Advanced Nutrients LIE on their labels...

Cannabisworks

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so as off yesterday fat bastard mike and gino screwed people again. his 25 employees he had at the rosebud mag showed up to work yesterday morning to find all the doors locked. nice guy to not tell his staff right before x-mas they no longer had a job. this is the shit that makes me and many many other avoid them at all costs. its more than what the nutes are. hes just a plain and simple low life scum.
believe me their days are over. more news soon.....lol..
funny anyone to believe his info. hes being shut down for all his lies but all of a sudden tells a truth...lol i dont think he even knows how to spell truth or honest

gonna be enjoyable to watch his empire crumble
 

twisterbilly

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so as off yesterday fat bastard mike and gino screwed people again. his 25 employees he had at the rosebud mag showed up to work yesterday morning to find all the doors locked. nice guy to not tell his staff right before x-mas they no longer had a job. this is the shit that makes me and many many other avoid them at all costs. its more than what the nutes are. hes just a plain and simple low life scum.
believe me their days are over. more news soon.....lol..
funny anyone to believe his info. hes being shut down for all his lies but all of a sudden tells a truth...lol i dont think he even knows how to spell truth or honest

gonna be enjoyable to watch his empire crumble
Ah no what is the grow community gonna do without Rosebud?:-) Is this straight up or what? AN closed Rosebud??? Maybe they're being sued for slander and Libel by GH for the crap marketing they have been doing where a cow is drinking AN and pissing out GH. AN is a disgrace!!
 

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Sadly, this will be our last issue.


Rosebud Magazine Closing Its Doors

Hey,
I wanted you to know before everyone hears
the news that Rosebud Magazine is shutting down.

Because you have been a loyal reader,
and on our inner circle mailing list,
I thought you should be the first to hear about it.

Read Why Here: Rosebud Magazine Closing Its Doors


It's with great sadness that I am writing you today.
But I've always told it to you like it is, and
shared with you the good, the bad and the ugly news.

Unfortunately today's news is very sad and the reason
why we have to shut down the magazine is clearly explained
in the publisher's letter I wrote for the last issue of Rosebud.

Get Your Publishers Letter Here: Rosebud Magazine Closing Its Doors

Thank You For Your Support

BigMike

P.S Your last issue of Rosebud will hit the stands Mid December.
The website will stay up but no new content will be added to it.
 

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Sadly, this will be our last issue.


Rosebud Magazine Closing Its Doors

Hey,
I wanted you to know before everyone hears
the news that Rosebud Magazine is shutting down.

Because you have been a loyal reader,
and on our inner circle mailing list,
I thought you should be the first to hear about it.

Read Why Here: Rosebud Magazine Closing Its Doors


It's with great sadness that I am writing you today.
But I've always told it to you like it is, and
shared with you the good, the bad and the ugly news.

Unfortunately today's news is very sad and the reason
why we have to shut down the magazine is clearly explained
in the publisher's letter I wrote for the last issue of Rosebud.

Get Your Publishers Letter Here: Rosebud Magazine Closing Its Doors

Thank You For Your Support

BigMike

P.S Your last issue of Rosebud will hit the stands Mid December.
The website will stay up but no new content will be added to it.
http://www.rosebudmag.com/farewell-edition Yes I just read about it. Advanced Nutrients looks like they may be in serious shit financially. My heart bleeds for them. Good old Mike sure knows how to talk shit! Even here he is slandering the competition!
 

leyley22

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Good Riddance....I guess all those times i stole Rosebud mags, wiped my butt with them, and left them on headquarters front steps finally paid off! Hahaha in all honesty Advanced is sinking, people around here are talking more bad than good about them lately, word of mouth is harsh especially when you live in the same area as Advanced...word travels fast!
 

