Advanced Nutrients Overdrive VS. Atomi Bloombastic

FLoJo

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they do have a couple nice unique items like big bud.. but as far as the whole line goes i dont think its all its cracked up to be.. i think as long as you get a good quality hydro nute like advanced, gh, canna, botanicare etc. i think the differences are negligable.. its all about how ya mix em
 

SmokeMedprop215

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Advanced Nutrients are over hyped they give loads away to big med growers so they can say they are getting the results because they are using AN its all marketing Iv used it my self one to see what all the hype was about the plants looked the same as anyother plant no more yeild no fatter potent buds just cost a lot more to feed them. vitalink and pk13/14 boost is all you need grow just the same as the more expensive AV stuff.

oh ya? and how many of these big med growers have you talked to? Have you actually talked to one? Or are you just like the rest of the haters? lol its funny how we have non believers on how AN works better than other brands. Now I agree with BCtrippin that you dont have to use the whole line but once you've got this system down I can put money on it that my flowers will be bigger and more potent than yours. GH nutes can kiss my ass they are not specifically made for fast flowering highly resionous producing plants now are they? do your own tests before blabbing what you've heard from others or read in the forums, most of these cats running cfl's or nothing even more than a 400w hps. I"m not screwing around with that business I run real lighting, with real nutrients, no bs. But go ahead and hate on the AN lineup its all good I still know that my flowers are better and bigger than yours. Oh yea and how many other nute companies have a %100 money back guarantee with their product or 24 hr full time tech support? anyone...........so to let you know your in the wrong thread baggin on the AN buddy I asked at the begining of this thread to not knock on my nutes yet here you are haha go figure:sleep:
 

BCtrippin

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Yeah, the AN factory is in my home town. I know people who have worked there, Iv met Dr. Hornby...lol. How many other nute companies actually make their products to work better specifically for Marijuana?

Im pretty sure AN is run by HA, they were pretty much created Just for the marijauana industry. They saw a massive oportuninty for nutrients geared towards growing Marijauna. And living in BC theres a big Medical marijuana industry so it just took off.

I dont get it when people say AN is all hype. I dont see any AN comercials on TV. The only "Hype" I ever see is real growers talking about how good it is. Not only is it a good product, its Reliable, they have very high standards for their products.

If you think its all hype try some and you will see what everyone is talking about.

Dont get me wrong, nutes alone wont make your grows amazing. Its really the grower that makes the difference, an experienced grower can grow good weed with Any nutrients, even MG. I just like AN because I can fine tune Exactly what types of nutes my plants and exact amounts. Its just so much easier to fine tune with AN products compared to some of the other stuff.

Just incase anyone is wondering, my second choice would be Fox Farms full line up. I think GH is fairly outdated and needs to update their lineup.


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9inch bigbud

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oh ya? and how many of these big med growers have you talked to? Have you actually talked to one? Or are you just like the rest of the haters? lol its funny how we have non believers on how AN works better than other brands. Now I agree with BCtrippin that you dont have to use the whole line but once you've got this system down I can put money on it that my flowers will be bigger and more potent than yours. GH nutes can kiss my ass they are not specifically made for fast flowering highly resionous producing plants now are they? do your own tests before blabbing what you've heard from others or read in the forums, most of these cats running cfl's or nothing even more than a 400w hps. I"m not screwing around with that business I run real lighting, with real nutrients, no bs. But go ahead and hate on the AN lineup its all good I still know that my flowers are better and bigger than yours. Oh yea and how many other nute companies have a %100 money back guarantee with their product or 24 hr full time tech support? anyone...........so to let you know your in the wrong thread baggin on the AN buddy I asked at the begining of this thread to not knock on my nutes yet here you are haha go figure:sleep:
you only have to look on youtube and see all the hype its all marketed you can tell by the enthusiasm of the med growers they are paid or give years free nutes to let AN come round and video the fucking grows who in their right mind would let some dick come round and film their grow op for fuck all? they are paid for doing it advertisment works ppl fall for the hype if you think it works better and pay more for somthing it makes you feel better i.e you will enjoy a meal more if you pay $100 for it more than if you paid $10 for it. when you look at these grow rooms they film have a close look at them 10 x 1000w lamps Co2 air con etc. perfect enviroment. any nute will grow good shit in thouse growrooms, but AN make it out that its the shit they are selling that make the buds so big and coverd in resin. wake up for fuck sake you are being suckerd in to the hype! ROLF have a look at normal small time grower who just have a small set up no Co2 ect.. and then compare the results to other growers and you will see no difference. i have used it and found it over priced IMOH

