . Mention medical marijuana to any other company and see what they say.
 

Flowki

Well-Known Member
If you have taken a tour through there facility you would realize that it's not just a gimmick or any of that. They produce medical marijuana for legal dispensaries in British Columbia. The fact that there the only company to test strictly on cannabis and research. Millions go into research and funding not to mention all the fundraising they do on the side. When you can call a company and and talk about exactly what your growing that alone is 2 thumbs up . Mention medical marijuana to any other company and see what they say.
It's a gap in the market that they have spent plenty money strongly advertising too. It's basic capitalist marketing tactics to cloud out as many company's as possible so that your product is first contact with the average uneducated thus gullible grower. Theirs also plenty of shadow marketing ploys (have no doubt they are behind some if not alot of it) to make you think ''normal'' fertilizers simply can not work as a biological impossibility because cannabis is from mars.

Ofc they are willing to listen to what you say when they are in turn charging you double or triple the price a normal person pays to grow strawberries, potatoes, tomato etc.

I do assume you are on about AN here. One of their products was about $80 for a pk booster. You can get the same thing in double+ the quantity for 1/4 or less of the $80 price if you learn what it's made of. Them charging you an extra $60 for mixing a few components is imo extortion. Jack- JR peters comes to similar price as AN, once you add in huge shipping fees that are in most cases more expensive than the product, even then you get a lot more quntitiy in that purchase from jr so you save anyway. So it's not like AN products are overly expensive to make because they have to be forged in a nuclear chamber deep under the ocean +danger expense coz kraken.

Just a further thing on any company that charges stupid high prices. Even if you run a cheaper alternitave and it yields less, you will even out on the fact you are not paying an extra $300 a run for over priced shit. You have nothing to lose to try the cheaper brands so long as they have the right ratios and elements.

And also please move away from this American culture thing that bigger is better.. high price means hi quality. It leaves you wide open, not just in growing.
 
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Psyphish

Well-Known Member
I used a couple of bottles of B-52... After I ran out I didn't buy more and haven't noticed any change in my plants. If you think it works, it's just because KELP does work, it's a kelp product. You can use any other seaweed extract and most of them cost less.

I've been running Bud Factor X this round, no difference there either. Most of AN's products are complete snake oil, just like their Voodoo Juice which is just dead bacteria.

[edit] I haven't done foliars with the Bud Factor X, because I don't feel like washing my buds after harvest.
 
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Dankonomics_genetics

Well-Known Member
Anything higher than 8 or 10 on the npk scale don't even mess with. Your buds will smoke harsh. The key is to keep as little nutrients as needed to grow your crop out while maintaining size still. If you passive feed in soil like a hot mix seabird guano is the exception to the high npk rule but vegan sources with good quality sugars will really improve bud flavors, size depends on strain, environment and the right npk. Advanced nutrients is a ripoff Imo, I've used about every like any unless you grow hydro I wouldn't even consider it. Even hydro I'd prob go with kushmans vega matrix or even botanicare or earth juice.
 

paperc07

Member
Ok I made this post

I have been growing for years and as of recently I decided I am going to switch and try out advanced nutrients. I know I know, if it's not broke don't fix it! But I really want to try there line and finally decided to. So I have been using for years Flora Duo A and B, superthrive, monster grow, house and garden root excelurator, cal mag, flora nectar, diamond nectar, armor si, completezym, floralicious plus, monster bloom, liquid w8 and dense. Now I spoke with one of the guys at grower support and he recommended starting out with sensi grow a and b, instead of the connoisseur a and b. He also said he would do the hobbyist bundle since im switching line ups, but I mean I have basically been doing a grand master level already, just not with there lineup. So I am wondering should I just do what he said and only go to the hobbyist level or go full force and go up to the grand master level which would include. Sensi grow a and b, B-52, voodoo juice, big bud, overdrive, piranha, bud candy, tarantula, nirvana, sensizym, bud ignitor, rhino skin, and bud factor x. Keep in mind this is 3019$ which money isn't an issue and I will glady spend it if it's worth it and the results are there. I know alot of people have used advanced here im sure, so I am just trying to get any insight, thanks so much.


Now after reading all this I am reconsidering, money isn't an issue, but I don't want to spend the money if it's not going to do anything worth it. Maybe I will go with house and garden.
 