hugetom80s

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Actually this is libelous crap that is now been circulated by the likes of probably AN and the PGR makers he exposes in his stories. I've been watching the story unfold closely and this guy is on forums telling people who he is. This thread is interesting because someone who looks like an AN Goon or PGR maker fesses to the fact that Organic Freak where you posted to is not G.Low http://www.gardenscure.com/420/plant-food-nutrients/121928-uh-oh-bushmaster-4.html#post1489249 (check out their writing styles - they are not the same person). And here's a thread on IC Mag where G.Low makes it clear who he is and that it is him who is talking http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=221650 and here's a buch of threads on THC Farmer where he makes it clear it is him talking
as MotherF http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f54/sour-diesel-sage-n-sour-4kw-grow-39426/index8.html?highlight=phosphoload and http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f168/getting-sucked-hombolts-own-gravity-41694/index3.html and http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f168/do-not-use-phosphoload-top-load-bushmaster-gravity-flowerdragon-42468/index2.html?highlight=phosphoload

Funny how these guys are trying to assassinate his character with things like he is a "nut job" and stuff like this on Google books

"User Review - Flag as inappropriateThis guy is a known narko and loser in the hydroponics industry. He portrays himself as an outsider looking out for the little guy but actually he represents Atami Australia, unless they fired him. He uses various fake names and has narked out various hydroponics companies. His book is full of crap and if you follow his instructions your medical marijuana will die off.
I am surprised this fool has not been sued or dumped in the ocean yet. His book is utter garbage. "
I'd say read his articles that back up every thing he states with freedom of information pages and scientific/chemical data. You be the judge.

http://www.integralhydro.com/flowerdragon.html
http://www.integralhydro.com/AdvancedNutrients2.html (The med deception where AN are truly busted lying to consumers)

Sounds to me like you're just another part of the slander campaign against him Hugetom or is the Big Mike?

I wrote a whole response and then when I posted it it just cut it off halfway through the quote. Annoying.

Anyway what I said was: It seems like this is oddly (or not so oddly) personal to you.

The libel thing is humorous. It would be entertaining to see him try to pursue it. It's not libel if it's the truth, you know.


Also, I'm not the guy who wrote the review. I haven't read the book and based on what I've seen this guy write online I wouldn't waste my money buying it. The review seems unnecessarily harsh to me but I hold the author in low-esteem so I wouldn't go so far as to say it's undeservedly so.

I'm not Big Mike either. TBH I shake my head at a lot of the stuff AN does for marketing but I don't buy nutrients based on marketing so it doesn't really matter that much to me. I do use AN almost exclusively in my garden but that's because I've tried lots of different things and AN is what works best for me.
 

kilo810

Active Member
Oh man this is funny. About ten minutes ago Advanced Nutrients made the following update to their facebook status:

"Do Carbohydrate Supplements Really Produce Bigger Yields and Root Systems in Hydroponic Gardens? Give us your opinions, thoughts & views.
- AN"

I responded with something along the lines of "Well according to the Agricultural Department of the State of Oregon" you people are a bit deceptive in regards to the amounts of ingredients listed on your bottles of carbo supplements. Care to respond with a rebuttal convincing enough to keep me as a die hard patron of Advanced products?"

And then I linked the OP's article under the text. 5 minutes later my post was deleted and Advanced Nutrients removed me from their page and blocked me from replying any more.

Their response after deleting me:

"Advanced Nutrients
Thomas ********, Is that why our products are available throughout the United States, Canada, most of Europe and all of the UK? I guess Oregon is the mecca of hydroponics growing and Oregon regulators the official label police."

Then 30 seconds later another response:

"Advanced Nutrients
Ask people who live in Oregon what the challenges are in buying products in their state."

Just thought you guys might get a kick out of that.
the fact that they could not answer you is steering me away from them, and to add on that they were dicks about it. DYna Gro is looking awful good. SO is green planet at least they tell you the truth about the products they sell.
 

leyley22

Active Member
the fact that they could not answer you is steering me away from them, and to add on that they were dicks about it. DYna Gro is looking awful good. SO is green planet at least they tell you the truth about the products they sell.
I hear Green Planet has really good nutrients, a friend of mine swears by them and when I start growing I am definately going to try them out for myself!
 