I can put money on it that my flowers will be bigger and more potent than yours
go on then get your pics out here a few of mine they are 38 days flower 3 days vegtotal= 41 days from cutting grown in normal cheap shit soil, reused many times over 3-4 times. nutes used Vitalink bloom and PK 13/14 boost



 

BCtrippin

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you only have to look on youtube and see all the hype its all marketed you can tell by the enthusiasm of the med growers they are paid or give years free nutes to let AN come round and video the fucking grows who in their right mind would let some dick come round and film their grow op for fuck all? they are paid for doing it advertisment works ppl fall for the hype
Dude, Do you have proof AN is paying people to film their grows? Youtube isnt exactly a very good marketing campaign..:roll:

I can tell you 100% that AN does not pay anyone or give out free products to film their grows. The grows that they do film are 100% legal medical grows. Im telling you its not hype. I use the stuff. Have you used AN or do you just hate it because you think its all hype?

Your making ridiculous claims. No one is "falling for AN hype". People use it because it WORKS. If it didnt work it would have been debunked years ago, but theres only people who bitch about it being hype because they are too cheap to buy some and try it.

Your basically assuming Every Single grower who uses AN is a moron who falls for hype.

Name any other products that you can fine tune as well as you can with AN....but you cant. Again, the grower is really what makes the difference, but an experience grower who knows how to use AN will yield much more than an experienced grower using GH or any other crap.


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9inch bigbud

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Dude, Do you have proof AN is paying people to film their grows? Youtube isnt exactly a very good marketing campaign..:roll:

I can tell you 100% that AN does not pay anyone or give out free products to film their grows. The grows that they do film are 100% legal medical grows. Im telling you its not hype. I use the stuff. Have you used AN or do you just hate it because you think its all hype?

Your making ridiculous claims. No one is "falling for AN hype". People use it because it WORKS. If it didnt work it would have been debunked years ago, but theres only people who bitch about it being hype because they are too cheap to buy some and try it.

Your basically assuming Every Single grower who uses AN is a moron who falls for hype.

Name any other products that you can fine tune as well as you can with AN....but you cant. Again, the grower is really what makes the difference, but an experience grower who knows how to use AN will yield much more than an experienced grower using GH or any other crap.


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it was well known on overgrow AN used to give med growers free nutes. you think youtube is not a good add campain?? its totaly free he as had over 250,000 hits and almost 2,000 friends on his friends list and almost 8,000 subscribers = potential customers its alot better than a T.V add!. you are mad just take a look at some of his vids> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDh7ouQw1N8&feature=related any good grower will tell you yeild is dependant on the amount of light you give a plant not what you put in the soil!

you can give a plant all the nutes you like it will not grow any faster than the ammount of light you give it. vitalink make their nutes for cannabis they just cant advitise it, but every fucker knows it works who uses it. follow the instructions and the only limiting factor for yeild is the enviroment i.e lights co2 temp/humidity.

the better the enviroment and the more light you give it the bigger they will grow. you can give a plant all the nutes you like it will end up killing it, what does that tell you? the real food you give a plant is "LIGHT" everything else just helps it to grow.

o.k feed a plant the so called best nutes from AN and grow it under a 400w light and then grow the same plant from a cutting, but insted grow it with tomato nutes under a 600w what plant will yeild more?

light is the real food not the shit you put in the soil you can over feed a plant, but a plant will do very well with very little nutes and planty of light, it will do much better than a plant with all the food it could need and very little light.