SPLFreak808

Well-Known Member
Ok I made this post

I have been growing for years and as of recently I decided I am going to switch and try out advanced nutrients. I know I know, if it's not broke don't fix it! But I really want to try there line and finally decided to. So I have been using for years Flora Duo A and B, superthrive, monster grow, house and garden root excelurator, cal mag, flora nectar, diamond nectar, armor si, completezym, floralicious plus, monster bloom, liquid w8 and dense. Now I spoke with one of the guys at grower support and he recommended starting out with sensi grow a and b, instead of the connoisseur a and b. He also said he would do the hobbyist bundle since im switching line ups, but I mean I have basically been doing a grand master level already, just not with there lineup. So I am wondering should I just do what he said and only go to the hobbyist level or go full force and go up to the grand master level which would include. Sensi grow a and b, B-52, voodoo juice, big bud, overdrive, piranha, bud candy, tarantula, nirvana, sensizym, bud ignitor, rhino skin, and bud factor x. Keep in mind this is 3019$ which money isn't an issue and I will glady spend it if it's worth it and the results are there. I know alot of people have used advanced here im sure, so I am just trying to get any insight, thanks so much.


Now after reading all this I am reconsidering, money isn't an issue, but I don't want to spend the money if it's not going to do anything worth it. Maybe I will go with house and garden.
Damn bro lol, sounds like the owner was getting strategic with his selling points.(master grower sounds better theb hobbyist lol)

There is no secret potion for growing cannabis!! Just botanical knowledge! Nutrients are nutrients regardless of the fancy bottle picture. Its easy to pour in a bottle for a fix but knowing the nutrients themselves solves all of that expensive bottle bullshit and greatly helps with troubleshooting deficiencies ect.

https://www.google.com/search?q=teaming+with.nutrients&sa=X&biw=372&bih=538&tbs=vw:l&tbm=shop&prmd=sivn&srpd=12122821303866781772&prds=epd:14407897691067003727,paur:ClkAsKraXzEhA5xWQaiiPxLQIJIw5CxT9QfT_aWFAfRMqnpdEhKM6cmdRmJTBOjbHUKYbjXPCZjT7NcutmNh3KFeK7jYXzqJvxzlgL07lSmUAL_r0pjWxvbzExIZAFPVH71uEvo4chPBxDPAK9QEN3Wq451h9w,cdl:1,cid:6065952329730362649&ved=0ahUKEwjG7oDczbfOAhXFSSYKHebrAjQQgTYIzAMwAA

https://www.google.com/search?q=teaming+with+microbes&sa=X&biw=372&bih=538&noj=1&tbs=vw:l&tbm=shop&srpd=114647208713611936&prds=epd:14376558598366836161,paur:ClkAsKraX5x72Il_e3vB1d1YeEr5bBSpdMAiQhYKSFIDdNW_sFkPnFfaLFTfn2psjnkoku5VYluu2vShL1S9hT2-APusBqQvmL9Ez_EuWAe8pvvUMB0ifp0MehIZAFPVH73zUtcJELODp7c1q5ZZZ7SrD8Pg1Q,cdl:1,cid:2171265918369872874&ved=0ahUKEwic3_zrzbfOAhXFMSYKHfteALAQgTYIYzAA

Honestly those two books would be a great start.
 

BusterVAP

Member
I I called advanced nutrient just a few weeks ago because I jumped into connesuer thinking it was the best. And it really depends and your growing level and strains. They told me that it runs hot at full dosage like 2000 plus ppms. So it's for serious growers on serious nutrient uptake strains that want to push there grow past there limits. So if your maxed out your environment and co2 and nutrients already then they have an even stronger nutrient the connesuer.
 

BusterVAP

Member
So they said they would exchange my already opened bottles of connesuer and switch them for sensi a and b which is a lower running ppm at full dosage
 

SPLFreak808

Well-Known Member
I I called advanced nutrient just a few weeks ago because I jumped into connesuer thinking it was the best. And it really depends and your growing level and strains. They told me that it runs hot at full dosage like 2000 plus ppms. So it's for serious growers on serious nutrient uptake strains that want to push there grow past there limits. So if your maxed out your environment and co2 and nutrients already then they have an even stronger nutrient the connesuer.
Read around more because it doesn't work like that, ppm is subjective to the grower not the bottle regardless of bottle strength. They are bullshitting you, you still need to dilute with water, same as every other bottle.

Those two books would have explained it to you.
 

paperc07

Member
Ok I will check them out and yes I know that's why I was wondering if it was worth it. I think I am just going to make a grow journal with the advanced nutrients and let everyone see the results as I go and decide if it was really worth it or not. Obviously I will be able to tell as well.
 

SPLFreak808

Well-Known Member
Ok I will check them out and yes I know that's why I was wondering if it was worth it. I think I am just going to make a grow journal with the advanced nutrients and let everyone see the results as I go and decide if it was really worth it or not. Obviously I will be able to tell as well.
You would need side by side clones in the same style grow and environment to compare the two. In short, it all comes down to how well you know the nutrients so you basically cant test them side by side untill you learn how to optimally grow with both nutrients first. It's part of dialing things down and little things such as growing from seed, different phenotypes,temps, environment ect will all change your grows outcome
 
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