Cannabisworks

Active Member
all i use is green planet foods. its about as close to advanced you can get minus the cost and lies
i may be biased as some of them ate my buddies but ive used alot of foods in my years and this is so easy and does as it says it will.

and to the one saying this sounds more personal to me...in a way ya. i dont like liers and murderers and con men ripping off other fellow growers, so me being also a grower it is personal in that sence. and ripped of some friends of mine.
 

leyley22

Active Member
Just heard that advanced cut everyones Christmas bonuses this year at the last minute! no heads up or nothing. Told everyone they were getting one then BAM nope sorry not anymore. I feel bad for the people who were really counting on it to get them through the holidays.
 

Cannabisworks

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merry freekin ho ho, hey fat mike. i guess to be fair there are 3 of them so its not all on 1 guys shoulders

whats next filed for bankruptcy?...oops....
 

aeroman

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yanno its funny to see someone get all outraged cuz people got fired without warning (if thats even true there isnt any proof it happened that way) and then without even taking a breath get all gleeful that even more people might lose their jobs

u cnat be all "i hope advanced nutrients goes bankrupt" without also hoping all the people that work for them lose their jobs
so u hate AN whatever but do u really think everyone that works for them is a bad person and deserves to be unemployed?
and if you seriously get happy thinking about people losing their jobs how does that make you a better person than them?


bunch of haters...


i think the whole thing is BS anyway
i dont see anything that suggests people got fired with no warning or that xmas bonuses got cut or anything like that
it just looks like stupid rumors started by haters who really really want the rumors to be true and get a lot of pleasure thinking about other peoples suffering
 

Cannabisworks

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so cause you dont work in the field and dont know about it then its not true?. how many other companies you see online advertise they fucked their people over?. happens every day but we dont see that either do we...lol
dont think i see anyone saying the workers suck or are same as owners, it does suck its them that looses. is why it pisses some of us off. if it was them loosing...who cares..great in fact.
no its not hatters, its people tired of his lies and screwing everyone. maybe once you get fucked by them youd feel the same. you still like guys that burn you?> doubt it

make it seem everyones personal life on this is on google for all to see or something. ..
theres some bigger news coming soon, all i can say for now is a couple big dogs are about to go at it..should involve courts so should be public and till then i cant say shit...keep googling court registries
 
The comments in this thread have hit a new low. What I’ve read here turns my stomach. It’s hard to believe that anyone -- even the shills of a competitor -- would celebrate rumors that people had lost their jobs. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

I’m not joining this discussion to engage in a pointless war of words. After I’ve said my peace, you won’t hear back from me. Unlike the shills here, I have real work to do. Nevertheless, I feel obligated to take a few minutes to set the record straight.

I work for Advanced Nutrients’ Media Department. Here are the facts:

Rosebud has not closed its doors on its team. No one has been laid off. No one has EVER been laid off at Advanced Nutrients. It is true that in mid-December a decision was reached to wind Rosebud down. You have all read Big Mike’s Farewell Edition letter: http://www.rosebudmag.com/farewell-edition However, this decision didn’t reflect on the health of Advanced Nutrients, which is a separate business entity. Over the holiday season, the discussion was not about letting people go; it was about how to refocus the Rosebud team on other projects and efforts. Same team, new direction. Get it?

And get this: Since announcing that Rosebud was winding down, we have heard from hundreds of growers and shop owners who want the magazine to stay. Some have even said they’d be willing to pay for it. This came as a surprise -- and as a compliment! -- to us. So, because of this overwhelming demand for Rosebud, we are now considering bringing it back, perhaps as a paid subscription. We would like to give it a try and see what happens.

That’s right: The magazine was cancelled, and then store owners and growers contacted us and urged us to resurrect the magazine. We could not feel more proud!

Let’s get back to what fueled the initial decision to wind down the magazine. Rosebud was FREE, in case you hadn’t noticed. We offered space for ads in every issue. Yes, we had our own ads as well as competitors’ ads, and even three FREE full-page ads for non-profits that support human rights, animal rights, and the environment. The ad rates were low and didn’t cover our production costs. We never made money on Rosebud. Making money was not the point.