AN in their vids go on to say" its our shit that makes these buds so big". No its fucking not! its the light that makes the buds the size they are:roll:. look at the grow room in the vid in the above link, its 6x1000w grow room if you cant see what they are up to then good for you.

old saying=" a fool and his money are easly parted". I have used AN as i have said IMHO they are over priced." NOT THAT THEY ARE RUBBISH" over priced is not the same as saying ruubbish is it?

i did not see anymore bud than my normal grow which i hit over a GPW 99% of the time, that is a true GPW not the 5-6 weeks veg wich needs to be taken in to account = total watts used start to finnish.

i flower 3 days from cuttings the grow above pic hit an avarage of 79g per plant there are 16 plants under the 1000w lamp.

work it out your self that is every 8 weeks from 1000w.

p.s in the pic Above the 79 in red is was the dry wait of the plant #14 when it was cut down dried and baged.

here is an old post from overgrow many years ago.

Sweet Goodness - Magical Molasses

There are a number of different nutrient and fertilizer companies selling a variety of additives billed as carbohydrate booster products for plants. Usually retailing for tens of dollars per gallon if not tens of dollars per liter, these products usually claim to work as a carbohydrate source for plants. A variety of benefits are supposed to be unlocked by the use of these products, including the relief of plant stresses and increases in the rate of nutrient uptake. On the surface it sounds real good, and while these kinds of products almost always base their claims in enough science to sound good, reality doesn’t always live up to the hype.

The 3LB are pretty well known for our distrust of nutrient companies like Advanced Nutrients who produce large lines of products (usually with large accompanying price tags) claiming to be a series of “magic bullets” - unlocking the keys to growing success for new and experienced growers alike. One member of the three_little_birds grower’s and breeder’s collective decided to sample one of these products a while back, intending to give the product a fair trial and then report on the results to the community at Cannabis World.

Imagine, if you will, Tweetie bird flying off to the local hydroponics store, purchasing a bottle of the wonder product - “Super Plant Carb!” (not it’s real name) - and then dragging it back to the bird’s nest. With a sense of expectation our lil’ bird opens the lid, hoping to take a peek and a whiff of this new (and expensive) goodie for our wonderful plants. She is greeted with a familiar sweet smell that it takes a moment to place. Then the realization hits her. . .

Molasses! The “Super Plant Carb!” smells just like Blackstrap Molasses. At the thought that she’s just paid something like $15 for a liter of molasses, our Tweetie bird scowls. Surely she tells herself there must be more to this product than just molasses. So she dips a wing into the sweet juice ever so slightly, and brings it up to have a taste.

Much the same way a sneaky Sylvester cat is exposed by a little yellow bird saying - “I thought I saw a puddy tat . . . I did I did see a puddy tat . . . and he’s standing right there!” - our Tweetie bird had discovered the essence of this product. It was indeed nothing more than Blackstrap Molasses, a quick taste had conformed for our Tweetie bird that she had wasted her time and effort lugging home a very expensive bottle of plant food additive. Molasses is something we already use for gardening at the Bird’s Nest. In fact sweeteners like molasses have long been a part of the arsenal of common products used by organic gardeners to bring greater health to their soils and plants.

So please listen to the little yellow bird when she chirps, because our Tweetie bird knows her stuff. The fertilizer companies are like the bumbling Sylvester in many ways, but rather than picturing themselves stuffed with a little bird, they see themselves growing fat with huge profits from the wallets of unsuspecting consumers. Let us assure you it’s not the vision of yellow feathers floating in front of their stuffed mouths that led these executives in their attempt to “pounce” on the plant growing public.

And the repackaging of molasses as plant food or plant additive is not just limited to the companies selling their products in hydroponic stores. Folks shopping at places like Wal-Mart are just as likely to be taken in by this tactic. In this particular case the offending party is Schultz® Garden Safe All Purpose Liquid Plant Food 3-1-5. This is a relatively inexpensive product that seems appealing to a variety of organic gardeners. Here’s Shultz own description of their product.

“Garden Safe Liquid Plant Foods are made from plants in a patented technology that provides plants with essential nutrients for beautiful flowers and foliage and no offensive smell. Plus they improve soils by enhancing natural microbial activity. Great for all vegetables, herbs, flowers, trees, shrubs and houseplants including roses, tomatoes, fruits, and lawns. Derived from completely natural ingredients, Garden Safe All Purpose Liquid Plant Food feeds plants and invigorates soil microbial activity. Made from sugar beet roots! No offensive manure or fish odors.”

