Advanced nutrients in sunshine mix# 4

Anybody have any luck using advanced nutrients micro grow and bloom.




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Any hydroponic nutrient will work for a soilless mix. You're just going to get a lot of opinions with a question like that. For instance, I use dina-gro, so no I wouldn't recommend AN. @homebrewer posted a good side by side comparison between DG and General Hydroponics. All the photos have expired, but you can still see what he had to say. Dyna-gro is simple to use and affordable. I would suggest the grow (7-9-5) or foliage pro (9-3-6), Protekt (pH stabilizer), bloom (3-12-6), and a bag of Epsom salt. If you maintain proper pH you won't need calmag. You could just use the 7-9-5 start to finish too, but it's nice to have the bloom to boost the P and K levels for flowering. As far as I've seen this is the cheapest, simplest, and most complete nutrient line on the market. But this is also just what I started with and never saw a need to move away from. I've thrown in a few additives here and there; fulvic and humic acids, nonsulfured blackstrap molasses, and sm-90 root stimulant. But all you need for a happy healthy plant is the 7-9-5, everything else is more to form a more efficient mix for what stage of growth your plant is in. A good way to go would be start with grow and foliage pro, fade to just grow, then by the end of the first week of flower start to fade into bloom till eventually you're just using bloom at the end, and you're good.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/dyna-gro-vs-general-hydroponics-dumpster-grow.358562/

dtl420 said:

Any hydroponic nutrient will work for a soilless mix. You're just going to get a lot of opinions with a question like that. For instance, I use dina-gro, so no I wouldn't recommend AN. @homebrewer posted a good side by side comparison between DG and General Hydroponics. All the photos have expired, but you can still see what he had to say. Dyna-gro is simple to use and affordable. I would suggest the grow (7-9-5) or foliage pro (9-3-6), Protekt (pH stabilizer), bloom (3-12-6), and a bag of Epsom salt. If you maintain proper pH you won't need calmag. You could just use the 7-9-5 start to finish too, but it's nice to have the bloom to boost the P and K levels for flowering. As far as I've seen this is the cheapest, simplest, and most complete nutrient line on the market. But this is also just what I started with and never saw a need to move away from. I've thrown in a few additives here and there; fulvic and humic acids, nonsulfured blackstrap molasses, and sm-90 root stimulant. But all you need for a happy healthy plant is the 7-9-5, everything else is more to form a more efficient mix for what stage of growth your plant is in. A good way to go would be start with grow and foliage pro, fade to just grow, then by the end of the first week of flower start to fade into bloom till eventually you're just using bloom at the end, and you're good.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/dyna-gro-vs-general-hydroponics-dumpster-grow.358562/

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Thanks I will look into that

As @dtl420 mentioned, you can use any hydroponic nutrient line with Sunshine #4.

Other excellent points that @dtl420 made was about Dyna Grow, homebrewer's side by side, and sticking with the basics before dumping in additives.

If you want to see the results of Dyna Grow you can simply look through my signature. My last grow consisted of Foliage Pro (9-3-6) from start to finish.

I would advise adding beneficial microbes into your soil/rootzone, that's what took my growing to the next level. Beneficial microbes in the rootzone help with plants assimilation of the nutrients. The microbes feed on the nutrients and break them down, it truly is a symbiotic relationship.

Start to finish you can use Foliage Pro, a quart bottle is like $15-20 dollars... and it has all the macros/micros in one bottle. Add in an 8oz container of "Recharge" by realgrowers for $25, water that in at 2.5ml per gallon every watering. It has fulvic and humic acids, trichoderma, kelp, molasses, and hundreds of millions of different bacteria strains.

You can certainly go with Advanced Nutrients, but you'll find out sooner or later that their nutrients are really expensive, not that good and compartmentalized into several bottles, and your purchase just pays for their fancy label. Don't get me wrong, if you have all your other variables in line you'll grow some dank with AN, but I'll personally never purchase their products, regardless of what big mike says.

smokebros said:

As @dtl420 mentioned, you can use any hydroponic nutrient line with Sunshine #4.

Other excellent points that @dtl420 made was about Dyna Grow, homebrewer's side by side, and sticking with the basics before dumping in additives.

If you want to see the results of Dyna Grow you can simply look through my signature. My last grow consisted of Foliage Pro (9-3-6) from start to finish.

I would advise adding beneficial microbes into your soil/rootzone, that's what took my growing to the next level. Beneficial microbes in the rootzone help with plants assimilation of the nutrients. The microbes feed on the nutrients and break them down, it truly is a symbiotic relationship.

Start to finish you can use Foliage Pro, a quart bottle is like $15-20 dollars... and it has all the macros/micros in one bottle. Add in an 8oz container of "Recharge" by realgrowers for $25, water that in at 2.5ml per gallon every watering. It has fulvic and humic acids, trichoderma, kelp, molasses, and hundreds of millions of different bacteria strains.

You can certainly go with Advanced Nutrients, but you'll find out sooner or later that their nutrients are really expensive, not that good and compartmentalized into several bottles, and your purchase just pays for their fancy label. Don't get me wrong, if you have all your other variables in line you'll grow some dank with AN, but I'll personally never purchase their products, regardless of what big mike says.

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I started with advanced nutrients...the guy who showed me everything...used AN so that is all I know. Yes AN is a little pricey but I don't have to purchase anything for ph level.
But I would be willing to try something new as long as it yields some good bud

cyoho84s said:

I started with advanced nutrients...the guy who showed me everything...used AN so that is all I know. Yes AN is a little pricey but I don't have to purchase anything for ph level.
But I would be willing to try something new as long as it yields some good bud

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Right on man, I have no beef with that. If you are comfortable with AN and you get the results you want then there's no need to change. To answer your original question - yeah, AN will indeed work with Sunshine #4.

I do however encourage you to branch out a bit and look at other nutrient companies. AN is literally the last company I'd give my money to. They just kind of go against what I feel nutrient companies should be about. They're very opaque about their ingredients and list very minimal information on their bottles. They tell you "this is a flower hardener, we can't tell you what the ingredients are, but trust us and our formulators that this stuff will grow buds like rocks".
On the other hand there's tons of other companies that are super transparent about their products. Growmore, Dyna Grow, Canna, Nectar For The Gods, GH, Green Planet, Jacks, Supernatural...

There's a newer company that's been talked about on these forums a lot lately, megacrop. It's an all-in-one dry powder that even has silica in it. I follow a few growers that've had quite the success with it, and I believe right now you can order a sizable "free" container of it, I believe you pay shipping.

There's a lot of ways to clean a deer, skin a cat, etc. Just because you learned one method of growing from someone doesn't mean you shouldn't branch out and find what works best for you. AN doesn't have some magic that other companies don't know about.. they all buffer their nutrients so the PH lands in an acceptable range depending on the water.

Anyways, sorry for being long winded. If you've used AN with other mediums and are simply intending to switch to SS#4, go for it.

I'm not 100% sure, but I think flower hardener by AN would be Overdrive? In the pic I posted it seems like all the ingredients are on the bottle. Also all the bottles I have from them are like the pic with all their ingredients listed.

Am I missing something? Doesn't appear opaque to me..