The main objective of Rosebud was to represent our company and the hydroponics community in a respectable light to the public. Sure, it was a great marketing tool for Advanced Nutrients. No one is denying that. Why should we? We are a business, as are our clients. However, the magazine was above all a hydroponics lifestyle and educational magazine. It was for -- and about -- the hydroponics community.

Rosebud showed the world that we hydroponic growers are responsible members of society. It is high time the discrimination against growers ended and we are given the freedom and respect our community deserves. Don’t you think so? If you agree, perhaps it is also high time the self-defeating infighting ended.

I am proud to be on the Advanced Nutrients team. I have never worked for a more talented, committed group of people. Perhaps you didn’t know this, but on the wall above Big Mike’s desk are three words in big block letters to remind him every day of the primary purpose of his company: IT’S ABOUT THEM. Who is Big Mike talking about? He is talking about hydroponics growers. He is talking about the hydroponics community.

He is talking about you.
 

potroastV2

Well-Known Member
Well, Bart, I am not part of this discussion, but I'd like to know why your company feels the need to charge 8 times as much as other nutrient companies. Why does your marketing hype prove to be bullshit?

After all, it's about us? :roll:


:mrgreen:
 

Cannabisworks

Active Member
ya i see them signs in every nute co ive been with, isnt worth the paper its printed on. funny i guess the employess i talked to that showed up to work with locked doors and no notice all lied to?. must be catchy working there
so even the mass emails sent out saying its shutting down was missleading to?? id have thought to avoif the insults they would have said things are going in a new direction. wonder why it took this long to make this speech if it was known back then??
and the ones not laid off are bailing, guess its shut down to save for them hefty lawyer fees coming soon..does that mean prices of the bottles of sugar water will go up to cover that cost to?
 

Undercover Cop

Active Member
They can charge 8 times more because they have flashy pictures on the bottles. Go to the mall and look at all the douchebags wearing Ed Hardy, those are the same douchebags that would fall prey to a fancy picture and clever name, ala "wet betty". Its all about marketing and target demographics, AN tagets noobs, makes for easy sales.
 

twisterbilly

Active Member
Hey Big Mike - one question... If you were trying to present a positive image to hydroponics and members of the community why did you publish shit advertising like a cow drinking AN and pissing out GH? You'll never find this type of garbage in any reputable magazine.

Ah yeah and man anything that comes out of the mouths of sociopaths is suspect to question. Ie. Big Mike "about them" LMFAO. He's probably talking about the aliens they use to develop their science defying nutrients and additives (all 50 of them).
 

Thailord

Active Member
so cause you dont work in the field and dont know about it then its not true?. how many other companies you see online advertise they fucked their people over?. happens every day but we dont see that either do we...lol
dont think i see anyone saying the workers suck or are same as owners, it does suck its them that looses. is why it pisses some of us off. if it was them loosing...who cares..great in fact.
no its not hatters, its people tired of his lies and screwing everyone. maybe once you get fucked by them youd feel the same. you still like guys that burn you?> doubt it

make it seem everyones personal life on this is on google for all to see or something. ..
theres some bigger news coming soon, all i can say for now is a couple big dogs are about to go at it..should involve courts so should be public and till then i cant say shit...keep googling court registries
Great 1st post Bart. If Big Mike was "all about them" why is his products 5,6,8 even 10x more costly than other lines for vitually the same exact product? Why do we have to buy 18 products to equal other lines 6-8 products? Could you not consolidate some of these into each other to produce the same results? Answer is yes, you could, but you don't b/c it is not "all about them" it is all about your bottom line at the end of the day. If your nutrients were so superior over lines to warrant such high costs, why would your marketing schemes condemn and down other lines to make advancements in the grow communities? Seems to me if your products were worth half of what you charge, you would put the proof in the pudding and not create marketing schemes which condemn and down other lines. A great product does not need to be hyped up by downing it's competitors, it proves itself in results, not by making everyone else look inferior. Over 35 yrs of growing, and have tried every product you sell, not once did my results warrant paying your prices over other lines, in fact, I would rank you a 4/10 in yields and even lower in finished flavor. I been doing this a good while myself Bart, you may be able to pass your BS to this new generation, but to many of us old school guys, you are just over priced hype.
 
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