That sure sounds good, and the three_little_birds will even go as far as to say we agree 100% with all the claims made in that little blurb of ad copy. But here’s the problem, Shultz isn’t exactly telling the public that the bottle of “fertilizer” they are buying is nothing more than a waste product derived from the production of sugar. In fact, Schultz® Garden Safe 3-1-5 Liquid Plant Food is really and truly nothing more than a form molasses derived from sugar beet processing that is usually used as an animal feed sweetener. If you don’t believe a band of birds, go ahead and look for yourself at the fine print on a Garden Safe bottle where it says - “Contains 3.0% Water Soluble Nitrogen, 1.0% Available Phosphate, 5.0% Soluble Potash - derived from molasses.”

The only problem we see, is that animal feed additives shouldn’t be retailing for $7.95 a quart, and that’s the price Shultz is charging for it’s Garden Safe product. While we don’t find that quite as offensive as Advanced Nutrients selling their “CarboLoad” product for $14.00 a liter, we still know that it’s terribly overpriced for sugar processing wastes. So, just as our band of birds gave the scoop on poop in our Guano Guide, we’re now about to give folks the sweet truth about molasses.

What Is The Story Behind This Sweet Sticky Garden Goodness?

Molasses is a syrupy, thick juice created by the processing of either sugar beets or the sugar cane plant. Depending on the definition used, Sweet Sorghum also qualifies as a molasses, although technically it’s a thickened syrup more akin to Maple Syrup than to molasses. The grade and type of molasses depends on the maturity of the sugar cane or beet and the method of extraction. The different molasses’ have names like: first molasses, second molasses, unsulphured molasses, sulphured molasses, and blackstrap molasses. For gardeners the sweet syrup can work as a carbohydrate source to feed and stimulate microorganisms. And, because molasses (average NPK 1-0-5) contains potash, sulfur, and many trace minerals, it can serve as a nutritious soil amendment. Molasses is also an excellent chelating agent.

Several grades and types of molasses are produced by sugar cane processing. First the plants are harvested and stripped of their leaves, and then the sugar cane is usually crushed or mashed to extract it’s sugary juice. Sugar manufacturing begins by boiling cane juice until it reaches the proper consistency, it is then processed to extract sugar. This first boiling and processing produces what is called first molasses, this has the highest sugar content of the molasses because relatively little sugar has been extracted from the juice. Green (unripe) sugar cane that has been treated with sulphur fumes during sugar extraction produces sulphured molasses. The juice of sun-ripened cane which has been clarified and concentrated produces unsulphured molasses. Another boiling and sugar extraction produces second molasses which has a slight bitter tinge to its taste.

Further rounds of processing and boiling yield dark colored blackstrap molasses, which is the most nutritionally valuable of the various types of molasses. It is commonly used as a sweetner in the manufacture of cattle and other animal feeds, and is even sold as a human health supplement. Any kind of molasses will work to provide benefit for soil and growing plants, but blackstrap molasses is the best choice because it contains the greatest concentration of sulfur, iron and micronutrients from the original cane material. Dry molasses is something different still. It’s not exactly just dried molasses either, it’s molasses sprayed on grain residue which acts as a “carrier”.

Molasses production is a bit different when it comes to the sugar beet. You might say “bird’s know beets” because one of our flock grew up near Canada’s “sugar beet capitol” in Alberta. Their family worked side by side with migrant workers tending the beet fields. The work consisted of weeding and thinning by hand, culling the thinner and weaker plants to leave behind the best beets. After the growing season and several hard frosts - which increase the sugar content - the beets are harvested by machines, piled on trucks and delivered to their destination.

At harvest time, a huge pile of beets will begin to build up outside of the sugar factory that will eventually dwarf the factory itself in size. Gradually throughout the winter the pile will diminish as the whole beets are ground into a mash and then cooked. The cooking serves to reduce and clarify the beet mash, releasing huge columns of stinky (but harmless) beet steam into the air. Sometimes, if the air is cold enough, the steam will fall to the ground around the factory as snow!

As we’ve already learned, in the of sugar cane the consecutive rounds of sugar manufacturing produce first molasses and second molasses. With the humble sugar beet, the intermediate syrups get names like high green and low green, it’s only the syrup left after the final stage of sugar extraction that is called molasses. After final processing, the leftover sugar beet mash is dried then combined with the thick black colored molasses to serve as fodder for cattle. Sugar beet molasses is also used to sweeten feed for horses, sheep, chickens, etc.

Sugar beet molasses is only considered useful as an animal feed additive because it has fairly high concentrations of many salts including calcium, potassium, oxalate, and chloride. Despite the fact that it’s not suitable for human consumption and some consider it to be an industrial waste or industrial by-product, molasses produced from sugar beets makes a wonderful plant fertilizer. While humans may reject beet molasses due to the various “extras” the sugar beet brings to the table, to our plant’s it’s a different story. Sugar beet molasses is usually fairly chemical free as well, at least in our experience. Although farmers generally fertilize their fields in the spring using the various arrays of available fertilizers, weed chemicals (herbicides) are not used for this crop due to the beet plant’s relatively delicate nature.

There is at least one other type of “molasses” we are aware of, and that would be sorghum molasses. It’s made from a plant known as sweet sorghum or sorghum cane in treatments somewhat similar to sugar beets and/or sugar cane processing. If our understanding is correct, sorghum molasses is more correctly called a thickened syrup rather than a by-product of sugar production. So in our eyes sorghum molasses is probably more like Maple Syrup than a true molasses.

In the distant past sorghum syrup was a common locally produced sweetener in many areas, but today it is fairly rare speciality product that could get fairly pricey compared to Molasses. Because sorghum molasses is the final product of sweet sorghum processing, and blackstrap and sugar beet molasses are simply waste by-products of sugar manufacturing, it’s pretty easy to understand the difference in expense between the products. The word from the birds is - there isn’t any apparent advantage to justify the extra expense of using sorghum molasses as a substitute for blackstrap or sugar beet molasses in the garden. So if you find sorghum molasses, instead of using it in your garden, you’ll probably want to use it as an alternate sweetener on some biscuits.

That’s a quick bird’s eye look at the differences between the various types and grades of molasses and how they are produced. Now it’s time to get a peek at the why’s and how’s of using molasses in gardening.


Why Molasses?

The reason nutrient manufacturer’s have “discovered” molasses is the simple fact that it’s a great source of carbohydrates to stimulate the growth of beneficial microorganisms. “Carbohydrate” is really just a fancy word for sugar, and molasses is the best sugar for horticultural use. Folks who have read some of our prior essays know that we are big fans of promoting and nourishing soil life, and that we attribute a good portion of our growing success to the attention we pay to building a thriving “micro-herd” to work in concert with plant roots to digest and assimilate nutrients. We really do buy into the old organic gardening adage - “Feed the soil not the plant.”

Molasses is a good, quick source of energy for the various forms of microbes and soil life in a compost pile or good living soil. As we said earlier, molasses is a carbon source that feeds the beneficial microbes that create greater natural soil fertility. But, if giving a sugar boost was the only goal, there would be lot’s of alternatives. We could even go with the old Milly Blunt story of using Coke on plants as a child, after all Coke would be a great source of sugar to feed microbes and it also contains phosphoric acid to provide phosphorus for strengthening roots and encouraging blooming. In our eyes though, the primary thing that makes molasses the best sugar for agricultural use is it’s trace minerals.

In addition to sugars, molasses contains significant amounts of potash, sulfur, and a variety of micronutrients. Because molasses is derived from plants, and because the manufacturing processes that create it remove mostly sugars, the majority of the mineral nutrients that were contained in the original sugar cane or sugar beet are still present in molasses. This is a critical factor because a balanced supply of mineral nutrients is essential for those “beneficial beasties” to survive and thrive. That’s one of the secrets we’ve discovered to really successful organic gardening, the micronutrients found in organic amendments like molasses, kelp, and alfalfa were all derived from other plant sources and are quickly and easily available to our soil and plants. This is especially important for the soil “micro-herd” of critters who depend on tiny amounts of those trace minerals as catalysts to make the enzymes that create biochemical transformations. That last sentence was our fancy way of saying - it’s actually the critters in “live soil” that break down organic fertilizers and “feed” it to our plants.

One final benefit molasses can provide to your garden is it’s ability to work as a chelating agent. That’s a scientific way of saying that molasses is one of those “magical” substances that can convert some chemical nutrients into a form that’s easily available for critters and plants. Chelated minerals can be absorbed directly and remain available and stable in the soil. Rather than spend a lot of time and effort explaining the relationships between chelates and micronutrients, we are going to quote one of our favorite sources for explaining soil for scientific laymen.

“Micronutrients occur, in cells as well as in soil, as part of large, complex organic molecules in chelated form. The word chelate (pronounced “KEE-late”) comes from the Greek word for “claw,” which indicates how a single nutrient ion is held in the center of the larger molecule. The finely balanced interactions between micronutrients are complex and not fully understood. We do know that balance is crucial; any micronutrient, when present in excessive amounts, will become a poison, and certain poisonous elements, such as chlorine are also essential micronutrients.
For this reason natural, organic sources of micronutrients are the best means of supplying them to the soil; they are present in balanced quantities and not liable to be over applied through error or ignorance. When used in naturally chelated form, excess micronutrients will be locked up and prevented from disrupting soil balance.”
Excerpted from “The Soul of Soil”
by Grace Gershuny and Joe Smillie

That’s not advertising hype either, no product being sold there. That’s just the words of a pair of authors who have spent their lives studying, building, and nurturing soils.

Molasses’ ability to act as a chelate explains it’s presence in organic stimulant products like Earth Juice Catalyst. Chelates are known for their ability to unlock the potential of fertilizers, and some smart biological farmers we know are using chelating agents (like Humic Acid) to allow them to make dramatic cuts in normal levels of fertilizer application.

One way to observe this reaction at work would be to mix up a solution of one part molasses to nine parts water and then soak an object which is coated with iron rust (like a simple nail for instance) in that solution for two weeks. The chelating action of the molasses will remove the mineral elements of the rust and hold them in that “claw shaped” molecule that Grace and Joe just described.

As we’ve commented on elsewhere, it’s not always possible to find good information about the fertilizer benefits of some products that aren’t necessarily produced as plant food. But we’ve also found that by taking a careful look at nutritional information provided for products like molasses that can be consumed by humans, we can get a pretty decent look at the nutrition we can expect a plant to get as well.

There are many brand’s of molasses available, so please do not look at our use of a particular brand as an endorsement, our choice of Brer Rabbit molasses as an example is simply due to our familiarity with the product, one of our Grandmother’s preferred this brand.

Brer Rabbit Blackstrap Molasses
Nutritional Information and Nutrition Facts: Serving Size: 1Tbsp. (21g). Servings per Container: About 24. Amount Per Serving: Calories - 60;
Percentage Daily Values; Fat - 0g, 0%; Sodium - 65mg. 3%; Potassium - 800 mg. 23%; Total Carbohydrates - 13g, 4%; Sugars - 12g, Protein - 1g, Calcium - 2%; Iron 10%; Magnesium 15%; Not a significant source of calories from fat, sat. fat, cholesterol, fiber, Vitamin A, and Vitamin C
 

BCtrippin

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o.k feed a plant the so called best nutes from AN and grow it under a 400w light and then grow the same plant from a cutting, but insted grow it with tomato nutes under a 600w what plant will yeild more?
Thats just stupid... Of coarse a bigger light will yield more, thats totally irrelevant....

Ive said it before Ill say it again. Its the grower that makes the difference, if you know what your feeding your plants you can use whatever you want, But there are no other off the shelf Nute companies with as good a product as AN that you can fine tune to your exact needs.

Like I said before I dont think anyone should use their full line as they recommend, but if you know what you need its a good product. Big bud and Overdrive alone make AN worth it.

Also I dont use tarantula, piranha, or voodoo juice or any of that crap, I dont grow hydro and theres many better alternatives.


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9inch bigbud

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now here is where i would try somthing if i was you although i use somthing similer to tarantula its called Trichoderma (see how close the names are?) it does help protect the crop but you can find it for less $$ than advance nutes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichoderma you only need a small amout once you see roots and this shit will grow with your roots as they grow it helps stop bud rot and root rot in hydro tanks i would recomend giving it a try.

again i did not say AN nutes were crap i said over priced IMHO
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichoderma_harzianum
 

BCtrippin

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now here is where i would try somthing if i was you although i use somthing similer to tarantula its called Trichoderma (see how close the names are?) it does help protect the crop but you can find it for less $$ than advance nutes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichoderma you only need a small amout once you see roots and this shit will grow with your roots as they grow it helps stop bud rot and root rot in hydro tanks i would recomend giving it a try.

again i did not say AN nutes were crap i said over priced IMHO
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichoderma_harzianum
Did you even read the last post? I dont grow hydro. I Dont use Tarantula, piranha, or any of that crap. Its all a waste of money, and in my last post I said there are many better alternatives.

Some of it is overpriced, but anyone buying their full line is a bit, well... :dunce:


That stuff is a Lot different then AN's tarantula too.


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9inch bigbud

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Did you even read the last post? I dont grow hydro. I Dont use Tarantula, piranha, or any of that crap. Its all a waste of money, and in my last post I said there are many better alternatives.

Some of it is overpriced, but anyone buying their full line is a bit, well... :dunce:


That stuff is a Lot different then AN's tarantula too.


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you can use it in soil also. trarantula is very much if not the same as trichoderma. the differance being AN changed it to another name, just like the same the call another carb booster that is infact Molasses see where im getting at? i said i would recomend trichoderma as it does have good benafits in soil and hydro it does make your plants stronger and very hard for fungus or mold, root rot attacking your plants. If you dont want to use it then dont. i agree AN products are a waste of money and if you do some research you will find that most of the magic they sell is infact knocked off from things that have been known to farmers for 100s of years as soil additives all they do is put them in a fancy bottle rename it and sell it for $$$ fact!
 

BCtrippin

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you can use it in soil also. trarantula is very much if not the same as trichoderma. the differance being AN changed it to another name, just like the same the call another carb booster that is infact Molasses see where im getting at? i said i would recomend trichoderma as it does have good benafits in soil and hydro it does make your plants stronger and very hard for fungus or mold, root rot attacking your plants. If you dont want to use it then dont. i agree AN products are a waste of money and if you do some research you will find that most of the magic they sell is infact knocked off from things that have been known to farmers for 100s of years as soil additives all they do is put them in a fancy bottle rename it and sell it for $$$ fact!
Carboload is nothing like molasses. Carboload is just sugars mixed with purified water (my friend worked at the AV factory making it all day). Some people prefer using carboload without all the other stuff molasses has, some people prefer molasses because its cheap.

Read the link you posted about Trichoderma harzianum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichoderma_harzianum

Read the first line.. Trichoderma harzianum is a fungus that is also used as a fungicide....It is also used for manufacturing enzymes.

Nothing about any blends of microorganism colonies...?



AV Tarantula ...Tarantula is a bacterial blend of 57 microorganisms

How are those in any way the same? Maybe I'm missing something here...:sad:


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9inch bigbud

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Carboload is nothing like molasses. Carboload is just sugars mixed with purified water (my friend worked at the AV factory making it all day). Some people prefer using carboload without all the other stuff molasses has, some people prefer molasses because its cheap.

Read the link you posted about Trichoderma harzianum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichoderma_harzianum

Read the first line.. Trichoderma harzianum is a fungus that is also used as a fungicide....It is also used for manufacturing enzymes.

Nothing about any blends of microorganism colonies...?



AV Tarantula ...Tarantula is a bacterial blend of 57 microorganisms

How are those in any way the same? Maybe I'm missing something here...:sad:


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This pure, water-soluble powder contains a high concentration of the Trichoderma harzianum fungus. It stimulates the growth and root development of young plants and cuttings. It suppresses undesirable micro-organisms and therefore has a positive influence on the balance between soil organisms and micro-organisms. As a result of this, the use of crop protection chemicals is no longer necessary.

Apply before or during the sowing, the re-potting or the sticking of cuttings.

The earth is inhabited by thousands of different varieties of the TRICHODERMA mould. TRICHODERMA harzianum (Tri002/3) is the only variety that has a scientifically-proven stimulating and resistance-increasing effect on the root environment and the chitinase production of the plant resulting in a better root development, more root hairs and increased excretion of enzymes and hormones. As a result the plant gains more vitality and develops much better.

TRI 002: These granules have a positive effect on the production and the growth of the plant because they colonise the mould around the root system. They must be mixed with soil and provide for a strong and balanced growth of the mould. As a result of this, the development of other negative moulds and micro-organisms is greatly reduced.

Visible results of this product are the increased vitality of the plant and that the roots are more developed. TRI 003 is a pure, water-soluble powder that facilitates the growth in young plants as well as in its cuttings and its roots. It suppresses micro-organisms and therefore has a positive effect on the balance between soil organisms. TRICHODERMA can be used with all growing systems.


AN have got to make it sound better than what it actually is by adding more shit that is not scientifically-proven to be benifical to plants .

read the long post about molasses where tweety bird done a test. that test is well know in the world of cannabis growers and pops up on most forums from time to time. you could call it part of the cannabis grow bible its used that offten.

AV Tarantula ...Tarantula is a bacterial blend of 57 microorganisms



How are those in any way the same? Maybe I'm missing something here
sounds very much the same to me its just AN hype it up more than its worth.

http://www.advancednutrients.com/landing_pages/tarantula_landing.html
 

FLoJo

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i have used carbo load in hydro and without it and i really dont think its worth it.. in fact i dont think that adding sugar whether it be carbo load or molasses increases bud size.. and if it does it is negligable
 

BCtrippin

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Do you not understand the difference between fungus and micro colonies? Tarantula is more like the GH sub culture. Theres no fungus or enzymes in Tarantula, You would use your Fungus or enzymes to FEED the microorganisms that are in tarantula.

Its not hype. The micro colonies in Tarantula are the same types of beneficial microbes found in healthy organic soils. Its not hype man...look it up, do some Research. Theres a lot of science that goes into making AN products, its not just some crap in a bottle.


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BCtrippin

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i have used carbo load in hydro and without it and i really dont think its worth it.. in fact i dont think that adding sugar whether it be carbo load or molasses increases bud size.. and if it does it is negligable
Its not for your buds, Its more for the microorganisms that are in your soil. Molasses and carboload do a great job of giving those organisms something to feed on, and they also help increase the uptake of nutrients. Unless your running Microorganism colonies in your hydro set up you dont really need either of them.


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FLoJo

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Its not for your buds, Its more for the microorganisms that are in your soil. Molasses and carboload do a great job of giving those organisms something to feed on, and they also help increase the uptake of nutrients. Unless your running Microorganism colonies in your hydro set up you dont really need either of them.


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exactly.

so many people on this forum for some reason are under the impression that molasses or sugars increases your yield.. i donno why there is so much disinfo on this site.

but i agree with you for the most part bc, AN does have a high quality product that is no doubt but they make money by taking a high quality product, and splitting it into a million pieces and selling it at a higher price.. i think anyone that would use their full line is retarted, and i also think that their base ferts are no better than anyone elses.. i do however believe that the key additives that they make in order are

big bud
overdrive
white shark
b52

the rest is more or less more of the same IMO
 

BCtrippin

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exactly.

so many people on this forum for some reason are under the impression that molasses or sugars increases your yield.. i donno why there is so much disinfo on this site.

but i agree with you for the most part bc, AN does have a high quality product that is no doubt but they make money by taking a high quality product, and splitting it into a million pieces and selling it at a higher price.. i think anyone that would use their full line is retarted, and i also think that their base ferts are no better than anyone elses.. i do however believe that the key additives that they make in order are

big bud
overdrive
white shark
b52

the rest is more or less more of the same IMO
Yeah, people see molasses and "big yields" so they assume the molasses fattens the buds and it just goes form there. I see molasses pop up on this site WAY to much with Way too many different answers. So many people uise it and Preach its greatness and they dont even know What its for. :lol:

I think the AN standard 3 part (grow micro bloom) is pretty much the same as whats out there, maybe a little more up to date. I love their Sensi 2 part Bloom though. They adopted the advantages of the Lucas Formula and basically made it better, easier to adjust.

They do break down a Lot of products and sell them under 3-4 different brands though, that part of it is Good and Bad, Its good because it gives you the option to pick and choose Exactly what you need, But it can be annoying when you can buy the Full GH subculture for 1/4 of the price of AN.

Big bud and Overdrive are Liquid Gold though. I havent found Anything that can even come Close to the results that Big bud and Overdrive can provide with any base nutes.


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FLoJo

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i have heard home and gardens bloom stimulator i think its like max bud or something is pretty damn good too
 
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